Women and Weight Loss
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I am team get over it. Quit the excuses and do the work.
It is not harder for women to lose weight.
Having a baby 5 years ago is not an excuse for not being able to lose the weight now.
Any fluctuation during TOM is temporary and not a true indication of your weight loss AND if you weigh yourself during shark week you deserve the tissue party it will spark.
Feeding your emotions with food is something you need to work out and and is not exclusive to women.
Men also experience hormone fluctuations (gasp!).
thank you have some RDJ and have a nice day.
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Do you want a medal, OP? What's the point? Pretend you get all men to say, "Yeah, it's harder for the fairer sex." What good does that possibly do you? Will you start losing weight faster or in a more healthy manner if you get the male side of our species to "admit" to it?
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Generally speaking women are not as athletic as men. Sure sure. Some of you are more athletic than some men but I mean as a whole. You don't see any women in the NFL, NBA, and women can't compete with men in track events. What you can take away form this is that men generally have more muscle mass, they weigh more, and they're going to have a slightly easier time losing weight due to higher calorie demand.
Overall, women have no excuse other than the fact that they're eating more calories than they need. Sure it sucks that you can't consume 2,500 not gain a pound while many men can do just this. That's not unfairness it's just nature. Larger animals need more nutrition. The big kicker is that most meals tend to be tailored towards men. That is the serving sizes are large enough for anyone, for obvious marketing reasons, which means that practically every single thing on the menu is going to be too much food for most women.
From my observations half of the women seem to think that they should eat the same thing their significant other does. "Who wants some apple pie?" always ends up with everyone getting an equal slice. I just encountered this yesterday. I had a beer, my friend had one and when I grabbed a second she said "You just had one". My reply was "Sure, but one beer to me is equivalent to you having half a beer. Remember, you're 5'0" and I'm 6'2". If you want to weigh 220 lbs. then keep up with me." I literally weigh twice as much as she does still that perception that she should match my intake seems to take hold.
Show me a woman that eat's a smaller steak, eats less of the fried onion appetizers, and has less of the dessert and I'll show you woman that can lose weight the same as men.
Men!
You sound like my husband. He even thinks he deserves more than half the bed because he is bigger. :grumble:
Seriously, I'm on Team Get Over It.
I don't see how TOM, or boobs or whatever else makes it harder for us. As already mentioned, TOM weight gain is temporary.
We need to follow the same basic principles. I don't begrudge women who can eat at a higher calorie level than me, why would I do so for men?0 -
Women do have a more difficult time losing weight than men. Whether you like it or not, it's not a myth.
Women who have endocrine disorders like diabetes, insulin resistance, hypothyroidism, and hormonal imbalances have a much harder time losing weight than women who don't. It's not a BS excuse, it's reality. And it's a reality for many women. Does it mean they can't lose weight? Absolutely not. It just makes it more challenging.0 -
Women do have a more difficult time losing weight than men. Whether you like it or not, it's not a myth.
Women who have endocrine disorders like diabetes, insulin resistance, hypothyroidism, and hormonal imbalances have a much harder time losing weight than women who don't. It's not a BS excuse, it's reality. And it's a reality for many women. Does it mean they can't lose weight? Absolutely not. It just makes it more challenging.
It's difficult for both genders to lose weight. Quantifying 'ease' is practically impossible. It's hard work and requires dedication, something that all people can have a hard time with.
Also, no one is disputing that certain medical conditions make weight loss more difficult. It wasn't even part of the discussion.0 -
Women do have a more difficult time losing weight than men. Whether you like it or not, it's not a myth.
Women who have endocrine disorders like diabetes, insulin resistance, hypothyroidism, and hormonal imbalances have a much harder time losing weight than women who don't. It's not a BS excuse, it's reality. And it's a reality for many women. Does it mean they can't lose weight? Absolutely not. It just makes it more challenging.
Are those all limited to women?
I don't think anyone is disputing women who have medical issue may have a harder time losing than those who don't.0 -
Women do have a more difficult time losing weight than men. Whether you like it or not, it's not a myth.
Women who have endocrine disorders like diabetes, insulin resistance, hypothyroidism, and hormonal imbalances have a much harder time losing weight than women who don't. It's not a BS excuse, it's reality. And it's a reality for many women. Does it mean they can't lose weight? Absolutely not. It just makes it more challenging.
But do women with those issues have harder times than men with those issues?
Because I'm pretty sure that would be the proper comparison in this situation.0 -
Women do have a more difficult time losing weight than men. Whether you like it or not, it's not a myth.
Women who have endocrine disorders like diabetes, insulin resistance, hypothyroidism, and hormonal imbalances have a much harder time losing weight than women who don't. It's not a BS excuse, it's reality. And it's a reality for many women. Does it mean they can't lose weight? Absolutely not. It just makes it more challenging.
Are those all limited to women?
I don't think anyone is disputing women who have medical issue may have a harder time losing than those who don't.
Same goes for men with those conditions.0 -
Just wanted to say... Love the gif, Krazy Daizy. Haha!0
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Calorie partioning does play a role. But whatever. CICO.0
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Why the f would I complain/*****/make excuses for something I have absolutely no control over - the fact that I am female. I would rather spend my effort on the things I have control over - how much I consume, what I consume and how much I move.0
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But it is easier for men to lose weight, right?
"In summary, sedentary 24EE is approximately 5-10% lower in females compared with males after adjusting for differences in body composition, age, and activity."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1522233
So given a man and woman of the same age, weight, body fat %, and activity level, the man can consume 5 - 10% more calories.
So 100 to 200 more calories? Not surprised. My husband and I are the same height and weight and even though he's lower body fat percentage he doesn't eat much more than me unless he's more active.
And a 1000 calorie deficit will suck whether your BMR is 1500 or 2000.0 -
Also, anyone should be able to eat 2,500 calories per day and still lose weight. Just burn off the excess through exercise. It's about net calories at the end of the day for me, and obeying my set calorie deficit goal.0
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Women do have a more difficult time losing weight than men. Whether you like it or not, it's not a myth.
Women who have endocrine disorders like diabetes, insulin resistance, hypothyroidism, and hormonal imbalances have a much harder time losing weight than women who don't. It's not a BS excuse, it's reality. And it's a reality for many women. Does it mean they can't lose weight? Absolutely not. It just makes it more challenging.
Are those all limited to women?
I don't think anyone is disputing women who have medical issue may have a harder time losing than those who don't.
Same goes for men with those conditions.
So I'm confused with the point. The question was about weight loss difference between men and women. Both men and women can have medical issues that complicate the matter.0 -
Just curious, what do men think they deal with that is comparable to the internal "going ons" of a woman?
Women. We deal with women. Need I say more?
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Which plight?
Basically what the following quote beautifully points out, even those she clearly is on team "Get over it!". You can get from that statement that it actually is harder for women, but we just need to stick it out. Just curious, what do men think they deal with that is comparable to the internal "going ons" of a woman? Thinking about sex while in the middle of a rep and falling out of the "zone"
?Our calorie requirements and body composition is different but the principle is the same, maintain a deficit to lose weight.
Pregnancy takes its toll on the body but it can and will recover.
TOM causes increased appetite and temporary water weight gain but this can be managed.
The big difference is emotional eating, deal with that and you'll lose weight like a man.
Oh no! I had two children and this means that men must tiptoe around my straightforward calorie needs for the rest of my life!!! Also CHOCOLATE.
Now excuse me while I change the tank on the water cooler.0 -
Also, anyone should be able to eat 2,500 calories per day and still lose weight. Just burn off the excess through exercise. It's about net calories at the end of the day for me, and obeying my set calorie deficit goal.
Not everyone. Some people really are too small to support those calorie burns.0 -
This is a thing of beauty. I'm in love. I'll take 50
OP, men and women have stereotypical differences. Not all men will fall into these categories. Neither will all women. There is no 'plight' on women for weight loss. There are challenges. We all have them. Men and women.
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Also, anyone should be able to eat 2,500 calories per day and still lose weight. Just burn off the excess through exercise. It's about net calories at the end of the day for me, and obeying my set calorie deficit goal.
Whoa there. I'm fairly active and a huge proponent of eating as much as possible while losing weight...and 2500 calories to lose weight is too much activity for even me. I maintain around 2200-2300 and that's considered high by some people here.0 -
Also, anyone should be able to eat 2,500 calories per day and still lose weight. Just burn off the excess through exercise. It's about net calories at the end of the day for me, and obeying my set calorie deficit goal.
For me, to do that, that would be around 1 1/2 hours of running, maybe a little less. While that isn't uncommon for me, it certainly isn't an everyday thing. And I don't consider my calorie intake while at a deficit particularly low.
For some it would be easier than others but certainly not something everyone should be able to do.0 -
What do MFP men think when they hear statements like weight loss is different for women?
I'll presume to speak only for myself and in generalities.
Women are not a 'special population' when it comes to weight loss. They are half the population. On the simplest level, it's always kcal(in) < kcal(out) to lose weight. Your specific genotype may determine what TDEE is (mine is about 5% lower than all online calculators) but going under TDEE will always work.
Now, if you're talking building muscle, that's a different ballgame only insofar as women cannot build muscle at the same rate or mass that men can due to the massive endocrine and other systems that make men and women men and women and not androgynous. The mechanisms for building that muscle are exactly the same - overload, recovery, adaptation.
tl;dr: It's bull****.0 -
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it is only different for women in terms of our caloric intake, we run lower then men, we cannot "eat like a man" and lose weight.
While we are not "special snowflakes" we do have different caloric needs then men.
Which is fine, but I still think a deficit is a deficit even if the ceiling is lower for women. Losing 2 pounds a week is hard and a half pound a week is doable no matter if that's on 1500 calories or 1900 calories.
It's just harder to get the nutrition in for women - there's less room for "empty" calories.0 -
it is only different for women in terms of our caloric intake, we run lower then men, we cannot "eat like a man" and lose weight.
While we are not "special snowflakes" we do have different caloric needs then men.
It still doesn't change that losing weight is no different. The OP asked if men should tailor their advice for women. Aside from recognizing that they (as well as even another man they are talking to) will most likely have a different calorie intake then them, the answer should be no.
Trying to use gender as an excuse as to why you can't lose is just an excuse. Trying to justify why the weight may be coming off slower than a guy is silly. Why justify it when it doesn't matter as long as you are making progress. In the end, it's just an excuse or a marketing technique used by weight loss supplement/diet fad programs.0 -
It's not BS, women naturally have more body fat than men. Their metabolisms are also slower, especially after 40. I know of women who work their a##es off in the gym and eat healthy yet the scale refuses to move. I'm not a nutritionist so I don't really know how to go about correcting that. Bottom line is to get leaner, lose inches around the stomach and tone up and everything should eventually fall into place.0
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I know of women who work their a##es off in the gym and eat healthy yet the scale refuses to move.
Then you know women who are eating at their TDEE and not below. The scale isn't the only measure to use, either. Once you're close to the goal weight I usually advice switching to bodyfat measure as its a much more reliable indicator of overall fitness than the scale number.0 -
+1BS from lazy people.
You asked...
+1 - and - As long as she makes ma a bacon sammich, I will say what she wants to hear.No sympathy at all for the plight of the woman, even from the few women that responded :noway:
Kind of figured this is how MFP would respond
What sympathy are you looking for? That you (likely) don't have as much testosterone and muscle mass as a male or what? I don't have any sympathy for my own gender with regards to weight loss unless there's some sort of medical condition involved, and even then it's more me feeling guilty for losing weight "easily" because I don't have that health issue.
AHHHHHHH...Food porn..0 -
One thing I didn't see addressed in this discussion is human sexual dimorphism. The simple explanation of that, is that men are on average 10-15 % larger than women. ie if you take a 5'6" man, and a 5'6" woman, the man will be anywhere from 10-15 % larger. From muscle mass to organ size. It's physiology and can't be changed. So yes, because of this it appears that men will lose more than women. Especially when you compare it by weight or calories.
It would be interesting to see if we compared the percentage of weight loss of men vs women, if the ratios would be similar or if it would show that men do lose quicker and more because of sexual dimorphism.0 -
I just read a blog post that inspired this post, and I was intrigued by the responses received. So here it goes:
What do MFP men think when they hear statements like weight loss is different for women? Do you attempt to tailor your advice for women, or has the thought even crossed your mind to do so? Or do you just feel like the statement is just BS from some lazy people?
Okay I didn't read every comment... but I did reply to a couple of things..
Without context hard to answer, but
Here's my 2 cents...
I am 5'9", 27, female, about 30-35% body fat based on the picture charts(I'll worry about the precision when it gets down lower)
I eat around 2000 calories a day...
Yes- I do not record my weights 2 weeks a month.
I usually lose the water weight after TOM is done and then it is clear that there is no difference in my weight loss during that time. My calorie balance is reflected in my weight after the TOM bloat is done. No biggie... nothing special happened. It's every month. Just part of life.
In my opinion good advice is good advice... You may as well ask me if I tailor my advice to short people... or highly muscled people etc. Granted men generally have more muscle or gain muscle easier, but during my seasonal job I eat about 3000 calories a day(or more, haven't logged it yet) and throw heavy stuff around with the big boys and my dedication and enthusiasm generally has be doing so with better stamina and productivity then the new guys.(I enjoy my winter work and they're big whiny babies) Yes a couple of months after the season was over saw me softer and gaining weight since I didn't check my intake to my new activity level and I didn't keep strength training to the same extend, but that's another topic all together.
I don't think it's about gender.. It's about your personal needs. Go talk to a 5' gamer and check his muscles out... or a 6' lifting woman..
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TLDR?
It's not about gender it's about where you are on a fitness scale. For example- 5' male gamer VS 6' female lifter. k thx0 -
What do MFP men think when they hear statements like weight loss is different for women?
The mechanism is still the same - eat less than your TDEE. There may be differences in rate of loss, what macro ratios work the best to keep us feels good, but the bottom line is always lower calories going in than going out.0
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