LCHF

Hello everyone!
I have recently started with LCHF diet, and I am feeling great! For the first time in my life I am starting to lose weight. I excercised a lot last year and I reduced my calorie intake but it did nothing for me. I do not have a lot to lose only 5 kg, or 10 pounds, and only one kilo to go!

I want this to be forever! But, I find it hard not to eat cakes, sweets, pizza etc. I was wondering if I can eat all of those things (of course LCHF version of it) and not to gain weight? For example, that once a week I bake a cake for me and my family using butter, dark chocolate, eggs, stevia etc. (you get the porint :D)
I am aware of the fact that this will slow down my weight loss, but will it provoke weight gain?
Thank you very much!

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  • _Zardoz_
    _Zardoz_ Posts: 3,987 Member
    All that matters weight loss wise is a calorie deficit it doesn't matter (weight wise) what those foods are. if your still eating at a calorie deficit you'll lose weight.
  • But, that was not the case with me. I reduced my calorie intake but I did not lose weight. On LCHF I am eating a way more than I usually did and I have lost 4 kg in only 2 weeks.
    I also have PCOS so maybe I do not tolerate carbs so well.
  • BigT555
    BigT555 Posts: 2,067 Member
    All that matters weight loss wise is a calorie deficit it doesn't matter (weight wise) what those foods are. if your still eating at a calorie deficit you'll lose weight.
    this.
    ill only add that eating high carb foods after going LCHF for awhile will make you gain alot of water weight, which will make you appear as though you have gained fat when this in fact is not the case
  • BigT555
    BigT555 Posts: 2,067 Member
    But, that was not the case with me. I reduced my calorie intake but I did not lose weight. On LCHF I am eating a way more than I usually did and I have lost 4 kg in only 2 weeks.
    I also have PCOS so maybe I do not tolerate carbs so well.
    if you've only been doing this for 2 weeks there is a likelyhood that the weight you have lost is water weight. carbs make you retain water, so if you cut them out you'll stop retaining said water

    i dont know much about PCOS this may or may not have an effect on carb intake
  • Branstin
    Branstin Posts: 2,320 Member
    But, that was not the case with me. I reduced my calorie intake but I did not lose weight. On LCHF I am eating a way more than I usually did and I have lost 4 kg in only 2 weeks.
    I also have PCOS so maybe I do not tolerate carbs so well.

    The PCOS and/or medication could have masked your weight loss. You could still gain on LCHF if you go over your calorie limit for the day or week. As long as you focus on not blowing your calories limit then a treat once in a while won't hurt you.
  • But I have lost a lot of cm (for my height and weight). All my life I have heard that I will have bulky thighs etc, but like I've already said for the first time I have slim legs and I am comfortable with my diet and body.

    I know it may seem hard to believe it, but I do not count calories, and I eat much more than I used to do, and I lost weight. And trust me, I have tried everything, from healthy diet, whole wheat etc, but that just did not work for me.

    I do not want to discuss this, I am only interested in the maintaining my weight and cm. I am talking about LOW CARB, or NO CARB cakes. So I am not planing on going back to eating carbs, ever again.
    I would like to hear some advice from people who actually do follow LCHF diet.
    Thank you
  • Dragonwolf
    Dragonwolf Posts: 5,600 Member
    But, that was not the case with me. I reduced my calorie intake but I did not lose weight. On LCHF I am eating a way more than I usually did and I have lost 4 kg in only 2 weeks.
    I also have PCOS so maybe I do not tolerate carbs so well.

    1. Join the PCOSis, and the number of low carb/keto groups here. You'll get far more/better information that pertain to your goals.

    2. Get your fasting insulin tested. As someone with PCOS, you should always have fasting insulin included in your bloodwork, and you should get bloodwork done regularly. This is important to know if you also have insulin resistance (not all versions of PCOS have insulin resistance).

    That said, generally speaking, no, PCOS does not tolerate carbs well. As such, the source of calories matter at least as much as the quantity, even for "just weight loss." If your insulin runs too high, the body will basically act as though it's starving by slowing down bodily processes, before it attempts to burn off fat. With the conventional guidelines of "just eat whatever, just in smaller portions," that typically results in no weight loss, or even weight gain, unless one reduces their intake down to under 1000 calories, forcing the body to finally turn to other sources of fuel solely because it can't slow down anything else without killing itself.

    However, starvation isn't the only way to force the insulin down (which is the big factor in prompting the body to use body fat). A low carb, high fat diet is another, and very effective, option. By keeping carbs low (and protein only high enough to all for lean mass repair), you can feed the body adequate food and nutrients, while minimizing the dietary prompts for elevating insulin. This reduces the total amount of insulin and eventually aiding in weight loss.

    Also, while that original, drastic weight loss is encouraging, keep in mind that, as someone else mentioned, it's water weight. Fewer carbs means less stored glycogen. Glycogen is heavy, in part because it's a lot of water. When that's used and not replenished, you see big drops in weight. Your weight loss will very likely slow down, and may even stop entirely for a short time, while your body heals itself and starts reducing the amount of insulin it produces. Keep going for at least a month, even if you don't see progress, and make sure to eat enough to fuel your body, but not too much, and the progress will start again once your insulin gets back down to an amount that allows your body to use its body fat.
  • BigT555
    BigT555 Posts: 2,067 Member
    But I have lost a lot of cm (for my height and weight). All my life I have heard that I will have bulky thighs etc, but like I've already said for the first time I have slim legs and I am comfortable with my diet and body.

    I know it may seem hard to believe it, but I do not count calories, and I eat much more than I used to do, and I lost weight. And trust me, I have tried everything, from healthy diet, whole wheat etc, but that just did not work for me.

    I do not want to discuss this, I am only interested in the maintaining my weight and cm. I am talking about LOW CARB, or NO CARB cakes. So I am not planing on going back to eating carbs, ever again.
    I would like to hear some advice from people who actually do follow LCHF diet.
    Thank you
    what are you looking for then, recipes? if its a "low carb" cake, then you have nothing to worry about. we were just clarifying the point that LCHF is a matter of preference, actual fat loss/gain comes from a calorie deficit/surplus
  • bowlerae
    bowlerae Posts: 555 Member
    Perhaps you didn't lose weight before because you weren't creating as much of a deficit as you thought you were. Were you weighing all of your food and tracking what you ate? As others have mentioned, doesn't matter if it's low or high carbs or low or high fat. A calorie deficit is what makes you lose FAT (sometimes muscle if the deficit is too great).Low carbs will make you lose water weight but as soon as the carbs are increase, the water will come back.
  • Branstin
    Branstin Posts: 2,320 Member
    I do not want to discuss this, I am only interested in the maintaining my weight and cm. I am talking about LOW CARB, or NO CARB cakes. So I am not planing on going back to eating carbs, ever again.
    I would like to hear some advice from people who actually do follow LCHF diet.
    Thank you

    Why did you posted a question if you didn't want to discuss it? You could have easily called a qualified dietitian. No one is trying to convince you to abandon LCHF but you still need to understand calories deficiency.
  • Dragonwolf
    Dragonwolf Posts: 5,600 Member
    Also, more on point -- it might be a good idea to break the cake habit and look into a different treat. You're going to be hard-pressed to find sufficiently low-carb cakes that are comparable to what you're used to, just because of the nature of the cake and one's expectations.

    However, that doesn't mean there aren't any goodies to be had. I'm personally partial to cream cheese clouds -- http://www.genaw.com/lowcarb/cream_cheese_clouds.html

    You might want to also try the other recipes genaw has at -- http://www.genaw.com/lowcarb/dessert_recipes.html

    There are some recipes there that claim to be cakes, but be warned, they likely won't be anything like conventional cakes. Just keep that in mind.

    Also, a number of the things you listed are "forbidden" by virtue of not being low-carb. I recommend doing something like Atkins induction or other structured low-carb/high-fat plan for the first month or so. Part of the process is killing that sweet tooth. Once you start getting used to all the wonderful foods LCHF has to offer, you'll actually very likely start losing your desire to even have that junk food.
  • I sounded a bit harsh in my previous comment, but I am just so frustrated that many people are not supporting me with this diet, so I am starting to be a little defensive :D

    I do not overeat, I eat when I'm hungry 'till I am not hungry anymore :D I just make sure to eat a lot of meat, healthy fat and a lot of lot of vegetables. I just want to include LCHF pastries or pizza in my menu once a week, and I don't know if this is good, or will it influence my body weight.

    I did my research before I started this, I did all the blood test, My doctor suspected for a while that I am gluten intolerant, because I was constantly bloated and was not able to lose 10 pounds and had problems with my immune system, allergies etc. The tests were ok, but when I cut out carbs, all of the symptoms were gone!

    As a newbie, I still do not know what to eat, and I wonder If I can enjoy in some of the LCHF cakes without feeling guilty. Simple as that.
  • BigT555
    BigT555 Posts: 2,067 Member
    I sounded a bit harsh in my previous comment, but I am just so frustrated that many people are not supporting me with this diet, so I am starting to be a little defensive :D

    I do not overeat, I eat when I'm hungry 'till I am not hungry anymore :D I just make sure to eat a lot of meat, healthy fat and a lot of lot of vegetables. I just want to include LCHF pastries or pizza in my menu once a week, and I don't know if this is good, or will it influence my body weight.

    I did my research before I started this, I did all the blood test, My doctor suspected for a while that I am gluten intolerant, because I was constantly bloated and was not able to lose 10 pounds and had problems with my immune system, allergies etc. The tests were ok, but when I cut out carbs, all of the symptoms were gone!

    As a newbie, I still do not know what to eat, and I wonder If I can enjoy in some of the LCHF cakes without feeling guilty. Simple as that.
    simple answer is yes. no need to feel guilty as long as its not something that happens every day. thats one of the big points of calorie counting, that anything is fine in moderation
  • sparacka
    sparacka Posts: 137 Member
    I, too am new to LCHF, but I have found that by tracking my calories in addition to my carbs, I am losing weight. Eating a high percentage of fat (70%) means that I rarely feel hungry and by eliminating most carbs, I am no longer victim to the cravings that came with my erractic blood sugar levels.
    As far as baking goes, there are lots of recipes online (some of my favorites are at cutthewheat.com, uplateanyway.com, and genaw.com. Coconut and almond flours have much lower carbs than wheat flour and can help you to make treats that will fit into your new lifestyle. I know that some people have difficulty with artificial sweeteners knocking them out of ketosis, but I haven't had that problem when using them in moderation. I just made a fantastic low-carb pizza (crust recipe at fathead.com) that my family gobbled up (even though I'm the only LCHF one in the bunch!).
    Good luck to you! Feel free to friend me if you like.
    Sara :-)
  • hookilau
    hookilau Posts: 3,134 Member
    For me, it's not possible to increase carbs & not gain weight.

    You'll have to work out what works for you as everyone's a little different.

    Here's the short answer:

    I'm pretty sure that if you eat high fat & increase the ratio of carbs to more than you can personally metabolize, the combination will increase your caloric consumption & the result it additional weight.

    :drinker:

    edited for grammatical errors
  • Dragonwolf
    Dragonwolf Posts: 5,600 Member
    I sounded a bit harsh in my previous comment, but I am just so frustrated that many people are not supporting me with this diet, so I am starting to be a little defensive :D

    I do not overeat, I eat when I'm hungry 'till I am not hungry anymore :D I just make sure to eat a lot of meat, healthy fat and a lot of lot of vegetables. I just want to include LCHF pastries or pizza in my menu once a week, and I don't know if this is good, or will it influence my body weight.

    I did my research before I started this, I did all the blood test, My doctor suspected for a while that I am gluten intolerant, because I was constantly bloated and was not able to lose 10 pounds and had problems with my immune system, allergies etc. The tests were ok, but when I cut out carbs, all of the symptoms were gone!

    As a newbie, I still do not know what to eat, and I wonder If I can enjoy in some of the LCHF cakes without feeling guilty. Simple as that.

    The main forums isn't very supportive of anything that even hints at something other than calories in, calories out, and you'll end up with a lot of noise regarding that. It's really best to find the specialty diet groups and join them for such discussions and resources in general.

    You can have LCHF treats. In fact, there are a number of them you can dig up with a Google search. However, I don't recommend it until you're more well-established in LCHF eating. Going for sweet substitutes can perpetuate the cravings for sweet foods and can more easily derail you. LCHF alternatives often also don't taste as sweet or the same in general, which can make you feel disappointed and deprived, and that's not the point of LCHF. Part of switching to this lifestyle is breaking the old habits that got us into trouble in the first place, and it's more difficult to do that if you're spending all your time trying to "convert" your old foods. Embrace the new foods for a while, then work in adaptations of old standbys.
  • hookilau
    hookilau Posts: 3,134 Member
    Also, more on point -- it might be a good idea to break the cake habit and look into a different treat. You're going to be hard-pressed to find sufficiently low-carb cakes that are comparable to what you're used to, just because of the nature of the cake and one's expectations.

    However, that doesn't mean there aren't any goodies to be had. I'm personally partial to cream cheese clouds -- http://www.genaw.com/lowcarb/cream_cheese_clouds.html

    You might want to also try the other recipes genaw has at -- http://www.genaw.com/lowcarb/dessert_recipes.html

    There are some recipes there that claim to be cakes, but be warned, they likely won't be anything like conventional cakes. Just keep that in mind.

    Also, a number of the things you listed are "forbidden" by virtue of not being low-carb. I recommend doing something like Atkins induction or other structured low-carb/high-fat plan for the first month or so. Part of the process is killing that sweet tooth. Once you start getting used to all the wonderful foods LCHF has to offer, you'll actually very likely start losing your desire to even have that junk food.

    I'm over a year LCHF and find this post to be VERY true. I've only recently lost my taste for substitute foods. They just don't compare :laugh: and I've decided are not worth it to me. That's not to say that up until last week I wasn't still trying to find a reasonable facsimile so that I could have a good ol' sammie :ohwell: let's just say it didn't work out as I'd hoped.

    Instead, I focus on what I *can* safely eat without resorting to 'Frankenstein-ing' recipes in the kitchen. :drinker:
  • mkroberger
    mkroberger Posts: 25 Member
    I did Atkins and LCHF for a bit a few months ago, and I remember craving sugar and carbs so much that I googled a bunch of recipes and spent a small fortune on almond flour. I made a couple of things with the almond flour and it didn't taste good. Gave up on that. However, I noticed that during that time I ended up craving desserts less. I just started LCHF again and the cravings aren't so bad at all. Now if only I could not crave a martini while out with my friends! :-)

    So to answer your question there are low carb dessert, pizza etc recipes out there. I still have the almond flour and may try a pizza crust one if a craving really kicks in.

    Also with the slow carb diet, and something a lot of body builders do is have one cheat meal or cheat day a week. That may help you with your cravings?

    Good luck!
  • meridianova
    meridianova Posts: 438 Member
    The main forums isn't very supportive of anything that even hints at something other than calories in, calories out, and you'll end up with a lot of noise regarding that. It's really best to find the specialty diet groups and join them for such discussions and resources in general.

    on behalf of someone who does follow low-carb, and who ALSO has absolutely zero success on a calories in < calories out, let me apologize for those who insist that "it's all about the calories". if that were true, we wouldn't be restricted to only eating certain items which we've defined as "food". humans would realistically be able to consume and gain nutrition from any substance capable of burning, since all a calorie is is a unit of heat. let me also apologize for those who insist that your lack of weight loss was somehow your fault... too many people refuse to understand that for as complex as the human body is, there are way too many things that can affect weight loss AND weight gain.

    to answer your original question regarding sweet treats, i'll echo dragonwolf's comments. the point of low carb eating is to change how you approach food. if all you're looking for is a series of substitutions, you're not retraining your body to eliminate the foods that cause you to gain weight in the first place. killing that sweet tooth/cake tooth/candy craving is key, because it ensures you're that much less likely to go back to the full-sugar versions of those foods later on.

    one thing i've also found is that the longer i stay on low-carb, things that otherwise wouldn't taste sweet, do. i've been able to savor a 99% square of dark chocolate and pick up on the subtle underlying sweetness that everyone else would spit out. i don't bother adding sugar to heavy cream if it's getting whipped because it just doesn't need it anymore.

    however, if you do want to indulge in things like specially-made low carb cakes on rare, special occassions, as long as you keep the carb levels within your own personal tolerance (and don't go faceplanting into the whole thing ;)), you should be fine. but you'll have to determine what levels you can tolerate and what you can't.

    it's not all about the calories. but it IS all about how our bodies handle food.
  • HerbertNenenger
    HerbertNenenger Posts: 453 Member
    bumpity bump
  • aliakynes
    aliakynes Posts: 352 Member
    The main forums isn't very supportive of anything that even hints at something other than calories in, calories out, and you'll end up with a lot of noise regarding that. It's really best to find the specialty diet groups and join them for such discussions and resources in general.

    Much of those responses do not understand POCS; they are knee-jerk responses to the average joe who thinks atkins/keto is magic and that everyone should and can do it. You are one of the exceptions in which it truly is your magic solution and I wish you luck in your new lifestyle.

    That being said, you'll find more relevant advice looking at POCS and Keto groups/forums. You can even run a search for POCS or Keto desserts and come up with some very interesting options.
  • jaleci
    jaleci Posts: 4
    Look up the healthy chef, sarah wilson -I quit sugar and christine cronau fat revolution. They have great lchf receipes and you can see what ingredients to use to maintain ur lifestyle and eat yum food.
  • Naughty_ZOOT
    Naughty_ZOOT Posts: 4,347 Member
    "Your weight loss will very likely slow down, and may even stop entirely for a short time, while your body heals itself and starts reducing the amount of insulin it produces. Keep going for at least a month, even if you don't see progress, and make sure to eat enough to fuel your body, but not too much, and the progress will start again once your insulin gets back down to an amount that allows your body to use its body fat."


    This is what I have been having problems with as a type 2 diabetic. I lost 20lbs from Jan to March on low carb alone but have been stuck in an annoying plateau since then and it is now 17 weeks, sigh. I wish I could find someone to tell me if that is what is happening (my body healing itself) or what is going on. It just seems like an awfully long time for a plateau.
  • LessHeavyVeggie
    LessHeavyVeggie Posts: 208 Member
    Maybe do a topic on the recipe forum for low carb cake recipes?

    Have you heard of chocolate covered Katie? Her blog specialises in 'healthy desserts'. I'm not sure about carb levels, but here is a link to her high-protein and gluten-free recipes (which I'm assuming will be lower carb). The red velvet brownies look really good and are 115cals according to her nutrition facts:
    http://chocolatecoveredkatie.com/tag/high-protein/
    http://chocolatecoveredkatie.com/tag/gluten-free/

    ETA: she has a few recipes fr cheesecakes - I would think cheesecake would be a good way to go for mostly fats and proteins and very little carbs (or I think you can do them without the base if you wanted to)