Picking at the Bone of "Skinny" Judgment
Spreyton22K
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This issue has been on my mind for some time now......
In fact looking thru' the search options I can see that this issue/attitude rears its ugly head with monotonous regularity.....however, I feel that, seeing this being attitude well and truly alive on recent threads maybe repetition will soften some members views as time goes on and help temper their comments.
We Humans are often our most harshest taskmasters in the pursuit of 'bodily perfection'..... Sadly, it is my observations we are entrenched in an era where designers are seeking out sentient 'clothes hangers'.....that possess rare and unique body structure).
Or our idea of perfection is determined by the number on the label. Emulating this message can harm your psyche and physical health...... often leading the descending into complex reactions; ie. fad diets, Anorexia etc......as we strive for the manufactured 'perfect bodies'. Insecurity about our body image when we focus on this and this alone thus preventing us from enjoying ALL the beauty of life
I am finding that body insecurity is not just the burden of the young......
Over the time and I have been around the Sun a few times......not that long ago my highest weight was 238 lbs.....now I am REALLY struggling to maintain a weight of 105 pounds and at 5' 5" I am underweight, and my Docs are VERY worried.....My story has the complications of illness, but despite aggressive treatment life is going down hill.
I do not need to have that pointed out to me!!! My decline is obvious and horrible, despite careful upping calories and monitoring Macros with MFP. Now friends view this weight loss is deliberate and then follows the comments about Anorexia....I would like to point out that NO-One said a damn weight based comment when I was obese.
In last 4 days - I have had my body shape has been called "Skeletor, 'A shadow of myself" and emaciated - anyone with compassion can appreciate this a real blow to myself esteem. Opinions and sexual preferences discussed in private are one thing .....publicly these comments saying a size 0-2, slight framed and thin, as the the equivilent of Ew....is a written version of the unsolicited crap I am dealing with everyday.
I know no-one can make your self-esteem plummet but these jibes do hurt and undermine others confidence. Remember......making yourself feel justified for your body type does not mean those like those that me wear size 0 - 2 like me are now fair game for saying what is a derogatory comment.....
Surely the time is well overdue to challenge size the belief that a number on a scale or the size tag on your back is an accurate indication of worthiness as a human being.
Cheers and Thanks to those who have taken the time to read this.
K
In fact looking thru' the search options I can see that this issue/attitude rears its ugly head with monotonous regularity.....however, I feel that, seeing this being attitude well and truly alive on recent threads maybe repetition will soften some members views as time goes on and help temper their comments.
We Humans are often our most harshest taskmasters in the pursuit of 'bodily perfection'..... Sadly, it is my observations we are entrenched in an era where designers are seeking out sentient 'clothes hangers'.....that possess rare and unique body structure).
Or our idea of perfection is determined by the number on the label. Emulating this message can harm your psyche and physical health...... often leading the descending into complex reactions; ie. fad diets, Anorexia etc......as we strive for the manufactured 'perfect bodies'. Insecurity about our body image when we focus on this and this alone thus preventing us from enjoying ALL the beauty of life
I am finding that body insecurity is not just the burden of the young......
Over the time and I have been around the Sun a few times......not that long ago my highest weight was 238 lbs.....now I am REALLY struggling to maintain a weight of 105 pounds and at 5' 5" I am underweight, and my Docs are VERY worried.....My story has the complications of illness, but despite aggressive treatment life is going down hill.
I do not need to have that pointed out to me!!! My decline is obvious and horrible, despite careful upping calories and monitoring Macros with MFP. Now friends view this weight loss is deliberate and then follows the comments about Anorexia....I would like to point out that NO-One said a damn weight based comment when I was obese.
In last 4 days - I have had my body shape has been called "Skeletor, 'A shadow of myself" and emaciated - anyone with compassion can appreciate this a real blow to myself esteem. Opinions and sexual preferences discussed in private are one thing .....publicly these comments saying a size 0-2, slight framed and thin, as the the equivilent of Ew....is a written version of the unsolicited crap I am dealing with everyday.
I know no-one can make your self-esteem plummet but these jibes do hurt and undermine others confidence. Remember......making yourself feel justified for your body type does not mean those like those that me wear size 0 - 2 like me are now fair game for saying what is a derogatory comment.....
Surely the time is well overdue to challenge size the belief that a number on a scale or the size tag on your back is an accurate indication of worthiness as a human being.
Cheers and Thanks to those who have taken the time to read this.
K
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Skinny judgment yes is alive and well. Despite the growing waistline of the world, in most countries, especially western ones, some form of thin/skinny/lean is the ideal.
And as such people who have felt out of line with that ideal, ridiculed for it, many having longed for it, but seldom if ever grasping it, bitterness, envy, hurt arise.
A lot of fat people, being the more oppressed body type, feel comfortable shaming thin people. At the heart of the issues too many don't think it's really all that possible to hurt a thin person. When they have something you really want, whether you admit it or not, surely a skinny person can't truly be shamed about their seemingly envious state.
It's unfortunate, because one doesn't have to be fat to have body image issues. And skinny shaming shouldn't be acceptable just because fat shaming is so prevalent.
We could all do well to remember that everyone is on a road, and nobody truly knows what's going on with somebody else's journey.0 -
Thank you, I wish you well.0
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I do feel very sorry for people who are very slim. I have a friend who also gets called "skeletor" or get shouted at to "eat some burgers". It's not her fault, she is just built that way. For her to gain weight takes much more effort than it takes me to lose it for sure. It's such a shame because she's a lovely person and these type of comments are very hurtful to her.
Also I think a lot of thin people get no sympathy for these types of comments. If someone in the street called me "a massive fatty" everyone I know would be totally outraged, but somehow the "thin shaming" comments just slip by unnoticed, as if the people saying them are correct in their assessment.
I think comments about people's appearance are totally unwarranted (unless the person involved specifically asked for an opinion) because aside from the fact it's no one else's business, NO-ONE is perfect and people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.0 -
The problem is that everyone wants to feel good about themselves, and as we all come in various shapes and sizes there is no universal way of doing this.
Lots of people do resort to trying to pull others down to make themselves feel better, it's not just, but it happens in life. I have two mechanism of dealing with this. Firstly I don't deliberately expose myself to it - for instance I've recently had a facebook clear out, now all those people who post daily photos of very overweight women with those silly captions (you know the ones - only dogs go for bones/no one likes to snuggle a stick/real men like curves etc) aren't featuring on my news feed so I don't have to look at that drivel every day. My second way of dealing with it is just to rise above it. There have been times I've wanted to respond with an equally inappropriate comment about the person who's commented, but I refuse point blank to be pulled down to that level. I have occasionally responded with a "is that comment a veiled way of asking me to make an equally inappropriate comment about your weight? Because if it is I'm happy to oblige." I will say that has never failed to shut the other person up, although I don't like resorting to it.
You have to remember that when people offer unsolicited advice, or make inappropriate comments, it's more of a reflection of them and their own set of issues/insecurities than is it about you. Try not to take it personally, although I appreciated when it's constantly rammed down your neck it gets tiresome.
As for perceived attractiveness, well we are all drawn to different qualities and put emphasis on different attributes. It's what makes the world go round. No one person can decide whether someone is attractive or not, it's all a matter of taste and perspective.0 -
I'm sorry you have to go through that.
It's wrong.0 -
I admit it--I sometimes find myself being judgmental of super skinny girls. Mostly, it's models who have probably been photoshopped until their legs look like little more than skin-over-bone. Sometimes, though, it's girls I see out in the world. I see a very thin girl with the "thigh gap" that so many seem to want to have, and I think that it just looks unnatural.
And I know that that's wrong. I have no idea what their lives are like. Maybe they're just naturally willowy, and they eat like crazy without gaining, and I'm sitting over here munching on sour grapes because I wish to god I still had that freedom. Maybe they DO have an eating disorder, in which case I'm judging them harshly for having a legitimate disease. (And coming from someone who has an invisible illness, that's just terrible.) Maybe they've worked incredibly hard to try to live up to a beauty standard that is force-fed to them literally every. single. day. In which case, it isn't them I should be judging, it's the society that actively works to make women feel terrible about themselves so that someone can make a fortune off of our insecurities.
I also fat-judge. I see overweight people in the store, or in a restaurant, and I can't help it. I think to myself, "Maybe you shouldn't eat at McDonald's so much," or "That person is so fat they can barely get onto that bus," and I immediately think of them as binge-eaters, as lazy, as not caring about their health. And that isn't fair, either. Because I have no idea what their lives are like. Maybe that person in McDs is on a healthy diet-and-exercise regime, and they allow themselves one McDonald's meal on cheat day--Which is totally legit. Maybe that person has a medical condition and has battled their weight their entire lives. Maybe that person used to be anorexic, and is overcompensating. Maybe their whole world came crashing down around them, and the only thing they could count on was food. (I call this "eating my feelings.")
It isn't right. But it's human. We all make these spot-judgments on people based on their appearance. It can be weight, hairstyle, clothing, ethnicity, body modifications, whatever. I don't think any of us mean any harm, it's mostly societal conditioning, and I think a significant portion of the population is fighting against it actively in their own lives.
But it's also natural that we put others down to feel better about ourselves. It isn't right, but sometimes we can't help it. It just happens before we can stop it. I think people mistake "being an *kitten*" for "being self-righteous about your own ideal" There is absolutely nothing wrong in thinking that whatever your natural body type is is best FOR YOU. It is wrong to project that image of idealism onto anyone else.
I apologize for my body-shaming. I apologize to you, a thin woman who struggles to be healthy. I apologize to the bigger people, who are struggling to be healthy. And I apologize to myself, because I am also struggling to be healthy, and body-shame myself constantly.
I am actively trying to stop making these judgments. I may never succeed. I feel guilty when I fail, and apologize when I hurt someone. But I am trying.0 -
I'm sorry you have to go through that.
It's wrong.
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I agree with this post.
I would not consider myself "skinny" at all, however the casual remarks by friends and coworkers about being scrawny, skinny--"do you even eat?" really bug me. Even on MFP, the "skinny-fat" comments are rampant by a select group of people.
I work very hard to stay lean and fit. Yes, I do a bunch of cardio. Yes, I do resistance training because I'm at an age where muscle density is an issue. I don't lift heavy. I *might* be skinny fat according to some folks definition. I have ab definition, long lean legs, and not bad biceps. My muscle mass is not being consumed by my body every time I cycle for an hour.
But wow, to hear the shaming in these forums you would think I had some kind of disorder.0 -
Thank you to everyone who shared their thoughts on this post.
Due to time differences I haven't seen them till this morning and they were a wonderful heart warming way to start the day.0
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