Organizing Weekly Workouts by Upper/Lower Body

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I've been working with a trainer for months now which is great but now I have a wealth of knowledge and exercises to pull from and cannot figure out how to organize my workouts. Before I got serious I did a "full body" workout 3 times a week. Now I'm in the gym 5-6 days a week...So how should I do this?

Quad day, ham string day, back, arm day etc? Or lower body and upper body all in the same day?

Also, if I break it up by very specific muscle groups (quad day), how many times a week should I be hitting each?

I feel like I'm at a standstill at the moment because I don't have a plan when I go into the gym anymore.

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  • Cherimoose
    Cherimoose Posts: 5,209 Member
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    You have a trainer. Why not ask them??

    I don't see the point of splitting any further than upper/lower unless you're a bodybuilder.
  • smarieallen85
    smarieallen85 Posts: 535 Member
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    I'm just interested in hearing what other people have to say! I also only pay for 30 min sessions with her so it's sometimes hard to talk about everything or get to all questions.
  • 3laine75
    3laine75 Posts: 3,070 Member
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    I do an upper/lower split - wendlers 5/3/1

    It concentrates on 1 of the big lifts per workout - then you get to add the exercises you like as assistance to those lifts.

    It's a good read too if you fancy it.
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,874 Member
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    I think that even if you're doing a split you should only lift 4x per week...lifting 5-6 days per week is going to negate a lot of the work you are doing. Did your trainer ever teach you anything about the benefits of rest? That's where the actual magic happens.

    If you want to hit the gym 5-6 days per week I would suggest spending a couple of days doing things other than lifting...maybe work on balance and flexibility and throw in some mild cardio in there.
  • smarieallen85
    smarieallen85 Posts: 535 Member
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    Yeah...I mean that's basically what I'm doing. One day is usually devoted to spinning, another some plyometric stuff. And yes, my trainer does tell me to rest but I have a voice in my head that says "go go go". So it's a struggle. Resting today though!
  • Jim_Barteck
    Jim_Barteck Posts: 274 Member
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    There is no "right" answer. It depends on how close to your maximum you are working each time and how quickly your muscles recover from each workout. The closer to your maximum that you're lifting, the more time the muscles will need to recover.

    You have to listen to your body to find what works best for you.

    - If, at the end of the workout, you feel like you could do 15 more minutes: you probably went too easy. This doesn't necessarily mean you have to lift to exhaustion. But you do have to lift to completion if you want to see real progress.

    - If you're running out of steam before the end of the workout: you probably are going too hard. You have to find the balance between "I can't take this any more" and "That felt good, but I'm done here."

    Once you've found the right intensity, then you can focus on body parts and splits.

    - Are those particular muscles still sore from your previous workout? Then wait until they aren't.

    - Are those particular muscles ready to go days before you're scheduled to work them? Then you might consider working them more often.

    It's going to be trial and error, and there's really no getting around it.
  • smarieallen85
    smarieallen85 Posts: 535 Member
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    Interesting. Yeah I'm still trying to figure it all out, especially since I'm focused on heavy weight now. I just guess I'm worried I won't see benefits and weight loss during the next few weeks while I'm still putting everything together.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,610 Member
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    As mentioned, there is no "right" way that works for everyone. Splits are great if you lack time or are focusing on particular body parts, but IMO if you're just doing it for general health, then stick to full body workouts. Goals will help to dictate how you may want to set up your training.

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  • smarieallen85
    smarieallen85 Posts: 535 Member
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    Yeah...I'm a little beyond "general health". I have this newfound fascination and love for weight lifting so I'm just excited to figure out what's best for me.
  • HeidiMightyRawr
    HeidiMightyRawr Posts: 3,343 Member
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    Generally speaking if you're aiming for strength mostly, a full body routine would be more than fine, especially as a relative beginner (to training seriously at least) A full body routine does not mean you don't take it seriously, it just means you're early enough into it that you still benefit greatly from that level of frequency. As you get further along and with a year or 2, you may find that you can't handle that frequency any more, and may switch to twice a week per body part to give yourself more rest (ie: upper/lower) You may find you're at that point now even. Or that you continue to benefit from high frequency way down the line. There are programs out there such as Smolov for squats, where you're squatting 4x a week, and that itself is for fairly advanced lifters at least.

    I'd say body part splits where you only train a single muscle group once a week, is mostly just for bodybuilding goals. Improving strength IMO is going to need more than that, and more focus on the lifts you want to improve as opposed to the body part. I don't know what your specific goals are with relation to the gym so I'm not quite sure what to suggest exactly beyond that.

    I train for Powerlifting mostly. My own personal routine is, Monday: Squats+Bench, Wed: Deadlifts+Bench, Fri: Squats+Bench. My upper body generally needs the frequency to improve on as it's not as strong as the rest, and recovers faster. Deadlifts are so taxing on the body I only need them once a week, and squats I need the volume (so do a lot of sets!) but also need the rest and recovery from in between sessions. Accessory work is included in all those days (a mix of flyes, good mornings, lunges, dips, sit ups,....not all of them in 1 day though!) I get on well with this approach, been following it since February. I do upper back work (chin ups / barbell rows) and a little shoulders (OHP) on Saturdays.

    I think it's so different for everyone it's most likely going to be a case of doing some research, speaking to your trainer, experimenting with different ways and seeing what works best for you and your goals.
  • smarieallen85
    smarieallen85 Posts: 535 Member
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    Thanks! That was super helpful. I'm finding the same thing to be true for dead lifts so I feel better knowing it's cool to keep them to once a week.
  • Upstate_Dunadan
    Upstate_Dunadan Posts: 435 Member
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    3 days a week is good for a beginner, but after a while, you find yourself wanting to work out on the days you are not (at least I did).

    5 days a week (working 1 body part per week) I don't really care for. I did try it and found it wanting.

    If you want to work each body part twice a week, you're needing to choose between 4 days a week and 6.

    I tried 6 days a week, splitting things up so I could work each area twice, but I found it hard to get to the gym 6 days a week. Something would always come up (family, work, etc.) to prevent me from getting all my days in. The nice thing was I could get my whole training done in less than an hour.

    I'm now working out at the gym 4 days a week, splitting things up as follows -

    Day 1 - Upper body (Push exercises) - chest, triceps, and shoulders
    Day 2 - Lower body & Pull exercises - legs, back, biceps
    Day 3 - Cardio
    Day 4 - Upper body (Push exercises) - chest, triceps, and shoulders
    Day 5 - Lower body & Pull exercises - legs, back, biceps
    Day 6 - Cardio
    Day 7 - Cardio

    The nice thing about splitting the push/pull exercises is that you don't wind up working same muscles on back to back days. For example working chest one day and shoulders the next (or vice versa) hits your deltas twice in a row since you can't work your chest and not hit them, like you obviously do on shoulder days. Same with back and biceps. You'll hit your biceps when you do back, and if you do the two on separate days, you're hitting them more frequently than you might really intend.

    Also, if something comes up and I can't work out one day (like this week, I had to travel for business on my normal Day 4), you just shift things so your 2 days of cardio (or rest) are mid-week instead of the weekend,.

    Cardio can be whatever you like. I do steady state on my days off because I feel like I have to do something. No HIIT at this point, because I work that into my gym workouts by super-setting an exercise with jump rope, and working true cardio on the off days helps with my workout HIIT. But, I may switch it up soon and build in some sprinting on off days.

    Only down side to my 4-day split is that my workouts are longer. Upper body days run from 1 hour to 1 1/4 hours, but leg days go a good 90 minutes (and I'm racing through the workout with very little rest).
  • baldmitch
    baldmitch Posts: 90 Member
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    Day 1: UPPER BODY PUSH DAY: bench press, chest flyes, military presses, bench dips, push ups. Any exercise where you are using your chest and triceps to push things away from you. Medicine ball throws if you are pushing from the chest or throwing overhead/overhand.

    Day 2 - UPPER BODY PULL DAY: standing curls, preacher curls, dumbbell and barbell. Arnold method curls - where your elbow rests on the inner thigh. Bent over barbell rows, bent over dumbbell rows, bent over back flyes (reversed chest flyes on nautilus). Any exercise where you are pulling with your biceps and back. Underhand medicine ball throws.

    Day 3 - UPPER LEGS: squats, lunges, leg extensions, ham curls, hip abductors, hip adductors, stair machine. Anything that hits the hamstrings, glutes, quads, and leg groin muscles. Go as heavy as you can on squats, especially the closer to are to your 40's.

    Day 4: CORE: crunches, reverse crunches, barbell twists, hanging leg lifts, lying leg lifts.

    Day 5: REST

    Every Sunday: NO STRENGTH EXERCISES.

    Every Day: WALK or JOG 20-80 mins.

    Every day there is strength training - WALK or JOG another 20-80 minutes

    Once and a while, take an strength day after a day off to go do a full body training of your choice.
  • smarieallen85
    smarieallen85 Posts: 535 Member
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    Cool, thanks guys. It's nice to see this written out and to hear other ideas. I'm a musician/creative type and the idea of organization gives me a headache and anxiety.