Calorie Deficit- But NOT losing weight

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  • SLLRunner
    SLLRunner Posts: 12,942 Member
    If your body is in starvation mode, it will fight off burning fat to keep your energy stores and burn off muscle instead.

    No, he's not in starvation mode.
  • lisajsund
    lisajsund Posts: 366 Member
    How isn't it? I read about it everywhere and have experienced it myself.
    Lose lean tissue, keep fat. By a calorie deficit that is TOO LARGE! It's science.

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    "Starvation mode is not a thing."
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  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    How isn't it? I read about it everywhere and have experienced it myself.
    Lose lean tissue, keep fat. By a calorie deficit that is TOO LARGE! It's science.

    "Starvation mode is not a thing."
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    Starvation mode doesn't mean you don't lose weight anymore. If you're not losing weight, you're eating too much, not too little.
  • lisajsund
    lisajsund Posts: 366 Member
    Starvation mode means that your metabolism has slowed down so much from a severe calorie deficit that when you do eat, it stores the energy as fat, since it doesn't know when your next meal (the fuel) is coming.

    My experience was this: I lost 83 pounds in 9 months in 2003-2004. Of those 83 pounds, nearly 28 of those pounds was Lean Tissue, based on body comp testing with calipers. While I had lost weight, my body composition remained pretty much the same, somewhere around 33%.

    I still want to lose, but I also want to gain the much needed muscle to keep my metabolism burning. Higher metabolism=eat more food to maintain when I get there. My BMR is about 1680, based on the BF% method. If I limit myself to low calories (1600-1800), I am miserable and ravenous. Yes, I do eat my exercise calories back. My current net calorie goal is 1980. Back on track after the Thanksgiving holiday, when I didn't log anything for 4 or 5 days. But, my scale is down 2 lbs since Monday.
  • WalkingAlong
    WalkingAlong Posts: 4,926 Member
    I just read a pretty convincing article that said that the people who lost on VLCD (usually under 800 calories) maintained BETTER 4-5 years out than those on lower deficits. So much for starvation mode.

    I was talking about it in this thread.
    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1147325-myfitnesspal-added-500-extra-calories-to-my-diet-why
  • Holly_Roman_Empire
    Holly_Roman_Empire Posts: 4,440 Member
    Starvation mode means that your metabolism has slowed down so much from a severe calorie deficit that when you do eat, it stores the energy as fat, since it doesn't know when your next meal (the fuel) is coming.

    My experience was this: I lost 83 pounds in 9 months in 2003-2004. Of those 83 pounds, nearly 28 of those pounds was Lean Tissue, based on body comp testing with calipers. While I had lost weight, my body composition remained pretty much the same, somewhere around 33%.

    I still want to lose, but I also want to gain the much needed muscle to keep my metabolism burning. Higher metabolism=eat more food to maintain when I get there. My BMR is about 1680, based on the BF% method. If I limit myself to low calories (1600-1800), I am miserable and ravenous. Yes, I do eat my exercise calories back. My current net calorie goal is 1980. Back on track after the Thanksgiving holiday, when I didn't log anything for 4 or 5 days. But, my scale is down 2 lbs since Monday.

    I've never seen any starving children whose bodies held onto their fat.
  • lisajsund
    lisajsund Posts: 366 Member
    This is a convincing article as well.

    http://sophieologie.me/2013/09/26/1200-calories/

    Granted, I lost fat back in the day, but I lost 1 lb of lean tissue for every 2 pounds of fat. My 20 pounds on here has been mainly fat since I have upped my protein intake.
  • lisajsund
    lisajsund Posts: 366 Member
    Maybe not here in the US, but it happens in some children in third world countries. Not all, but some.
    Starvation mode means that your metabolism has slowed down so much from a severe calorie deficit that when you do eat, it stores the energy as fat, since it doesn't know when your next meal (the fuel) is coming.

    My experience was this: I lost 83 pounds in 9 months in 2003-2004. Of those 83 pounds, nearly 28 of those pounds was Lean Tissue, based on body comp testing with calipers. While I had lost weight, my body composition remained pretty much the same, somewhere around 33%.

    I still want to lose, but I also want to gain the much needed muscle to keep my metabolism burning. Higher metabolism=eat more food to maintain when I get there. My BMR is about 1680, based on the BF% method. If I limit myself to low calories (1600-1800), I am miserable and ravenous. Yes, I do eat my exercise calories back. My current net calorie goal is 1980. Back on track after the Thanksgiving holiday, when I didn't log anything for 4 or 5 days. But, my scale is down 2 lbs since Monday.

    I've never seen any starving children whose bodies held onto their fat.
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    Maybe not here in the US, but it happens in some children in third world countries. Not all, but some.

    No. Stop. Just stop. That is not what you think it is.
  • lisajsund
    lisajsund Posts: 366 Member
    I apologize for digressing.

    I think the discussion lies in whether a calorie goal is too low, too high, or in the sweet spot for weight loss.

    The key is that every body is different but there are some common factors.

    I always have to remember that there is 3 components of weight loss:

    10% genetics - no control over this one!
    10% exercise - plays an important role in fitness, but doesn't necessarily cause us to lose weight
    80% nutrition - no amount of exercise can compete with a poor diet.

    My calorie goal works because I've had to up it. I burn more than 2000 calories a day, even when I'm not working out.
    The original poster of this thread has a BMR 1.5 times that of mine. He should be able to eat 3000 calories a day and lose body fat. And he probably burns more calories during exercise than I do, so I'm guessing he burns at least 4000 calories/day.

    I still believe that his goal of 2700-2900 calories may be too large of a deficit, but that is for him to figure out.

    And, yes, starvation mode is absolutely a THING and it does happen to many people.
  • 4daluvof_candice
    4daluvof_candice Posts: 483 Member
    becasue if you're not fueling you body you'll probably lose fat not hold on to it
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    if you give your body too many calories without burning more than you put in you gain fat.

    There is no "mode" your body goes into. starving is due a prolonged lack of Food(fuel)
    so why would your body hols fat when you constantly burn calories just by sitting? :huh:
    How isn't it possible?
  • joeherbert48
    joeherbert48 Posts: 47 Member
    I been taking in around 2700-2900 calories a day . 2900 on workout days and 2700 or less on non workout days.

    I'm 6'2 239lbs and I usually take in 240g of protein, 75g fat and the rest carbs. I've been doing this for a couple weeks now but my weight isn't going down. I train intense so I know I'm burning a lot of calories and my rest times in between sets are about 25 seconds. Just trying to figure out what's going on. I went from 245lbs to 235 and now I'm fluctuating 237-239 Any suggestions?

    You're taking in a lot of calories each day even if you are weight training. I'm down to 1500 and a few calories a day and even at that I only might lose a lb a week. Burning calories isn't the answer if you are intaking so many. Cut those calores by 500 and then your exercise and I bet the weight will start to come off.
  • lisajsund
    lisajsund Posts: 366 Member
    Question to the OP:

    What about your nutrient timing? When do you eat your macros?

    Also, at 14% BF, are you wanting to lose for how you look and/or feel or are you a body builder and competing?
  • RoyBeck
    RoyBeck Posts: 947 Member
    Question to the OP:

    What about your nutrient timing? When do you eat your macros?

    Also, at 14% BF, are you wanting to lose for how you look and/or feel or are you a body builder and competing?

    Timing of meals won't make any difference either.

    I'd say to eat a bit less too.
  • Stage14
    Stage14 Posts: 1,046 Member
    Question to the OP:

    What about your nutrient timing? When do you eat your macros?

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  • joeherbert48
    joeherbert48 Posts: 47 Member
    I recently saw and heard on one of those doctors shows on tv that nutrition values and calorie counts on package foods can be as much as 200 cal off as well as carbs, fat, sat fat, sodium counts and values. So really you never know how many calories you are intaking per day.

    What I did was keep a daily record and reduce calories by 10pts or so per day and use this following calculation for the rest.

    Calories divided by 16 (basically number of waking hours during the day) then take this number and add 100 to it for your carbs for that calorie count and then take that number and divide by 2 for your fat for that calorie count the protein is the carb number you origionally came up with.

    so lets say you are on a 1500 calories diet. Divide that by 16 = 93.75 which equates to 93.75 +100 = 193.75 carbs per day

    then take that 93.75 and divide by 2 = 46.87 which will be your fat intake for the day and 93.75 will be your protein count.

    Don't asked me where the 100 added to carbs comes in but it just seemed to me like the right number to add for carbs for the day for that 1500 calorie diet.

    If you adjust all these numbers accordingly I think you will lose weight. But, first you must find your calorie intake where you start losing weight and then reduce that number by 10 or so per day until you notice a weight loss. Then that is your number for a time to lose weight until you reach a plateau of no weight loss and then you have to reduce your calories per day from 10 or so per day until you start losing again.

    This has worked for me and I like the calculations that come up whichever calorie count I choose to use. I think here is where the "balance" of everything works together.
  • defauIt
    defauIt Posts: 118 Member
    Maybe not here in the US, but it happens in some children in third world countries. Not all, but some.

    This is literally the most ignorant and offensive thing I have read in awhile.

    Starving children in poor countries aren't fat and their body doesn't hold on to fat. Their bellies are swollen and their organs are spilling forward because their bodies have cannibalized the muscle that normally holds the organs in place.

    To even imply that when people are starving to death their body will hold on to fat is just so absurdly stupid.
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