Which calorie count to use? MFP or ScoobysWorkshop?

Nittany221
Nittany221 Posts: 3
edited February 25 in Getting Started
My MFP calculator gave me 1430 but http://scoobysworkshop.com/calorie-calculator/ told me to eat 2400. That is a big difference. I have lost a few pounds but not nearly what I think I should for the calories I'm eating. I am also exercising and I KNOW I am eating a significant amount less than I was before I started tracking. I am putting on some muscle but my clothes are still fitting the same too...could I be eating too few calories at 1430? I am hitting that goal almost 100% with exercise. Thanks in advance!

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  • 4legsRbetterthan2
    4legsRbetterthan2 Posts: 19,588 MFP Moderator
    So I am thinking you probably misused one of the calculators or do not understand how they relate to one another. MFP gives you a calorie goal (based on your daily activity without exercise accounted for) and adds more calories to it when you exercise. Scooby uses TDEE so your exercise is already included in your calorie goal and you do not add it in daily.

    ETA: Scooby also gives you a calorie goal based off of a % of your TDEE, to figure out how much weight you will lose in a week with that goal take your TDEE-calorie goal x 7 = calorie deficit for the week / 3500 = loss per week in pounds. In MFP you select the rate you want to lose in lbs/week. You may have different weight loss rates calculated out.
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    They are two different methods. Done properly and comparing apples to apples loss rate goals, they come out about 6 of 1.

    TDEE method (Scooby) assumes some estimate of your exercise upfront in your activity level and thus some estimate of required caloric intake to accommodate that activity is included in your calorie goal.

    The NEAT method (MFP) gives you a calorie goal based on you day to day hum drum...exercise is extra activity that needs to be logged separately which is when you get credit for those calories and get them to "eat back."

    You also have to compare apples to apples loss rate goals...most people compare a 2 Lb per week loss rate goal with MFP to a TDEE - 20% goal with a TDEE calculator and don't do the math to realize that they're usually comparing roughly a 1 Lb difference in loss rate.

  • You also have to compare apples to apples loss rate goals...most people compare a 2 Lb per week loss rate goal with MFP to a TDEE - 20% goal with a TDEE calculator and don't do the math to realize that they're usually comparing roughly a 1 Lb difference in loss rate.

    This makes sense, it wouldn't let me go past 20% when doing the TDEE. I don't really feel hungry and I'm hitting my goal very consistently...I exercise hard on the weekends ( I have horses so riding and barn work and training) and some evenings per week but have a 9-5 desk job so my weekly log is erratic. But I'm only really eating back what I exercise out and haven't seemed to see much difference. I like the idea of "eating back calories" than just having a total number to stay under. Makes me exercise more and think about what I'm eating...how much will I have to "pay" for that, etc. I just wanted to make sure I was on the right track. Thanks!
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member

    You also have to compare apples to apples loss rate goals...most people compare a 2 Lb per week loss rate goal with MFP to a TDEE - 20% goal with a TDEE calculator and don't do the math to realize that they're usually comparing roughly a 1 Lb difference in loss rate.

    This makes sense, it wouldn't let me go past 20% when doing the TDEE. I don't really feel hungry and I'm hitting my goal very consistently...I exercise hard on the weekends ( I have horses so riding and barn work and training) and some evenings per week but have a 9-5 desk job so my weekly log is erratic. But I'm only really eating back what I exercise out and haven't seemed to see much difference. I like the idea of "eating back calories" than just having a total number to stay under. Makes me exercise more and think about what I'm eating...how much will I have to "pay" for that, etc. I just wanted to make sure I was on the right track. Thanks!

    that's one of the advantages of the MFP method I think...it was the same for me. Getting calories to eat back was definitely motivation for me to go exercise in the beginning. It also taught me the importance of fueling my fitness.

    The downside to this method is that people tend to overestimate their calorie burn from exercise and don't make an allowance for estimation error...it is pretty difficult to accurately measure calorie burn from a given activity, but people tend to take calculators, HRMs, data bases, etc as gospel and they aren't. Couple that with a general tendency to underestimate intake and this is why a lot of people don't see results.

    That said, if one is using some basic common sense and realizes that there is going to be estimation error in both intake and output and they make appropriate adjustments for those things, MFP method works just fine...I used it for the vast majority of my weight loss and didn't really switch over to TDEE until much later when I had become very consistent in my fitness and dietary habits in general.

    At this point I've been maintaining now for over a year and I don't log...I am mindful of what I'm eating from both a quality and quantity perspective and while I might not be bang on my calories all of the time, I'm obviously estimating them pretty good without actually logging them.
  • Chevy_Quest
    Chevy_Quest Posts: 2,012 Member
    Good constructive post. Just bumping so I can save, read, and learn! :drinker:
  • levitateme
    levitateme Posts: 999 Member
    My MFP calculator gave me 1430 but http://scoobysworkshop.com/calorie-calculator/ told me to eat 2400. That is a big difference. I have lost a few pounds but not nearly what I think I should for the calories I'm eating. I am also exercising and I KNOW I am eating a significant amount less than I was before I started tracking. I am putting on some muscle but my clothes are still fitting the same too...could I be eating too few calories at 1430? I am hitting that goal almost 100% with exercise. Thanks in advance!

    You aren't putting on muscle eating 1400 calories.
  • Elsie_Brownraisin
    Elsie_Brownraisin Posts: 786 Member
    I use Scoobys, it's hard figuring out how much I have burned with exercise as I lift weights and when I swim, often break the session up into more difficult bits than others. I know you can do this on MFP, but I find it a bit of a faff. I do open water swimming as well, and there's no way that the swimming calorie burns listed on MFP apply equally when swimming in a frigid lake!

    I log all my exercise as 'cardio', note how long I did it for and put that I burned 1 calorie. The only figure I'm interested in is how many minutes I worked out for at the end of each week and I make sure it matches the activity level I put into Scoobys.

    I prefer not having to think about it, although, as someone has already said, it can be easy to overestimate how much activity you're doing or if it's 'stenuous' or 'moderate'. I have to be careful sometimes. I think I'm going to end up having 2-3 days off this week instead of 1-2 because of work and family schedule. I'll have to recalculate for this week. It's also easy to forget to update your weight too.
  • HerbertNenenger
    HerbertNenenger Posts: 453 Member
    I wouldn't trust any calorie counting from a cartoon dog.
  • My MFP calculator gave me 1430 but http://scoobysworkshop.com/calorie-calculator/ told me to eat 2400. That is a big difference. I have lost a few pounds but not nearly what I think I should for the calories I'm eating. I am also exercising and I KNOW I am eating a significant amount less than I was before I started tracking. I am putting on some muscle but my clothes are still fitting the same too...could I be eating too few calories at 1430? I am hitting that goal almost 100% with exercise. Thanks in advance!

    You aren't putting on muscle eating 1400 calories.

    That's what I was afraid of but I'm not sure if upping my calories is the way to go or even how much. I'm eating about 1600-1800 with exercise so I'm assuming I'm burning around 250 per day on average from exercise, some days much more. I do a lot of walking/low grade hikes in the evenings and riding/feeding/grooming horses for a few hours plus some cardio workouts and bike riding throughout the week.
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