How many calories should I be eating to lose weight?

To lose 8 pounds in one month, I need to burn 28,000 calories. I will be walking daily burning a minimum of 100 calories per day. I also need to account what I will burn without exercise. So I calculated my BMR:

BMR: 655 + (4.35 × weight) + (4.7 × height) – (4.7 × age)

655 + (4.35 x 138) + (4.7 x 62.75) - (4.7 x 37)

655 + (600.3) + (294.925) - (173.9)

1376.325

Without exercise, I will burn 41,289.75 in one month + 3,000 calories minimum (100 x 30) through exercise. So I will burn 44,289.75 in one month. How many calories should I eat per day?

BTW: I am a female 37 years old, 5'2.75" in height, 138 pounds in weight.

Replies

  • SugaryLynx
    SugaryLynx Posts: 2,640 Member
    A lot of times, the math will be off. There's many factors for that, you will have to see what works best for you. I will say, however, that 2 lbs a week is too aggressive given your goal. The idea is the less you have to lose, the less aggressive you want to take weight loss, as a more aggressive deficit could lead to muscle loss, as with less fat, the body is more likely to jeopardize muscle instead of taking fat. Muscle is what will help you looking leaner at goal. I would suggest aiming for .5-1 lb loss a week, focus more on measurements and the mirror. Make sure you're getting a good amount of protein (typically 1g per pound of lean body mass) and take it slow. This is a great read too

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1080242-a-guide-to-get-you-started-on-your-path-to-sexypants
  • AJ_G
    AJ_G Posts: 4,158 Member
    I got 1280 for your BMR based on the info you gave. In order to find your TDEE(total calories you burn every day), you have to choose an activity multiplier from the list below to multiply your BMR by to get your TDEE. Once you do that, just subtract 20% from your TDEE and that's a good calorie goal to go by.

    1.2 = Sedentary (Desk job, & Little Formal Exercise)
    1.3-1.4 = Lightly Active (Light daily activity & light exercise 1-3 days a week)
    1.5-1.6 = Moderately Active (Moderately daily Activity & Moderate exercise 3-5 days a week)
    1.7-1.8 = Very Active (Physically demanding lifestyle & Hard exercise 6-7 days a week)
    1.9-2.2 = Extremely Active (Athlete in ENDURANCE training or VERY HARD physical job)
  • this information is awesome. last year I used this app and lost 43 pounds but ended up gaining it all back. I have not been eating and just gained weight. I have considered gastric bypass, but was told that I am not fat enough. I will use your calculations while considering meals. my ex boyfriend, Leon W. is a personal trainer and has a near perfect body. he has introduced me to Mothers Apple Cider Vinegar, but that has not helped me what so ever. I just dont understand my metabolism...I am frustrated. I am walking 30 minutes twice per week. I am not motivated to go to the gym...to many skinny girls with hardly nothing on distracting me and making me sad I have gotten so fat. my goal is 2 lbs per week to start...wish me luck
  • MrTolerable
    MrTolerable Posts: 1,593 Member
    this information is awesome. last year I used this app and lost 43 pounds but ended up gaining it all back. I have not been eating and just gained weight. I have considered gastric bypass, but was told that I am not fat enough. I will use your calculations while considering meals. my ex boyfriend, Leon W. is a personal trainer and has a near perfect body. he has introduced me to Mothers Apple Cider Vinegar, but that has not helped me what so ever. I just dont understand my metabolism...I am frustrated. I am walking 30 minutes twice per week. I am not motivated to go to the gym...to many skinny girls with hardly nothing on distracting me and making me sad I have gotten so fat. my goal is 2 lbs per week to start...wish me luck

    Mothers Apple Cider Vinegar does wonders with me. How much are you consuming daily? Great way to increase your BMR.
  • SugaryLynx
    SugaryLynx Posts: 2,640 Member
    this information is awesome. last year I used this app and lost 43 pounds but ended up gaining it all back. I have not been eating and just gained weight. I have considered gastric bypass, but was told that I am not fat enough. I will use your calculations while considering meals. my ex boyfriend, Leon W. is a personal trainer and has a near perfect body. he has introduced me to Mothers Apple Cider Vinegar, but that has not helped me what so ever. I just dont understand my metabolism...I am frustrated. I am walking 30 minutes twice per week. I am not motivated to go to the gym...to many skinny girls with hardly nothing on distracting me and making me sad I have gotten so fat. my goal is 2 lbs per week to start...wish me luck

    Mothers Apple Cider Vinegar does wonders with me. How much are you consuming daily? Great way to increase your BMR.

    Oh Deadpool, I shake my head at you. Wut?
  • AJ_G
    AJ_G Posts: 4,158 Member
    this information is awesome. last year I used this app and lost 43 pounds but ended up gaining it all back. I have not been eating and just gained weight. I have considered gastric bypass, but was told that I am not fat enough. I will use your calculations while considering meals. my ex boyfriend, Leon W. is a personal trainer and has a near perfect body. he has introduced me to Mothers Apple Cider Vinegar, but that has not helped me what so ever. I just dont understand my metabolism...I am frustrated. I am walking 30 minutes twice per week. I am not motivated to go to the gym...to many skinny girls with hardly nothing on distracting me and making me sad I have gotten so fat. my goal is 2 lbs per week to start...wish me luck

    Mothers Apple Cider Vinegar does wonders with me. How much are you consuming daily? Great way to increase your BMR.

    Oh Deadpool, I shake my head at you. Wut?

    I second this. What are you talking about dude...
  • MrTolerable
    MrTolerable Posts: 1,593 Member
    this information is awesome. last year I used this app and lost 43 pounds but ended up gaining it all back. I have not been eating and just gained weight. I have considered gastric bypass, but was told that I am not fat enough. I will use your calculations while considering meals. my ex boyfriend, Leon W. is a personal trainer and has a near perfect body. he has introduced me to Mothers Apple Cider Vinegar, but that has not helped me what so ever. I just dont understand my metabolism...I am frustrated. I am walking 30 minutes twice per week. I am not motivated to go to the gym...to many skinny girls with hardly nothing on distracting me and making me sad I have gotten so fat. my goal is 2 lbs per week to start...wish me luck

    Mothers Apple Cider Vinegar does wonders with me. How much are you consuming daily? Great way to increase your BMR.

    Oh Deadpool, I shake my head at you. Wut?

    I second this. What are you talking about dude...

    yeah unfiltered... not the cheap stuff.. def helps digest food and increase metabolism. There are def other threads on this.
  • Ang108
    Ang108 Posts: 1,711 Member
    Your BMR is way off. I am almost twice as old as you and three inches shorter ( under five feet ) and my BMR is twice your's.
    You might want to calculate a correct BMR and from there do the math again.
  • AJ_G
    AJ_G Posts: 4,158 Member
    this information is awesome. last year I used this app and lost 43 pounds but ended up gaining it all back. I have not been eating and just gained weight. I have considered gastric bypass, but was told that I am not fat enough. I will use your calculations while considering meals. my ex boyfriend, Leon W. is a personal trainer and has a near perfect body. he has introduced me to Mothers Apple Cider Vinegar, but that has not helped me what so ever. I just dont understand my metabolism...I am frustrated. I am walking 30 minutes twice per week. I am not motivated to go to the gym...to many skinny girls with hardly nothing on distracting me and making me sad I have gotten so fat. my goal is 2 lbs per week to start...wish me luck

    Mothers Apple Cider Vinegar does wonders with me. How much are you consuming daily? Great way to increase your BMR.

    Oh Deadpool, I shake my head at you. Wut?

    I second this. What are you talking about dude...

    yeah unfiltered... not the cheap stuff.. def helps digest food and increase metabolism. There are def other threads on this.

    Oh well if there are other threads on this then it must be true...lol. Apple cider vinegar, filtered or unfiltered does not increase your metabolic rate. Speed of digestion has absolutely nothing to do with metabolic rate. There is absolutely no science behind that. You have been duped...
  • MrTolerable
    MrTolerable Posts: 1,593 Member
    this information is awesome. last year I used this app and lost 43 pounds but ended up gaining it all back. I have not been eating and just gained weight. I have considered gastric bypass, but was told that I am not fat enough. I will use your calculations while considering meals. my ex boyfriend, Leon W. is a personal trainer and has a near perfect body. he has introduced me to Mothers Apple Cider Vinegar, but that has not helped me what so ever. I just dont understand my metabolism...I am frustrated. I am walking 30 minutes twice per week. I am not motivated to go to the gym...to many skinny girls with hardly nothing on distracting me and making me sad I have gotten so fat. my goal is 2 lbs per week to start...wish me luck

    Mothers Apple Cider Vinegar does wonders with me. How much are you consuming daily? Great way to increase your BMR.

    Oh Deadpool, I shake my head at you. Wut?

    I second this. What are you talking about dude...

    yeah unfiltered... not the cheap stuff.. def helps digest food and increase metabolism. There are def other threads on this.

    Oh well if there are other threads on this then it must be true...lol. Apple cider vinegar, filtered or unfiltered does not increase your metabolic rate. Speed of digestion has absolutely nothing to do with metabolic rate. There is absolutely no science behind that. You have been duped...

    I didn't want to troll her thread discussing this. And its much more than just "speed of digestion". ..it provides your body a major energy boost that when coupled with your exercise after it, you perform better and get better results.. its a significant boost, I'd say almost as equivalent to a b12 shot.

    #thinkcriticallyanddosomeresearchbeforeyoucomeatmebrahandIcan'tbelieveyourreadingthislong
    hardtounderstandmessage
    sucka
  • AJ_G
    AJ_G Posts: 4,158 Member
    Oh well if there are other threads on this then it must be true...lol. Apple cider vinegar, filtered or unfiltered does not increase your metabolic rate. Speed of digestion has absolutely nothing to do with metabolic rate. There is absolutely no science behind that. You have been duped...

    I didn't want to troll her thread discussing this. And its much more than just "speed of digestion". ..it provides your body a major energy boost that when coupled with your exercise after it, you perform better and get better results.. its a significant boost, I'd say almost as equivalent to a b12 shot.

    Do you have any science at all to back that up?
  • LazyBearGrrr
    LazyBearGrrr Posts: 35 Member
    I'm just curious...

    MFP has a built in Calculator that will do all the math for you. Why not use that? It will tell you exactly how much to eat in order to lose eight pounds in one month.
  • skinny_baby
    skinny_baby Posts: 29 Member
    I am not asking about the Apple Cider Vinegar...please read the original question....!
  • MrTolerable
    MrTolerable Posts: 1,593 Member
    Oh well if there are other threads on this then it must be true...lol. Apple cider vinegar, filtered or unfiltered does not increase your metabolic rate. Speed of digestion has absolutely nothing to do with metabolic rate. There is absolutely no science behind that. You have been duped...

    I didn't want to troll her thread discussing this. And its much more than just "speed of digestion". ..it provides your body a major energy boost that when coupled with your exercise after it, you perform better and get better results.. its a significant boost, I'd say almost as equivalent to a b12 shot.

    Do you have any science at all to back that up?

    *Looks down at abs that would qualify me to model for michelangelo's david*

    :smokin:

    I could find all the articles I spent hours reading before deciding to add this into my daily diet....OR I could say.. do your own research... perhaps its odd to take it in your part of the world, but just mentioned this to my doctor last friday and she not only said go for it - SHE take it. ..insane amount of health benefits, on top of just helping with fat loss.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    Your BMR is way off. I am almost twice as old as you and three inches shorter ( under five feet ) and my BMR is twice your's.
    You might want to calculate a correct BMR and from there do the math again.

    Her calculation comes to 1376.
  • LazyBearGrrr
    LazyBearGrrr Posts: 35 Member
    *edit: it looks like you were talking about the ACV comments. Never mind.

    I did. I must have missed something. It seems that everything you ask for would be accounted for in their calculator. *shrug* I was just curious. Perhaps it will just have to remain a mystery to me.
    Please read the original question....!
  • AJ_G
    AJ_G Posts: 4,158 Member
    Oh well if there are other threads on this then it must be true...lol. Apple cider vinegar, filtered or unfiltered does not increase your metabolic rate. Speed of digestion has absolutely nothing to do with metabolic rate. There is absolutely no science behind that. You have been duped...

    I didn't want to troll her thread discussing this. And its much more than just "speed of digestion". ..it provides your body a major energy boost that when coupled with your exercise after it, you perform better and get better results.. its a significant boost, I'd say almost as equivalent to a b12 shot.

    Do you have any science at all to back that up?

    *Looks down at abs that would qualify me to model for michelangelo's david*

    :smokin:

    I could find all the articles I spent hours reading before deciding to add this into my daily diet....OR I could say.. do your own research... perhaps its odd to take it in your part of the world, but just mentioned this to my doctor last friday and she not only said go for it - SHE take it. ..insane amount of health benefits, on top of just helping with fat loss.

    Hahaha, so you're one of those. "I'm in good shape now so everything I did helped me". Also, if YOU make a claim like "Apple cider vinegar increases metabolic rate" and your claim is challenged, the burden of proof is on you to prove that claim with evidence. Just that fact that you won't link me to a single scientific study on the affects of apple cider vinegar on metabolic rate shows me that you don't have any. Also, articles mean absolutely nothing if they don't cite a scientific study. Furthermore, doctors are notorious for not knowing what their talking about when it comes to nutrition. Oh and don't flatter yourself, you're very lean but you don't have very much muscle on you...
  • skinny_baby
    skinny_baby Posts: 29 Member
    I am not referring to you leosrain.
  • AJ_G
    AJ_G Posts: 4,158 Member
    I am not referring to you leosrain.

    Your original question was already answered. Multiply your BMR by the appropriate activity multiplier from the list I supplied above. Then subtract 20% from that number to give you a calorie goal for weight loss.
  • MrTolerable
    MrTolerable Posts: 1,593 Member
    Oh well if there are other threads on this then it must be true...lol. Apple cider vinegar, filtered or unfiltered does not increase your metabolic rate. Speed of digestion has absolutely nothing to do with metabolic rate. There is absolutely no science behind that. You have been duped...

    I didn't want to troll her thread discussing this. And its much more than just "speed of digestion". ..it provides your body a major energy boost that when coupled with your exercise after it, you perform better and get better results.. its a significant boost, I'd say almost as equivalent to a b12 shot.

    Do you have any science at all to back that up?

    *Looks down at abs that would qualify me to model for michelangelo's david*

    :smokin:

    I could find all the articles I spent hours reading before deciding to add this into my daily diet....OR I could say.. do your own research... perhaps its odd to take it in your part of the world, but just mentioned this to my doctor last friday and she not only said go for it - SHE take it. ..insane amount of health benefits, on top of just helping with fat loss.

    Hahaha, so you're one of those. "I'm in good shape now so everything I did helped me". Also, if YOU make a claim like "Apple cider vinegar increases metabolic rate" and your claim is challenged, the burden of proof is on you to prove that claim with evidence. Just that fact that you won't link me to a single scientific study on the affects of apple cider vinegar on metabolic rate shows me that you don't have any. Also, articles mean absolutely nothing if they don't cite a scientific study. Furthermore, doctors are notorious for not knowing what their talking about when it comes to nutrition. Oh and don't flatter yourself, you're very lean but you don't have very much muscle on you...

    one study.

    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/06/02/apple-cider-vinegar-hype.aspx

    "A follow-up study geared at testing vinegar's long-term effects yielded an unexpected but pleasant side effect: moderate weight loss. In this study, participants taking two tablespoons of vinegar prior to two meals per day lost an average of two pounds over the four-week period, and some lost up to four pounds."
  • MrTolerable
    MrTolerable Posts: 1,593 Member
    Here is another... ya butt.

    "For thousands of years, vinegar has been used for weight loss. White vinegar (and perhaps other types) might help people feel full. A study (Ostman, E. European Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 2005) of 12 people found that those who ate a piece of bread along with small amounts of vinegar felt fuller and more satisfied than those who just ate the bread. A 2009 study on mice showed that consuming acetic acid (the active component in ACV), upregulates the expression of genes for fatty acid oxidation enzymes in the liver causing a suppression in body fat accumulation. In a double-blind experiment, obese Japanese were assigned to three different groups based on similar body weights, body mass indexes (BMI), and waist circumference. Each group drank a 500 ml drink containing either 30ml, 15ml, or 0ml of vinegar daily for 12 weeks. Those in the 30ml and 15ml groups had lower BMI, visceral fat area, waist circumference, serum triglyceride, and body weight to the control group of 0ml. The 12-week weight losses were modest: 1.2kg in the 15ml group and 1.7kg in the 30ml group. These two groups consumed a similar number of calories to the control group and also performed a similar amount of exercise, so the effect is not likely to have been due to an impact on appetite or other lifestyle changes. It was concluded that consumption of vinegar might reduce obesity.

    Apple cider vinegar is chosen over white vinegar for many processes involving the elimination of fungus. Although they both have highly acidic properties; apple cider also contains detoxifying qualities that will clear up other skin allergies. No side effects have been found when treating the skin with apple cider vinegar, making it a cost effective and safe remedy. "

    https://www.worldhealth.net/forum/thread/99224/is-apple-cider-vinegar-that-powerful-of/?page=1
  • LazyBearGrrr
    LazyBearGrrr Posts: 35 Member
    I think the typical calculation for TDEE is BMR times 1.2 if you're sedentary. This would be 1651.

    To lose two pounds a week (eight pounds in one month), you need to eat at a deficit of 1000 calories per day.

    This is 651 calories a day. And this is a net calorie amount. Meaning, you'd track your exercise and eat those calories back. I would recommending setting your diary to sedentary and then tracking all calories burned through exercise as the day goes by, this allows you to adjust your eating to daily changes in activities. Even better, wearing a fitbit or similar device helps as it will accurately and automatically adjust your calorie needs to your daily activity level.

    However, 651 calories is neither healthy, sustainable, or even tolerable.

    But seriously...if you plug your height, weight, age, and weight loss goal into MFP, it will tell you this. Is there something different you were looking for?
  • AJ_G
    AJ_G Posts: 4,158 Member
    Here is another... ya butt.

    "For thousands of years, vinegar has been used for weight loss. White vinegar (and perhaps other types) might help people feel full. A study (Ostman, E. European Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 2005) of 12 people found that those who ate a piece of bread along with small amounts of vinegar felt fuller and more satisfied than those who just ate the bread. A 2009 study on mice showed that consuming acetic acid (the active component in ACV), upregulates the expression of genes for fatty acid oxidation enzymes in the liver causing a suppression in body fat accumulation. In a double-blind experiment, obese Japanese were assigned to three different groups based on similar body weights, body mass indexes (BMI), and waist circumference. Each group drank a 500 ml drink containing either 30ml, 15ml, or 0ml of vinegar daily for 12 weeks. Those in the 30ml and 15ml groups had lower BMI, visceral fat area, waist circumference, serum triglyceride, and body weight to the control group of 0ml. The 12-week weight losses were modest: 1.2kg in the 15ml group and 1.7kg in the 30ml group. These two groups consumed a similar number of calories to the control group and also performed a similar amount of exercise, so the effect is not likely to have been due to an impact on appetite or other lifestyle changes. It was concluded that consumption of vinegar might reduce obesity.

    Apple cider vinegar is chosen over white vinegar for many processes involving the elimination of fungus. Although they both have highly acidic properties; apple cider also contains detoxifying qualities that will clear up other skin allergies. No side effects have been found when treating the skin with apple cider vinegar, making it a cost effective and safe remedy. "

    https://www.worldhealth.net/forum/thread/99224/is-apple-cider-vinegar-that-powerful-of/?page=1

    The first article you linked on was a study about diabetics in which the rules of weight loss are different. Also it does not talk at all about calorie control, and it does not test a vinegar group against a non vinegar group where both groups are of the same size, weight, and body composition. There are waaaay too many variables to isolate the vinegar as the cause of the weight loss.

    Same goes for the second study. It doesn't list anything about variable control: daily water intake, daily calorie intake, similar size, weight, composition of test subjects. Please link me to an actual published study on this, not a bunch of articles and forum posts discussing "studies" without linking to anything...
  • skinny_baby
    skinny_baby Posts: 29 Member
    Leosrain, would you say I am lightly active or active? I typically walk for an hour a day 7 days a week burning about 230 calories. Some days I walk for 30 minutes burning minimum 100 calories. I used the latter in my calculation. And thanks for MFP calculation. I had already gone to it when I wasn't getting direct answer to my question.

    I didn't follow AJ_G's recommendation because I had lost pounds in the first trial last year while eating 1200 calories daily. I got saggy body parts due to that. So I know I need to up my calorie intake. I was looking out for a number which took everything into account. So do you say I am lightly active or active?

    I am going to go to MFP recommendation. So much to the Community support! I have got too many answers from folks who must have failed their English classes in High School. Because they are not comprehending what is asked.
  • SugaryLynx
    SugaryLynx Posts: 2,640 Member
    AJ_G was saying that was your BMR not your TDEE. BMR is the bare minimum calories if your were in a coma. So, you obviously wouldn't want to eat that little. I would listen to him over someone claiming apple cider vinegar is the magical BMR changer. This link should help too

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1080242-a-guide-to-get-you-started-on-your-path-to-sexypants
  • LazyBearGrrr
    LazyBearGrrr Posts: 35 Member
    I'll maintain my advice of setting MFP to sedentary and then manually entering your exercise when you complete it. I personally believe that, just like food, exercise changes on a daily basis, and just like we log our food as we eat eat (more or less), we should do the same with exercise. This allows for a more current and accurate calculation of calorie needs.

    I can't recommend a fitbit highly enough though. Especially since most of your exercise is through walking. It automatically connects to MFP and adjusts the calories you can eat.

    But, the main thing to take away is that eating 600-700 net calories a day is not plausible, which is what you would ned to lose 8 pounds in a month. 2-3 pounds is probably the most you'd want to lose. this would be around the 1200 calorie mark.
    Leosrain, would you say I am lightly active or active? I typically walk for an hour a day 7 days a week burning about 230 calories. Some days I walk for 30 minutes burning minimum 100 calories. I used the latter in my calculation. And thanks for MFP calculation. I had already gone to it when I wasn't getting direct answer to my question.

    I didn't follow AJ_G's recommendation because I had lost pounds in the first trial last year while eating 1200 calories daily. I got saggy body parts due to that. So I know I need to up my calorie intake. I was looking out for a number which took everything into account. So do you say I am lightly active or active?

    I am going to go to MFP recommendation. So much to the Community support! I have got too many answers from folks who must have failed their English classes in High School. Because they are not comprehending what is asked.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    OP, for the MFP calculation we can't say whether you are lightly active or active (you probably aren't sedentary as MFP defines it, most aren't) because that's activity before intentional activity that you log. Do you run around after kids, walk while doing errands or going to work, garden or have to walk around at work, etc? You can get that from a fitbit, as leosrain says, or estimate it based on the calculation you were given (or by giving it to MFP) and after that add on the walking. Or use one of the TDEE calculators (scooby or iifym both are sites with good ones if you plug them in google) and estimate including everything.

    You aren't going to be able to lose 2 lbs per week at a reasonable number of calories, probably, because you weigh only 138. This is the situation for average sized to shorter women close to goal. And, for the reasons you identified you don't want to be at 1200-1300 calories, but much closer to maintenance, while perhaps starting some strength training.
  • AJ_G
    AJ_G Posts: 4,158 Member
    Leosrain, would you say I am lightly active or active? I typically walk for an hour a day 7 days a week burning about 230 calories. Some days I walk for 30 minutes burning minimum 100 calories. I used the latter in my calculation. And thanks for MFP calculation. I had already gone to it when I wasn't getting direct answer to my question.

    I didn't follow AJ_G's recommendation because I had lost pounds in the first trial last year while eating 1200 calories daily. I got saggy body parts due to that. So I know I need to up my calorie intake. I was looking out for a number which took everything into account. So do you say I am lightly active or active?

    I am going to go to MFP recommendation. So much to the Community support! I have got too many answers from folks who must have failed their English classes in High School. Because they are not comprehending what is asked.

    My recommendation didn't have you eating 1200 calories. You didn't even read what I wrote did you?
  • MrTolerable
    MrTolerable Posts: 1,593 Member
    Here is another... ya butt.

    "For thousands of years, vinegar has been used for weight loss. White vinegar (and perhaps other types) might help people feel full. A study (Ostman, E. European Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 2005) of 12 people found that those who ate a piece of bread along with small amounts of vinegar felt fuller and more satisfied than those who just ate the bread. A 2009 study on mice showed that consuming acetic acid (the active component in ACV), upregulates the expression of genes for fatty acid oxidation enzymes in the liver causing a suppression in body fat accumulation. In a double-blind experiment, obese Japanese were assigned to three different groups based on similar body weights, body mass indexes (BMI), and waist circumference. Each group drank a 500 ml drink containing either 30ml, 15ml, or 0ml of vinegar daily for 12 weeks. Those in the 30ml and 15ml groups had lower BMI, visceral fat area, waist circumference, serum triglyceride, and body weight to the control group of 0ml. The 12-week weight losses were modest: 1.2kg in the 15ml group and 1.7kg in the 30ml group. These two groups consumed a similar number of calories to the control group and also performed a similar amount of exercise, so the effect is not likely to have been due to an impact on appetite or other lifestyle changes. It was concluded that consumption of vinegar might reduce obesity.

    Apple cider vinegar is chosen over white vinegar for many processes involving the elimination of fungus. Although they both have highly acidic properties; apple cider also contains detoxifying qualities that will clear up other skin allergies. No side effects have been found when treating the skin with apple cider vinegar, making it a cost effective and safe remedy. "

    https://www.worldhealth.net/forum/thread/99224/is-apple-cider-vinegar-that-powerful-of/?page=1

    The first article you linked on was a study about diabetics in which the rules of weight loss are different. Also it does not talk at all about calorie control, and it does not test a vinegar group against a non vinegar group where both groups are of the same size, weight, and body composition. There are waaaay too many variables to isolate the vinegar as the cause of the weight loss.

    Same goes for the second study. It doesn't list anything about variable control: daily water intake, daily calorie intake, similar size, weight, composition of test subjects. Please link me to an actual published study on this, not a bunch of articles and forum posts discussing "studies" without linking to anything...

    your points are super fair.

    I am too busy to do that though, and not to sound like a person giving the religious pitch, but my own personal experience just backs it up - it increases my energy, mood, and spirits substantially.. it makes me feel more full, and Idk but I think it could be a reason why I have perfect hair.

    still recommending it.