Be kind to your gut flora! Don't cleanse!

HeidiCooksSupper
HeidiCooksSupper Posts: 3,832 Member
edited February 24 in Health and Weight Loss
From the NIH: "Gut microbes from lean people helped prevent mice from becoming obese—but only if the animals ate a healthy diet. This research could point the way to new treatments for obesity." -- http://www.nih.gov/researchmatters/september2013/09162013obesity.htm

Recent research seems to be finding more and more links between a healthy and various colonization of gut bacteria and health. Cleansing out your innards may seem like a good idea but instead of "washing away toxins" you are washing away the colonies of little beasties that keep you alive and healthy.

So, a new bumper sticker is in order: SAVE YOUR GUT FLORA; DON"T CLEANSE!

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  • Veil5577
    Veil5577 Posts: 868 Member
    What?
  • HeidiCooksSupper
    HeidiCooksSupper Posts: 3,832 Member
    What?

    Rough translation, Veil: Humans have many colonies of many different bacteria living on and in our bodies that have evolved along with us. We need them to digest our food, keep our dead skin from piling up, etc. That's why, if you take antibiotics, a doctor might tell you to eat some yogurt -- to repopulate your gut. That's what the "pro-biotics" industry is all about, repopulating the gut -- except there are healthier ways to do it than just spending money on so-called pro-biotics. Just eat a healthy diet.
  • Veil5577
    Veil5577 Posts: 868 Member
    What?

    Rough translation, Veil: Humans have many colonies of many different bacteria living on and in our bodies that have evolved along with us. We need them to digest our food, keep our dead skin from piling up, etc. That's why, if you take antibiotics, a doctor might tell you to eat some yogurt -- to repopulate your gut. That's what the "pro-biotics" industry is all about, repopulating the gut -- except there are healthier ways to do it than just spending money on so-called pro-biotics. Just eat a healthy diet.

    Oh.

    Well, I don't cleanse because my body does that for me, but thanks for the tip.
  • richardheath
    richardheath Posts: 1,276 Member
    So... fecal transplants from fit healthy people to obese people is going to be the next weight loss fad, right?



    Ick.
  • HeidiCooksSupper
    HeidiCooksSupper Posts: 3,832 Member
    So... fecal transplants from fit healthy people to obese people is going to be the next weight loss fad, right?
    Ick.

    Ick but quite possibly true. Fecal transplants are becoming a recognized therapy when all else fails. I hate to think about the "bro science" industry leaping on this one, though. See this abstract from _Current Opinions in Gastroenterology_ and other recent article abstracts. It may not be that far away.

    "Fecal microbiota transplantation: past, present and future" http://journals.lww.com/co-gastroenterology/Abstract/2013/01000/Fecal_microbiota_transplantation___past,_present.14.aspx
  • HeidiCooksSupper
    HeidiCooksSupper Posts: 3,832 Member
    Another good read on the topic: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3104783/

    Note this from the conclusions: "It is fascinating to speculate that the gut microbiome might contain a critical intestinal trigger linking environment and host in obesity. Fecal transplants have revealed promising results in the treatment of Clostridium difficile infection (88) and could become another interesting option for the therapy of obesity and metabolic syndrome. Indeed, a first small human study on fecal transplantation in patients with metabolic syndrome, though as yet only presented in abstract form, hinted toward improved insulin sensitivity (89). It has to be stated that such an approach might encounter many pitfalls and challenges, such as the complexity of dietary factors, selection and preparation of donors, timing of intervention, current medication, and antibiotic pretreatment. Apart from the likely reservations of patients and physicians, there are still many important questions that must be answered before this can be tested in a broader fashion."
  • WalkingAlong
    WalkingAlong Posts: 4,926 Member
    I agree it's a fascinating field but unless you're cleansing with antibiotics, why would a cleanse change your gut ecosystem? I think the bacteria is used to surviving food and liquid, even the dreaded cayenne lemonade. Don't you think?
  • HeidiCooksSupper
    HeidiCooksSupper Posts: 3,832 Member
    I agree it's a fascinating field but unless you're cleansing with antibiotics, why would a cleanse change your gut ecosystem? I think the bacteria is used to surviving food and liquid, even the dreaded cayenne lemonade. Don't you think?

    To a point, yes, but the research is finding that gut flora change quickly, in a matter of a couple days, depending on diet. It is certainly a complex field of study but no science indicates that using a cleanse to attempt to remove "bad flora" or toxins has benefits or even does what it claims to do.
  • WalkingAlong
    WalkingAlong Posts: 4,926 Member
    I agree that cleanses probably aren't beneficial (besides self-limiting calories and junk food). I just feel like they're probably also not dangerous. But I guess any repetitive eating could have effects on the gut flora, too.
  • HeidiCooksSupper
    HeidiCooksSupper Posts: 3,832 Member
    But I guess any repetitive eating could have effects on the gut flora, too.

    Yup.
  • QueenBishOTUniverse
    QueenBishOTUniverse Posts: 14,121 Member
    Way ahead of the curve on this. I posted a thread offering to sell my healthy gut flora to dieters on MFP months ago. Didn't get many takers though.....:grumble:

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1164468-new-weight-loss-miracle-eat-my-poo?hl=eat+my+poo#posts-18200109
  • HeidiCooksSupper
    HeidiCooksSupper Posts: 3,832 Member
    Way ahead of the curve on this. I posted a thread offering to sell my healthy gut flora to dieters on MFP months ago. Didn't get many takers though.....:grumble:

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1164468-new-weight-loss-miracle-eat-my-poo?hl=eat+my+poo#posts-18200109

    Didn't that post violate the rule against pushing products? :noway: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
  • QueenBishOTUniverse
    QueenBishOTUniverse Posts: 14,121 Member
    Way ahead of the curve on this. I posted a thread offering to sell my healthy gut flora to dieters on MFP months ago. Didn't get many takers though.....:grumble:

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1164468-new-weight-loss-miracle-eat-my-poo?hl=eat+my+poo#posts-18200109

    Didn't that post violate the rule against pushing products? :noway: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

    Nah, I was just doing product development research!
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