exhausted all the time

Hello,

Just looking for some ideas on what could be causing me to be so tired all the time,

I have already been to a doctor and he ruled out anything medical

But I find myself constantly tired and snacking on sugary food just to stay awake all day. When I started exercising and monitoring my calories I felt energetic but now I am back to feeling really tired, and if I am not at work I can easily sleep for 10+ hours and still wake up tired. I do take iron supplements but that is because it was low in my diet and I have a history of anaemia in my family, however the doctor gave me blood tests and I have nothing medically wrong with me, but I feel this is a hinderance to me getting healthier.

Any ideas?

Thanksx
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  • BigT555
    BigT555 Posts: 2,067 Member
    open up your diary so we can see if your lacking on the diet side of things
  • fvtfan
    fvtfan Posts: 126 Member
    how many calories are you trying to stick to? You might need to up the number.
  • BeginningAgainMay14
    BeginningAgainMay14 Posts: 97 Member
    Did the doctor do a sleep study? Sleeping 10 hours and waking up tired could indicate sleep apnea.
  • juggernaut1974
    juggernaut1974 Posts: 6,212 Member
    When I started exercising and monitoring my calories I felt energetic but now I am back to feeling really tired,

    Did you change something recently in your exercise or eating patterns?

    I know it sounds counter-intuitive, but I find that the more I exercise, the more energy I have for the rest of the day. I sleep like a baby at night, but it helps keep my blood moving through the rest of my daily activities.
  • dannii92xx
    dannii92xx Posts: 18 Member
    okay I have opened up my diary.

    MFP Gave me 1200 cals to play with but I always eat more than that because I exercise it off (except saturdays so far) I'm going to head to the gym in around 5 mins and burn off what I have over eaten like I have been doing as I get really hungry at the gym if I workout before I eat.


    Also, I have drastically changed my exercise plan, for a while I have wanted to rejoin the gym and decided to go for it so I have gone from walking around as my only exercise to getting back on the spinning bikes, vario (weird cross trainer in my diary I didnt know what it was called at the time) etc. I haven't really changed my diet as per say as I wanted to take baby steps but I am eating a lot less calories and have lost 4lb (gained 2 and lost it again at the start of using MFP then have lost 2lb on top of that)
  • editorgrrl
    editorgrrl Posts: 7,060 Member
    how many calories are you trying to stick to? You might need to up the number.
    ^^^This.

    According to your ticker, you want to lose 26 lbs. Set your goal to .5 lbs. per week—which is way more than 1,200 calories.

    Please, read the Sexypants post: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1080242-a-guide-to-get-you-started-on-your-path-to-Sexypants
  • DiamondRidge
    DiamondRidge Posts: 62 Member
    Way too much sugar and not enough protein.... It'll get you every time. I know it seems counter-intuitive, because you get a boost after eating sugary treats, but it sets up a weird up and down pattern that can easily lead to a pattern of sugary snacks and sleepiness. Sugar is not evil and protein is not all-powerful -- but you need to balance them to sustain energy. Right now, it looks like that balance is out of whack.
  • BrieFit18
    BrieFit18 Posts: 35 Member
    Try green tea! It's so healthy and has caffeine in it and it always gives me more energy and keeps me awake :)
  • rileyleigh
    rileyleigh Posts: 106 Member
    As a side note, i noticed multiple occassion in your diary where there were duplicate entries. I don't know if you intentionally input the same food item several times, but if not then you may be underestimating your calories. And although you seem to be eating a decent number of calories, your choice of calories isn't really helping with sustained energy. Its true that you can lose weight eating just sugar if you limit your calories, but simple sugars don't give you sustaining energy. Try switching to whole grains, and maybe try some more protein. The sugary snacks are not evil, so by all means feel free to have some, but try to branch out a little bit as well.

    Also, MFP tends to overestimate the calories you burn during exercise. A lot of people only eat back a portion of their exercise calories, not all of them. Eating less likely won't help you feel less exhausted, so this is just a side note I noticed. Take it however you want.
  • healthygreek
    healthygreek Posts: 2,137 Member
    You need to have one treat a day and in the place of all the sugar, please eat lots of veggies of all kinds!
    Also, I agree with the others-more protein also.
    But you have no veggies in your diet!! You are missing a world of nutrients!!
    I'm 60-sleep 7 hours and eat lots of different veggies. I have so much great energy!
    I eat my chocolate too but I always make sure to get in all my healthy fats, protein, whole grains and lots of yummy veggies and fruits!
  • willrun4bagels
    willrun4bagels Posts: 838 Member
    Way more protein. Eggs, egg whites, meat, poultry, seafood, protein powder, dairy (I like goat cheese or mini babybel cheese for the protein to calorie ratio). You may see that you energy level changes quite a bit when you get enough protein. I am speaking as a reformed "vegetarian that really ate no fruits and vegetables and survived instead of bread, cheese, chips, doritos, ice cream, etc".... I probably got less than 40 or 50g protein a day if that. I never felt good. Now, if I go below my protein level dramatically, I don't even feel like the same person. Even as a vegetarian, I get 150g+ a day. Protein also helps with satiety.

    If eating a ton of veggies isn't your thing right now, that is OK - take baby steps. Don't run out to the store and buy a cart full of fruits and veggies just to have them go to waste because you don't really want to eat them (I have done this... more than once. Not anymore though). Find one fruit or one vegetable you like and try adding in a serving each day to start out with.
  • Aaron_K123
    Aaron_K123 Posts: 7,122 Member
    Honestly first thing that I think of as a potential problem when someone says they are low energy and tired all the time (especially on a weight loss forum) is....are you eating enough?

    What is your calorie intake like? Your exercise load?

    ETA: Just noticed that you answered you eat 1200 calories and go to the gym regularly. Yeah, you aren't eating enough...that is why you are tired. Eat more.
  • dannii92xx
    dannii92xx Posts: 18 Member
    okay quite a few different responses here :)

    So I need to up my protein? Okay I'll start incorporating that into my diet tomorrow and cut out the sugar. I do eat some veg but maybe not every day, I am limited by what my mum buys at the moment but I will buy bits that I can afford to up my intake (I made vegetable soup yesterday).

    I think the multiple entries you are seeing are where I am snacking and I go back for another portion (biscuits usually) rather than duplicates.

    I dont really use MFP for how many calories I have burned, I use the gym machines which ask for my weight, height and age and only use MFP for when I do spinning but I do hardcore spinning so it probably is an underestimation of what I burn and when I use my stationary bike the MFP is closer than my bikes calculator as it severely overestimates (it doubles the amount of calories you should burn- 250cals in 25 mins when it takes me 25 mins to burn 110 in the gym?)

    I shall get some green tea tomorrow

    and

    I eat 1200 net calories, usually I am eating around 1700 actual calories and then burn off the excess

    :)
  • dannii92xx
    dannii92xx Posts: 18 Member
    forgot to put in:

    I used to drink around 8-10 cups of tea a day. no water no juice nothing. Just tea. Thats another drastic change I have made as, apart from the past 2 days all I really drink is water except when I am at work where I only drink 2 cups
  • 126siany
    126siany Posts: 1,386 Member
    Do you have any rest days in your workout routine? Overtraining can produce this sort of constant fatigue.

    Rest days don't need to be completely inactive, just at a much lower intensity than your normal workout would be. So if you run, you could walk on your "rest day", for example.
  • dannii92xx
    dannii92xx Posts: 18 Member
    I have 2-3 rest days a week where I dont go to the gym and only do light cycling on my stationary bike, I do 15 mins cycle 10 mins break 15 mins cycle 10 mins break for around 30 mins off the top of my head may be a little more may be a little less but its not a hard workout, just to mop up over eaten calories
  • HeidiCooksSupper
    HeidiCooksSupper Posts: 3,836 Member
    Harvard's "Healthy Eating Plate" will help you make better choices of foods to eat. Their "NutritionSource" has lots of good information. http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/
  • curlygirl513
    curlygirl513 Posts: 199 Member
    I am in a similar situation, but I gotta say that eating sugar just makes things worse. Deal with your fatigue by resting more. I need a lot more rest than other people and that is how it has been for 5 years. I take naps everyday and I need them or I feel horrid. But I gave up sugar and I feel better for it.

    for me sugar was like my drug. But it wasn't helping, it was just masking. I am glad I faced reality. I have chronic fatigue.
  • Anonycatgirl
    Anonycatgirl Posts: 502 Member
    One thing to consider is that 1200 net calories may be lower than you really need. We tend to start out telling MFP we want to lose 2 pounds a week, but that may not be appropriate consider you don't have all that much to lose. The general recommendation around here is to shoot for 1 pound a week if you're trying to lose 10-40 pounds. That will make it much easier to get enough nutrition and stil have room for a treat sometimes. (If you're five foot nothing, this may not apply.

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/819055-setting-your-calorie-and-macro-targets
  • lindsey1979
    lindsey1979 Posts: 2,395 Member
    I've got a couple of questions/possibilities for you. Based on your last few days entries, it seems like you have plenty of calories for your size (since you only want to lose 26 lbs, I'm assuming you're not 50+ lbs overweight). If you're getting adequate sleep, I'd start to look at a few things.

    I know you said that your doctor checked out, but do you know if he/she checked the following:
    -- Vitamin D levels
    -- Magnesium levels
    -- Iron levels (including Ferritin)
    -- Free T3, Free T4, TSH and Antibodies (TPO/Tg) for Thyroid
    -- Insulin Resistance (A1C level).

    All of those things can lead to fatigue, and they aren't things that are generally checked without specific instructions from the doctor -- will not show up in your basic panels and CBC.

    Do you have any other symptoms other than fatigue? Constipation, dry skin/hair, brittle nails, difficulty losing weight, etc.? Those are all classic hypothyroid issues. I also mention Insulin Resistance because your eating patterns sound like someone that may have that -- craves carbs/sweets, feels temporarily better, but then very fatigued again later. That's classic IR because of the funky glucose metabolism.

    I ask because I was told I was "fine" for over 10 years by 4 different doctors, when lo and behold I had both low Vitamin D and magnesium levels, a thyroid condition and insulin resistance (I suspected the thyroid, but not the other three). And I too only had 30-40 lbs to lose at my heaviest (on a 5'9" frame). It wasn't until I start researching things myself and found an out-of-network specialist that I had to pay out of pocket were the right tests run and my conditions discovered. It's infuriating to me that I saw several doctors who didn't do any of these tests (aside from basic TSH tests for thyroid and your more basic lipid panels and CBCs).
  • dannii92xx
    dannii92xx Posts: 18 Member
    okay:

    I am 5"0

    I have saved the link to the nutrition source so I can read through the full site tomorrow rather than skim it :)

    Some days I am that tired I nap during the day sometimes for up to 2 hours even though I try to stick to 20 mins

    Im not sure what tests exactly when they take my blood but I am always told 'everything is normal not diabetic not anaemic no thyroid problems'- I have had this fatigue problem for a while and have had it brushed off by countless doctors as stress as I have a pretty hectic life, maybe I should visit another doctor with your list?
  • lindsey1979
    lindsey1979 Posts: 2,395 Member
    okay:

    I am 5"0

    I have saved the link to the nutrition source so I can read through the full site tomorrow rather than skim it :)

    Some days I am that tired I nap during the day sometimes for up to 2 hours even though I try to stick to 20 mins

    Im not sure what tests exactly when they take my blood but I am always told 'everything is normal not diabetic not anaemic no thyroid problems'- I have had this fatigue problem for a while and have had it brushed off by countless doctors as stress as I have a pretty hectic life, maybe I should visit another doctor with your list?

    I'd first just ask for a copy of the tests they did run, then you can compare the results -- see if they did any of these and then look at what the results mean. Sadly, many doctors are really behind on the thyroid tests, even some endocrinologists. There is a reason why they believe that 2/3 of thyroid conditions are undiagnosed and even more of that for the insulin resistance (over 40% of US adults have insulin resistance at diabetic or prediabetic levels).

    I was pretty much treated the same. I was 20-40 lbs overweight, and being as tall as I am, I didn't look that overweight by many people's standards. I never had to wear clothes in the plus sizes, and doctors just told me it was stress too. And I did have a pretty hectic lifestyle through my 20s and early 30s, so I chalked it up to stress too. It got worse in my early/mid thirties -- some weeks the fatigue would be so bad, I'd have to take a quick nap before driving home from work because I was afraid of falling asleep at the wheel. Or I'd just go to work, come home and sleep -- sometimes up to 14 hours, and STILL feel exhausted. Then, it would go away and I'd continue to ignore it until it showed up again (very typical pattern for the thyroid issue I have -- Hashimoto's thyroiditis).

    If you'd like to PM me, I'll talk to you in more detail about what I've learned along the way in my journey -- and wish I'd learned 11 years ago when I first suspected something was "off" and certainly not "fine".
  • kertlj
    kertlj Posts: 4
    Hi! One thing that you said which I think is very important is that you were drinking 8 to 10 cups of tea a day.

    Did it occur to you that you might be suffering from caffeine withdrawal on top of everything else?

    A couple of years ago, before I started with MFP, I dropped caffeine out of my life. Much like you, I was running between coffee/tea and sugar, while being constantly fatigued. I managed to stay off the caffeine (limit to one coffee in the morning, the rest is decaf, no diet soft drinks either) and found that once I was pretty much caffeine free it was also easier to reduce the sugar in my diet.

    Some people have few symptoms of caffeine withdrawal, but I tend to be sluggish with a slight headache for about a month to 6 weeks. Now I have way more energy and my ability to walk away from sugar is greatly increased. I have more physical stamina too.

    It can take months for your body to balance out. My biggest "ahah" moment was watching the documentary Super Size Me, and finding out that it only took 3 weeks to mess up a perfect body chemistry, and 6 months to bring it back! Gave me a new perspective on binge eating over the holidays.

    Think about your caffeine. Black tea has a significant amount. I was drinking 2 cups of coffee and 3 cups of tea a day before I stopped. Not huge by some standards but enough to have a profound effect on me. Definitely was a sluggish month when I went cold turkey.

    Green tea has caffeine, but greatly reduced. Maybe it is a good alternative for a while.
  • dannii92xx
    dannii92xx Posts: 18 Member
    Okay,

    I have taken what everyone has said in to account and have changed up todays eating. My diary is still open and I would love some opinions on todays intake. I haven't worked out today as I have felt really tired and slept for 2 hours this afternoon. I have also struggled with finding things that take up calories now I have cut out sugar and re-cut out caffeine.
  • Might need to up your calories and avoid those sugary snacks. I relied on them for a long time but realized they were a crutch that, in reality, led to a constant state of fatigue. Stabilize your blood sugar and get healthier snacks and it'll slowly come around.
  • lindsey1979
    lindsey1979 Posts: 2,395 Member
    Okay,

    I have taken what everyone has said in to account and have changed up todays eating. My diary is still open and I would love some opinions on todays intake. I haven't worked out today as I have felt really tired and slept for 2 hours this afternoon. I have also struggled with finding things that take up calories now I have cut out sugar and re-cut out caffeine.

    Based on today's meal plan only, your calories seem way too low. 1,018 is really low. I'd suggest throwing in some more protein -- 50 g is pretty low. I'd double that at the very least -- a good guide is 0.7 g per 1 lb bodyweight (or 1 g per lb lean body mass if you know your LBM).

    If you're struggling to get protein in, doing shakes is a good idea. I personally like Optimum Nutritional's Gold Standard Whey. Two scoops is like 48 g of protein. And their flavors are pretty decent -- I personally like the vanilla ice cream and chocolate fudge. Add some milk or cream along with water/ice, and you can throw in frozen fruit or extracts for more flavor (like orange extract to the vanilla for a creamsicle flavor, or mint extract for chocolate mint or cinnamon to either).

    I also see that you have virtually no vegetables -- except what you might find in the soup. You might want to consider eating more vegetables or substituting some vegetables for fruit. Grilled asparagus salad is really easy to so -- grill up some asparagus spears after coating them in olive oil, salt and pepper, then cut them up, add some lemon juice and zest and some feta cheese. Great, simple salad or side dish. Roast some brussel sprouts or cauliflower. Saute some green beans with red onions and bacon -- super tasty.

    In the end, my guess is that this is about a big vitamin deficiency (like D or iron) or another medical condition (thyroid, adrenal fatigue, etc.). You just shouldn't be this fatigued due to diet -- especially as you've been getting a good deal of calories prior to today.
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  • dannii92xx
    dannii92xx Posts: 18 Member
    Okay I'll look into getting shakes, from my understanding on what everyone has said upping my protein will give me more energy and I wont be left craving sugar? Have I got that right?

    And yes I really struggled yesterday to eat my 1200 calories let alone eat back anything I worked off purely because I was limited but I guess protein shakes will also make it easier as they will take up calories too? My wage somewhat limits me as I cant afford to top up what my mum buys at a weekly shop but my partner and I are applying for a mortgage next week so hopefully I will be able to fix these diet issues better once we have the house
  • editorgrrl
    editorgrrl Posts: 7,060 Member
    According to your ticker, you want to lose 26 lbs. Set your goal to .5 lbs. per week—which is way more than 1,200 calories.

    Have you read the Sexypants post? http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1080242-a-guide-to-get-you-started-on-your-path-to-Sexypants
  • dannii92xx
    dannii92xx Posts: 18 Member
    Will I still lose what I want to lose if I do that though? And yes I had a quick read of the sexy pants post