different diets
lynseya83
Posts: 84 Member
Hi,
I used to think that diet wise calories in vs calories expended resulted in weight loss/ gain.
However in looking at the forum, it seems that folk love different diets ie high fat low carb, or high protein, or balanced etc etc. And people seem to be saying that with the same calorie count changing to a certain macro ratio made all the difference. How much truth in this? Is it just trial and error to figure out what your body likes for macro ratios?
It's all a bit confusing!
Thanks, lynsey.
I used to think that diet wise calories in vs calories expended resulted in weight loss/ gain.
However in looking at the forum, it seems that folk love different diets ie high fat low carb, or high protein, or balanced etc etc. And people seem to be saying that with the same calorie count changing to a certain macro ratio made all the difference. How much truth in this? Is it just trial and error to figure out what your body likes for macro ratios?
It's all a bit confusing!
Thanks, lynsey.
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Calorie deficit = weight loss
Different macro ratios = different fitness goals0 -
Are there people posting links to peer-reviewed studies that say " with the same calorie count changing to a certain macro ratio made all the difference"? Hint: Almost certainly not.
There are some factors to consider. First, measurement error is huge when it comes to calorie counting (even for those who weigh everything). There's a ton of factors at play there, too much to get into. Second, people often feel like they are eating the same amount, when they have actually dropped their calories because they are more satiated. Third, some people find they compensate with more low-level activity throughout the day, without thinking about it, and burn more calories than they were before. Fourth, different foods have different "costs" for digestion. Protein tends to be one of the highest costs to digest. So, 100 calories of protein provides less end-result energy to the body than 100 calories of fat.
And, so on.
Ask for the peer-reviewed studies, when people make these claims. They won't have them.
Full Disclosure: I am a HFLC person myself. But, there's no magic to it. I lose weight because I consume fewer calories than I end up burning.0 -
google...PALEO...absolutely no calorie counting...
I have been on it 30 days and have lost 30 pounds and my blood sugar has gone from near 300 down to normal and below...i have cut my insulin intake in half and will soon lower it again....
i will beat type 2 diabetes...and i eat great food....
look at my food diary...
good luck0 -
google...PALEO...absolutely no calorie counting...
I have been on it 30 days and have lost 30 pounds and my blood sugar has gone from near 300 down to normal and below...i have cut my insulin intake in half and will soon lower it again....
i will beat type 2 diabetes...and i eat great food....
look at my food diary...
good luck
Wait.
You are on a calorie counting website, using a calorie counting tool...but you aren't calorie counting due to paleo?
What?0 -
google...PALEO...absolutely no calorie counting...
I have been on it 30 days and have lost 30 pounds and my blood sugar has gone from near 300 down to normal and below...i have cut my insulin intake in half and will soon lower it again....
i will beat type 2 diabetes...and i eat great food....
look at my food diary...
good luck
Wait.
You are on a calorie counting website, using a calorie counting tool...but you aren't calorie counting due to paleo?
What?
He's not counting any calories, but has a deficit of 3,500 calories/day (30 lbs down in 30 days). He records eating between 1,200 - 1,500 calories a day (which means his burn would be 4,700-5,000 calories a day). If he's moderately active (60 years old male... say between 6'0" and 6'8")... he would need to be around 450 pounds to have that sort of deficit.
I mean, he could be. It's possible. Actually, if he's losing a pound a day, it's almost certainly because he's really heavy. It can't be something that would be considered typical, though. I certainly couldn't switch to paleo and drop 30 pounds in 30 days (even if I was counting calories and eating 1,200-1,500 calories a day).0 -
google...PALEO...absolutely no calorie counting...
I have been on it 30 days and have lost 30 pounds and my blood sugar has gone from near 300 down to normal and below...i have cut my insulin intake in half and will soon lower it again....
i will beat type 2 diabetes...and i eat great food....
look at my food diary...
good luck
Yet you are counting your calories and eat under 1600 every day. Some days under 1200.
But yeah it's the paleo :noway:
Edit: you also eat roughly the same food every day. Shoot me but I'd find that incredibly dull and be unable to maintain it.0 -
Op
Yes it is calories for weight loss and finding what macros suit you best.0 -
google...PALEO...absolutely no calorie counting...
I have been on it 30 days and have lost 30 pounds and my blood sugar has gone from near 300 down to normal and below...i have cut my insulin intake in half and will soon lower it again....
i will beat type 2 diabetes...and i eat great food....
look at my food diary...
good luck
Wait.
You are on a calorie counting website, using a calorie counting tool...but you aren't calorie counting due to paleo?
What?
He's not counting any calories, but has a deficit of 3,500 calories/day (30 lbs down in 30 days). He records eating between 1,200 - 1,500 calories a day (which means his burn would be 4,700-5,000 calories a day). If he's moderately active (60 years old male... say between 6'0" and 6'8")... he would need to be around 450 pounds to have that sort of deficit.
I mean, he could be. It's possible. Actually, if he's losing a pound a day, it's almost certainly because he's really heavy. It can't be something that would be considered typical, though. I certainly couldn't switch to paleo and drop 30 pounds in 30 days (even if I was counting calories and eating 1,200-1,500 calories a day).
I'm guessing a chunk of the 30lbs will be water weight.0 -
No. your first thought was correct. Calories in/calories out.0
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google...PALEO...absolutely no calorie counting...
I have been on it 30 days and have lost 30 pounds and my blood sugar has gone from near 300 down to normal and below...i have cut my insulin intake in half and will soon lower it again....
i will beat type 2 diabetes...and i eat great food....
look at my food diary...
good luck
Yet you are counting your calories and eat under 1600 every day. Some days under 1200.
But yeah it's the paleo :noway:
30 pounds in 30 days, congrats.0 -
Calorie deficit = weight loss
Different macro ratios = different fitness goals
+1 in the calorie deficit group. No special diet needed for me as I have no health concerns that requires it.
LOL on the "google paleo" comment. Even paleo people do not agree on paleo. Good luck getting a definition.0 -
google...PALEO...absolutely no calorie counting...
I have been on it 30 days and have lost 30 pounds and my blood sugar has gone from near 300 down to normal and below...i have cut my insulin intake in half and will soon lower it again....
i will beat type 2 diabetes...and i eat great food....
look at my food diary...
good luck
Wait.
You are on a calorie counting website, using a calorie counting tool...but you aren't calorie counting due to paleo?
What?
He's not counting any calories, but has a deficit of 3,500 calories/day (30 lbs down in 30 days). He records eating between 1,200 - 1,500 calories a day (which means his burn would be 4,700-5,000 calories a day). If he's moderately active (60 years old male... say between 6'0" and 6'8")... he would need to be around 450 pounds to have that sort of deficit.
I mean, he could be. It's possible. Actually, if he's losing a pound a day, it's almost certainly because he's really heavy. It can't be something that would be considered typical, though. I certainly couldn't switch to paleo and drop 30 pounds in 30 days (even if I was counting calories and eating 1,200-1,500 calories a day).
I'm guessing a chunk of the 30lbs will be water weight.
That's what I was going to say as well. While Paleo is not meant to be low carb, many do low carb on it. Even still, it is lower carb than the SAD so that alone will likely cause a drop in water weight.
I'd also point out that most paleo proponents do not encourage calorie counting but do encourage some form of portion control. A lot of people actually run into trouble when trying this diet and not following some type of guideline, whether it be calories or portion control. Much of the food in the diet is quite calorie dense. It is satisting which makes it harder to overeat but not impossible.0 -
Interesting!
It was just a thought really when I was looking at old posts!
Eg. http://api.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1051850-low-carb-high-fat-diet-success-anyone?page=3 - this person has a ' sweet spot' for the macro composition for her day. I have only ever used mfp. To look at total calories really - never the breakdown of where they have come from!0 -
Most diets work. They all really come down to calories in v calories out. Finding one that suits the way you like to eat should work long term.0
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Increasing my protein, decreasing carbs has helped. I find protein shakes extremely satisfying compared to my previous choices. I wasn't eating much protein before, though. Usually I was at 25 grams or less before concentrating on my macros.
I also think eating enough protein has reduced my bloat and my stomach is looking flatter than previously at this weight.
I don't worry about my fat percent although I'm being much more careful about it. When I eat enough protein and the right amount of calories, the other macros fall into place perfectly.0 -
It's all about what works for you. Some people, like myself, picked lower carb because we find it decreases our cravings for our "trigger foods" and also keeps us fuller longer. With our plan you eat less volume of food (because fat has more cal per gram than protein or carbs) but we find it more satisfying.
You can lose the weight being low carb, vegan, eating eggs all day, whatever you want, really. At the end of the day, calories in, calories out is really all you need to worry about, especially at the beginning0 -
[...] this person has a ' sweet spot' for the macro composition for her day.
This person doesn't claim that they lose more weight with this macro composition than with a different composition and the same calories. They do claim they feel better, have energy, and still manage to lose weight. That says nothing about actual calories. In the end, it's the calories that matter.
If anything, macro composition helps with feeling satisfied with fewer calories. It doesn't negate the effect of calories themselves.0 -
Fair point!
Is there an ideal % of protein/ carbs / fat to aim for to keep your body happy and hunger away for someone who does a mix of resistance and Cardio and exercises every day?0 -
Fair point!
Is there an ideal % of protein/ carbs / fat to aim for to keep your body happy and hunger away for someone who does a mix of resistance and Cardio and exercises every day?
It's still an individual thing and depends on goals. A distance runner will probably lean towards more carbs, lifter towards more protein.
40c/30p/30f is a popular recommendation. The Guide to Sexyants link provided in this thread also has a link that walks you through setting more individualized goals.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/819055-setting-your-calorie-and-macro-targets0 -
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Good links thanks!0
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I did paleo for all of 2012. Gained ~20 pounds...intentionally by eating at a surplus. In 2013, eating very UNpaleo, I lost about ~20 pounds...again, intentionally by eating at a deficit.
No magic. It's simply calories in and out.
At all times, I made sure I reached a minimum protein and fat amount and was indifferent as to where the rest of the calories were from.0
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