Coming Out of Starvation Mode

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I have recently found that I have been consuming far less than I should for healthy weight loss. I bought a jawbone UP and it showed me that I burn between 2400 (on rest days) and 3000 (on workout days) calories a day. i have been consuming 1420 a day plus exercise calories. is this enough of a deficit to put me in starvation mode? I have seen my weight loss come to a screeching halt this last week. What do I do to get out of it and how long will it take if it just started?

PS: I should mention that I am Male/22 years old/205lbs/5'10"
PPS: Do I have to go back to maintenance calories or can I stay at my new deficit (my BMR is about 1900)
Thanks!

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  • inertiastrength
    inertiastrength Posts: 2,343 Member
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    you're not in starvation mode. If you were in a deep deficit and losing 3+lbs/week at worst you chewed through more lean mass than you'd have liked.

    http://www.aworkoutroutine.com/starvation-mode/
  • WombatHat42
    WombatHat42 Posts: 192 Member
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    I have recently found that I have been consuming far less than I should for healthy weight loss. I bought a jawbone UP and it showed me that I burn between 2400 (on rest days) and 3000 (on workout days) calories a day. i have been consuming 1420 a day plus exercise calories. is this enough of a deficit to put me in starvation mode? I have seen my weight loss come to a screeching halt this last week. What do I do to get out of it and how long will it take if it just started?

    PS: I should mention that I am Male/22 years old/205lbs/5'10"
    PPS: Do I have to go back to maintenance calories or can I stay at my new deficit (my BMR is about 1900)
    Thanks!

    If you are in starvation mode check this guy out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wNwvOrwv_k . He has A LOT of stuff. He is a personal trainer in Florida, has a fitness camp and knows his stuff and the science behind it. I have been binge watching a lot of it the past couple days(I like to plan 2 workout routines a head). Basically in this video there was a dude that lost 100 lbs over 4years by eating only 800 calories o.O and is now gaining weight back now that he is eating healthy for once to add muscle. This guy explains it perfectly what he needs to do.

    That being said, think about this. How many calories do you need to eat? 1900. How much can you safely lose in a week? 2 lbs How many calories is in 1 lb? 3500 How many calories do I need to cut to lose 2 lbs? 3500/7=500 cal deficit so 1900-500=1400 If you eat 1900 a day that means you need to burn 500 calories each day from working out. I would say if you can run 1 mile straigh @ 7.0 mph that burns roughly 200 calories so do 1.5 miles @ 7.0 straight and eat 1750 calories/day and that is your 500. But remember your body will catch up so you need to change up your workout. Either increase the difficulty of the run by 2% (ie speed, distance, incline etc) or change it up. HIIT is the best cardio based workout look up a few routines online. If you lift as well take that into account.

    Just remember that if you workout 3x a week and each workout burns 500+ that means you need to eat 1900+ calories a day or you might not lose weight.

    The reason that you have suddenly stopped losing is because your body has caught up to you(ie you have hit a plateau) Change things up. Either change up your work out or your diet or both. Take the info Ive mentioned and tinker a bit and see what works. Working out to lose weight is trial and error somethings are more for adding muscle some are more for endurance and some are meant for weight loss. Be sure what you are doing fits your goals.
  • operaman20
    operaman20 Posts: 13
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    So i should just continue with what I am doing and I should be fine? THATS AWESOME!!! Still though...I will be keeping a close eye on my weight loss to ensure that I continue downward.
  • nutmegoreo
    nutmegoreo Posts: 15,532 Member
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    So i should just continue with what I am doing and I should be fine? THATS AWESOME!!! Still though...I will be keeping a close eye on my weight loss to ensure that I continue downward.

    Because you have been in a steep deficit, you may find a stall for a few weeks, possibly a gain, but that is just your body shifting stuff around (glycogen stores and with it, water weight). Be patient for the next few weeks, it will work itself out.
  • operaman20
    operaman20 Posts: 13
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    one more question. Should I be eating 500 or 1000 cal below my daily burn of 3000? I forgot to mention that I exercise about 6 days a week.
  • WombatHat42
    WombatHat42 Posts: 192 Member
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    one more question. Should I be eating 500 or 1000 cal below my daily burn of 3000? I forgot to mention that I exercise about 6 days a week.

    500 because 1000 would put you into starvation mode bc that would be only 900 cal a day.

    As far as sticking with what you are doing...how many calories do you burn from your workout/day on average? To break through this plateau just drop about 5% of your carbs(ie 60% down to 55%) or so and add that back in protein and fat.

    Also keep in mind you are adding muscle from your workouts and your body changes to adapt so you need to change. You may have actually lost 2 lbs of fat but put on 2 of muscle or just weighed at a time when your weigh has fluctuated so you may have actually lost 2 or 3lbs
  • operaman20
    operaman20 Posts: 13
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    But I thought I was supposed to eat 500-1000cal under my total daily burn. Not 500-1000 under my BMR.
  • maidentl
    maidentl Posts: 3,203 Member
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    But I thought I was supposed to eat 500-1000cal under my total daily burn. Not 500-1000 under my BMR.

    You are correct. If 3000 is your TDEE, you can eat 2000. But since you don't have very much weight to lose, you could eat even more and still lose. You don't need as big of a deficit when you are closer to your goal weight.
  • Annie_01
    Annie_01 Posts: 3,096 Member
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    OP...I would do some more research...or wait for someone to come along to give you some good advice.

    You are headed for disaster with the route that you are on.

    Just hang in there...someone should be along soon.

    It is late...I am tired or I would try to explain.
  • Annie_01
    Annie_01 Posts: 3,096 Member
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    BTW...You are not in "starvation mode". Let MFP figure your calories...set your goal for 1 to 1.5lbs...eat about half of your exercise calories back...you will lose weight.

    You don't have to starve yourself to lose weight...I promise.
  • operaman20
    operaman20 Posts: 13
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    That was about what I was going to do. I just set my calorie goal to 2000 (1000 calories below my most active point and 500 below my usual rest day burn).

    Does this sound like a good plan?
  • WombatHat42
    WombatHat42 Posts: 192 Member
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    But I thought I was supposed to eat 500-1000cal under my total daily burn. Not 500-1000 under my BMR.

    Sorry misunderstood.
  • nutmegoreo
    nutmegoreo Posts: 15,532 Member
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    That was about what I was going to do. I just set my calorie goal to 2000 (1000 calories below my most active point and 500 below my usual rest day burn).

    Does this sound like a good plan?

    This sounds like a plan. Here's a great thread full of information. Well worth the read through.

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1080242-a-guide-to-get-you-started-on-your-path-to-sexypants
  • rachelilly
    rachelilly Posts: 62
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    you're not in starvation mode. If you were in a deep deficit and losing 3+lbs/week at worst you chewed through more lean mass than you'd have liked.

    http://www.aworkoutroutine.com/starvation-mode/

    ^^^^ Yes. Read this. It really helped me,

    Also, be patient. Plateaus happen. Do what you can to change it up. Keep your body constantly guessing what's coming next as opposed to a predictable pattern. Try HIIT, crossfit, or another high intensity workout if you do the same thing all the time. Are you hitting your macros?
  • Maitria
    Maitria Posts: 439 Member
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    You don't have to choose one number. If you can lose 1-2 lbs a week by staying within 2000-2500, go with the flow. If you have a fun day planned, go for the 2500 that day. If you need to meet protein needs, go for 2500 that day. If you're just not all that hungry and your macros are ok, go for 2000.
  • EvgeniZyntx
    EvgeniZyntx Posts: 24,208 Member
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    Forget starvation mode for a moment.

    If you are not losing it's likely related to tracking or water retention and these are the first to address.
    How is your logging? Do you weigh everything? Any empty days in your log?

    Your diary isn't open so we can't really look at that.

    Second, what is this plateau or screeching halt you mentioned. Is it a week? A month of no loss? Just slow loss?

    Setting your goal from 1400 to 2000 is reasonable BUT you need to assure you aren't going to freak out over the normal weight gain that occurs as glycogen stores settle back. It's usually best to make small adjustments, evaluate after 3-4 weeks and learn from that.

    Here is the reading list:

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/833026-important-posts-to-read
    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1080242-a-guide-to-get-you-started-on-your-path-to-sexypants
    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/819925-the-basics-don-t-complicate-it
    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/819055-setting-your-calorie-and-macro-targets
    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/872212-you-re-probably-eating-more-than-you-think

    "Starvation mode" aka adaptive thermogenesis, maybe a real issue BUT it really is only to be considered once you've managed the majors.

    Feel free to ask any questions on it, but focus on those links first.
  • operaman20
    operaman20 Posts: 13
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    I log everything as accurately as possible. I weight everything. As for the plateau I suppose you could say it was a near complete stop. It's been about a week and a half with no real loss at all. Possibly a slight gain. I have started tracking my weight on paper to ensure that I am not just being paranoid. I have opened my diary to the public so you can look at it.
  • juggernaut1974
    juggernaut1974 Posts: 6,212 Member
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    A week and a half is not a plateau. 4 months is a plateau.

    Weight loss doesn't always happen in a perfectly linear fashion. There will be several days and weeks of ups and downs. Focus on the long-term trend, line; not the short term daily/weekly fluctuations.
  • andreakurylo
    andreakurylo Posts: 15 Member
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    I have recently found that I have been consuming far less than I should for healthy weight loss. I bought a jawbone UP and it showed me that I burn between 2400 (on rest days) and 3000 (on workout days) calories a day. i have been consuming 1420 a day plus exercise calories. is this enough of a deficit to put me in starvation mode? I have seen my weight loss come to a screeching halt this last week. What do I do to get out of it and how long will it take if it just started?

    PS: I should mention that I am Male/22 years old/205lbs/5'10"
    PPS: Do I have to go back to maintenance calories or can I stay at my new deficit (my BMR is about 1900)
    Thanks!

    http://www.aworkoutroutine.com/starvation-mode/

    Please read this article. I'm so sick of people talking about this "Starvation Mode" thing and how you need to increase calories to lose weight...it's all complete b/s!!! U need protein to burn fat, and lean proteins make u feel A LOT fuller than carbs. So limiting carbs isn't necessarily a bad thing if you aren't feeling "full." I've been eating under 1200 calories everyday, but I also exercise 5-7 days/week. 30 minutes of cardio and 30 minutes of different weight training techniques. You would be surprised at how full you can get by increasing your protein intake to about 30-35% of your daily intake of calories. PROTEIN burns fat and builds muscle, and is a healthy and essential way to lose weight and feel full. I'm usually under 50 carb/day...not per meal...per day! Chicken and Ground Turkey have NO CARBS and make u feel full for a longer amount of time than just eating veggies and fruits. I eat a ton of fruits, make smoothies out of strawberries, bananas and blueberries (blueberries have enormous amounts of antioxidants and aid in weight loss) with a little Organic Strawberry Banana juice. I cut up all my fruits as soon as I buy them and freeze them, so when I'm actually drinking a smoothie, it's 100% fruits and antioxidants...not watered down with ice. That's usually my way of snacking and what I give my 4 year old son instead of ice cream. I LOVE TACOS!!! So I've found some pretty amazing whole grain carb smart wraps...one only has 11 carbs/wrap and one is 14 carbs/wrap and the one that's 14 carbs is only 50 calories too!!! So I'm getting whole grains, which help control insulin levels, ground turkey is the meat that I use...and it has no carbs at all and just a little serving or 2 of cheese. It doesn't matter if the cheese is 100-110 calories/serving because this meal is way under 500 calories!!! And what's more is that it's super filling!!! A mistake that people often make when it comes to tacos, is buying pre-packaged seasoning, and unfortunately, a mistake that I've made most of my life! I LOVE Old El Paso's Taco Seasoning...love it. And when my son's father was diagnosed with Meniere's Disease 3 years ago, I started using the one labled "25% less sodium." With Meniere's Disease, you have to cut your sodium intake immensely and this helped. However, from a diet stand point it breaks down to this: 1 package is 6 servings (and u use that whole thing in 1lb of ground meat) 15 calories per serving, 270mg of sodium, and 3 carbs. Doesn't sound like much right? Until you multiply those numbers by 6!!! So I opt'd to make the seasoning myself (which is waaayyy better tasting and healthier!) using chili powder, red pepper, garlic powder (not garlic salt!) and onion powder. You can put in as little or as much as you'd like for flavor and there's no added calories, sodium or carbs! Top w/some organic salsa or even some bottled taco sauce (but watch how much u use of the bottled stuff cause it does contain carbs, but being that this is an extremely low carb containing meal, 2 servings is no big deal) I also chop up tomatos and dice green chilies and add them to the meat for even more flavor and nutrients!!! The only thing I look for with cheese is the reduced fat kind. And here's a direct quote of why u need some fat....

    "Triglycerides, cholesterol and other essential fatty acids—the scientific term for fats the body can't make on its own—store energy, insulate us and protect our vital organs. They act as messengers, helping proteins do their jobs. They also start chemical reactions that help control growth, immune function, reproduction and other aspects of basic metabolism.
    The cycle of making, breaking, storing and mobilizing fats is at the core of how humans and all animals regulate their energy. An imbalance in any step can result in disease, including heart disease and diabetes. For instance, having too many triglycerides in our bloodstream raises our risk of clogged arteries, which can lead to heart attack and stroke.
    Fats help the body stockpile certain nutrients as well. The so-called "fat-soluble" vitamins—A, D, E and K—are stored in the liver and in fatty tissues.
    Knowing that fats play such an important role in many basic functions in the body, researchers funded by the National Institutes of Health study them in humans and other organisms to learn more about normal and abnormal biology.
    Despite fat's importance, no one yet understands exactly how humans store it and call it into action. In search of insight, Oklahoma State University biochemist Estela Arrese studies triglyceride metabolism in unexpected places: silkworms, fruit flies, and mosquitoes.
    The main type of fat we consume, triglycerides are especially suited for energy storage because they pack more than twice as much energy as carbohydrates or proteins.
    Once triglycerides have been broken down during digestion, they are shipped out to cells through the bloodstream. Some of the fat gets used for energy right away. The rest is stored inside cells in blobs called lipid droplets. When we need extra energy—for instance, when we run a marathon—our bodies use enzymes called lipases to break down the stored triglycerides. The cell's power plants, mitochondria, can then create more of the body's main energy source: adenosine triphosphate, or ATP."


    Eating leafy green veggies and fruits lower on the glycemic index is also SUPER important for weight loss and overall health benefits. Here's some essential info about the glycemic index...which was brought to my attention by my Endocrinologist.

    The glycemic index (GI) is a ranking of carbohydrates on a scale from 0 to 100 according to the extent to which they raise blood sugar levels after eating. Foods with a high GI are those which are rapidly digested and absorbed and result in marked fluctuations in blood sugar levels. Low-GI foods, by virtue of their slow digestion and absorption, produce gradual rises in blood sugar and insulin levels, and have proven benefits for health. Low GI diets have been shown to improve both glucose and lipid levels in people with diabetes (type 1 and type 2). They have benefits for weight control because they help control appetite and delay hunger. Low GI diets also reduce insulin levels and insulin resistance.

    Recent studies from Harvard School of Public Health indicate that the risks of diseases such as type 2 diabetes and coronary heart disease are strongly related to the GI of the overall diet. In 1999, the World Health Organisation (WHO) and Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO) recommended that people in industrialised countries base their diets on low-GI foods in order to prevent the most common diseases of affluence, such as coronary heart disease, diabetes and obesity.

    This link will tell you all about the glycemic index of carb containing foods: http://www.glycemicindex.com/index.php

    Berries and Strawberries are really low on the glycemic index...making u feel fuller longer and more satisfied, while bananas are on the moderate side, slightly spiking your glucose levels...but not enough to be super concerned. They are to be eaten in moderation, while watermelon's GI ranges from 72-80 and cantaloupe's GI ranges between 65-70!!! Those should be avoided or eaten in moderation along with lower GI foods.

    I was diagnosed with Insulin Resistance 2 months ago and have a best friend who is a Team Beach Body Coach and I'm full of helpful information!!! If u have any questions or concerns feel free to message me and I'll hook u up with all types of info. Believe me, you can easily get filled on 1200 calories/day as long as u eat the right ones!!! The link above for glycemicindex.com will also allow u to search for your fav foods and see how they are rated on the GI scale. It's not just a blog talking about the benefits of eating low GI foods...it has all sorts of tools to help you!!! Good Luck w/everything!!!
  • SnuggleSmacks
    SnuggleSmacks Posts: 3,731 Member
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    Does the Jawbone UP not work with MFP? My Bodymedia tracker does...it automatically adjusts my MFP calorie goal each day so that I maintain a 250 calorie deficit no matter how much or little I burn. That way, on an active day, I have a larger calorie goal, and on a lazy day, I have a small one. The UP should do something similar and take all the guesswork out of how much you should be eating.