No More Playing Around...Time to Reach My Goals!!!
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Well, today I got 4 hours of sleep then went in to work. I came home and got about 2 more hours of sleep. I am going to try to squeeze in my workout in a few minutes. Thank goodness it is just the yoga workout and not something more intense. Not that the yoga from P90X isn't intense, but I don't have to lift heavy weight or jump around like in Plyo. :flowerforyou: I am still eating on track. I used to have one cheat meal a week, but I am NOT going to have one this week! I would like to make it to Valentine's Day before going out to eat. Let's hope I make it!0
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Yoga is done! It was quite obvious that I haven't done that particular workout in a looooooooooong time as I struggled with balance nearly the whole time. :blushing: And I didn't have the strength for those "extra" push-ups that Tony does in between plank and downward dog. But, it's OK. I still burned some calories and got through the workout. I felt my abs working really hard towards the end, so that's good news too. As soon as my body fat goes away, I just might be able to see some abs since they are getting strong. Woo hoo!!!0
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Thanks for the strength advice! It was really useful. I'm only spending about 15-20 minutes max on most days on strength tho. Do you think that that's enough? (I'm adopting you as my fitness guru btw, I hope you don't mind ) I see loads of women at the gym who do like 45 minutes! No idea how they don't get fed up!
Well done for doing your yoga. And I'm sure your fitness level will get back to where it was really, really fast. I didn't run for about 5 months earlier this year, got back onto the treadmill and after a week or 2 I was almost at the same level again. It'll all come back
I decided to make one of my new years resolutions to be a regular yoga or pilates goer - I think I'm going to try pilates. First lesson coming up next week, woohoo!
PJilly - wow 23.5% is great! What are you aiming for?0 -
OMG, Legs & Back really has my whole body shakin' today. I used light weights (like 15 pounds) on the exercises where weight was optional, and I wasn't able to do all 25 reps...but I got to at least 12 so I feel accomplished there. This will make my lean muscle mass grow faster, for sure! I was also better at the pull-ups today, so maybe soon I can do at least a chin-up without assistance. I'll get there! And once again I saw great improvements with Ab Ripper X. That first day was killer, but today was the 3rd time doing it so it did get easier. :bigsmile:
Xmaxine89, does your gym offer PiYo? It's basically yoga and pilates combined into one great workout. It was created by the same person that does Turbo Jam. I want to go to the training for that one and be an instructor...but mainly so I can get the DVD's for my house. I've heard it is a huge calorie burner. I've never actually done pilates, but I bet combines with yoga would just killer.
I hope everyone is having a great day and keeping up with workouts. I am so proud of myself for making it this far without one single cheat on my food! I didn't even have a peanut butter cookie last night at work when there were literally 4 plates full of fresh homemade cookies...and PB cookies are my favorite! I was so good. I think the fact that I made some for Christmas and ate them like a pig last week before starting this program helped out, lol!0 -
Lyadeia – I remember how sometimes those pushups in Yoga X are just too much if you’re already tired, and you had a tiring day for sure. Legs & Back was always one of my favorite X workouts because I love working legs. I’m sure that’s why I love doing Debbie Siebers, aka the Squat Nazi, workouts.
xmaxine89 – Thanks! My dream is to get my body fat below 20%. But unless I do the work, it really is just a dream!
Whew, I had a really busy day yesterday. I didn’t get my workout done until much later than usual, but I got it done. I also got my body comp done. My previous body fat was actually 22.28%, and yesterday it was 23.17%. That’s not terrible, but it’s not moving toward my ultimate goal of being below 20%, which I sort of put on the back burner these last few months. I deliberately went into maintenance mode after reaching my goal weight range. I just felt like it was the right thing to do – to give my body a rest – and I think I was probably right. But now, I feel like my body has adjusted to my new weight and is ready to go to the next level. I’m feeling super motivated to do this, so I’m committing right now to doing the work even after the motivation wears off, which it will. It always does. That’s pretty much a given. You just have to know that and have a plan for how you're going to handle it. My goal is body fat percentage, but I estimate the weight that goes along with that goal to be about 130, so I suppose I should update my ticker now. Time to cut the calories a bit, darn it. :laugh:
I hope you’re all having a great Saturday. I have an 80-minute workout scheduled (Tear It Up from Slim Series). I also have a ton of housework to do. I managed to neglect the house the last few days. It’s amazing how out of control it can get in such a short amount of time.
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I normally don't check my weight once a week, but I decided to try it this time. Of course I probably won't be recording anything "bad" lol so if it is TOM then that weight don't count. :bigsmile:
But I am happy to say that today I weighed in at 143.6 which is 1.6 pounds lower than last week!!! I hope that I can keep up this pace for at least a couple of weeks longer so I can see the new scale count me in at somewhere in the 130s. I also hope the scale at work cooperates because I am in the Biggest Loser contest there and I want it to be accurate so I help my team out.
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I normally don't check my weight once a week, but I decided to try it this time. Of course I probably won't be recording anything "bad" lol so if it is TOM then that weight don't count. :bigsmile:
But I am happy to say that today I weighed in at 143.6 which is 1.6 pounds lower than last week!!! I hope that I can keep up this pace for at least a couple of weeks longer so I can see the new scale count me in at somewhere in the 130s. I also hope the scale at work cooperates because I am in the Biggest Loser contest there and I want it to be accurate so I help my team out.
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Today I was planning on making my homemade cheese pizza for lunch and throwing together a Greek salad for dinner. This would have kept me at about 1200 calories for the day. But for some reason, the dough that I made for the crust did not turn out right at all. I followed my recipe exactly how I always do, but it just didn't work out. So I had to go back to the store and see if I could find something pre-made that wasn't horrible. Well, I did the best I could, but it wasn't great. I mean it tasted great, but it was really high calorie! My dough makes a medium size thin crust pizza with slightly more than 250 calories for the whole thing. The lowest calorie one I found had 719 calories in the whole thing. So I decided to not eat the Greek salad. (I am NOT and I have NEVER been or will be one of those people that can stop at just a couple of slices...when I have pizza, it's the whole thing or nothing at all. That's why I love my crust recipe, because I can make a whole medium pizza with just 500 or less calories!) When I logged in the calories and took out my other recipes, I was still over on my goal. So even though this was supposed to be a rest day, I decided to do some cardio to burn some of those calories off. For me, it is always better to throw in some exercise instead of feeling guilty for eating too much on a rest day. Thank goodness for MFP, because without this website, I wouldn't have done that! I wouldn't have even known how over on calories I was.
Hopefully my crust turns out better this coming Sunday when I try it again!0 -
I am just so proud of myself after today's workout! I did more reps on the push-ups and pull-ups than either set of last week's workout. I also increased my weights on the exercises using dumbells. And, I am getting close to doing all of the reps on Ab Ripper X. I still struggle with it, but I am progressing by leaps and bounds! I honestly feel that I am progressing so fast because of my nutrition as well as the intensity I put in to the workouts. We all love our cheat meals, but seriously, when you are training to get more fit, I have honestly found out that I just do better when my diet is spot on. Today is Day 8 without a cheat. I have been under my calorie goal each day and I have not added anything to my meal plans. I feel great!
Hmmm...that sounds like a blog, doesn't it? Might have to copy and paste that one, hehe! :bigsmile: :bigsmile: :bigsmile:0 -
Nope, never heard of Piyo before! I went to my first pilates class yesterday - I really really don't think it was for me. I got so bored! I've signed up for yoga on Thursday so hopefully that'll be a bit more interesting.
Well done on your amazing progress! I agree - when I'm at the gym the day after I've eaten crap it's always a disaster. I find going over calories a bit on healthy food is fine, but once I've attacked the chocolate box I'm really going to struggle the next day.
That homemade pizza sounds amazing btw. How do you do it? I've been fancying pizza recently but figured it was a bit of a no-no atm. I've got 2 killer weekends coming up - my birthday's on friday so I'm having cake, a big meal and a few cocktails with my family and then another meal and way more drinks on saturday with friends, and then my grandmothers 70th bday/25th wedding anniversary party next saturday preceeded by a friday night dinner - eek! So the weekdays will be spent being v. careful - definitely no room for a high calorie pizza for a while!
PJilly - the percentage is going in the right direction - good for you! How much time would you say you put towards strength training a week? I've done lots of cardio in the past but I'm pretty new to this strength training business. Want to get really toned but I have a feeling I'm just not taking it seriously enough/putting enough time in! (ie. 40/45 mins cardio, 15/20 mins strength - I get so bored lol)0 -
Hi all! Man, I am really wanting to eat more the last few days. I've cut my calories from 2100 to 1800, and I'm feeling very sorry for myself. LOL. I'm pretty sure I'll live, though.
xmaxine89, my BF percentage actually went up a tad, but nothing dramatic. It's just a good reminder that I need to stay on top of things or I could very easily undo all my hard work. I have no intention of letting that happen. I got a little sloppy over Christmas, which is why I'm cutting back now before it gets too far gone. For my workouts, I'm doing Slim Series, which is a combination of cardio and light resistance. There are six workouts, and they range from 60 to 80 minutes. One of the workouts is mostly stretching, but the other five are the cardio/resistance combo. In my 20s, I used to spend a lot of time in the gym lifting significantly heavier than I do now. I think it was great for me then, and I'm glad I did it because I think it gave me good foundation, but I like the lighter weights these days. I turned 50 this fall, and I find that my joints feel the strain and stress of heavy weights much more than they used to — at least in my shoulders and elbows. My legs are as strong as ever, and my absolute favorite exercises are squats and deadlifts. Love 'em!
Lyadeia, great job on the push ups and pull ups! Sorry to hear about your pizza crust disaster. I hate it when you have your meals all planned out and then something out of your control comes along and messes it all up. It sounds like you handled it like a pro, though. So many people would have taken that as a sign they should throw in the towel and just have a total blowout. Depending on my mood, I might be one of those people!0 -
My hormones are messing with my chi, lol.
There are so many symptoms that so many different women experience around TOM, and one of the more annoying ones that I have is that I feel sleepy all the time no matter what. I got the same amount of sleep as I normally do, but I woke up just draggin' anyway. I felt like rolling over and taking a nap. In fact, if I laid down right now, I would fall asleep right now. I guess it prevents me from overeating since I am in bed, but it's crazy!
So during today's cardio workout, I pushed I hard as I could make myself push even though I was kinda sleepy. I think it affected my focus as well as the calorie burn. That's OK, though, cause i know the calorie burn difference wasn't that big anyway. I would just like to squeeze every calorie burned that I can from every workout that I do. :bigsmile:
Jill, normally when something like that would happen to me in the past, I would throw in the towel. In fact, the thought of ordering a Domino's pizza actually ran through my brain. Then I thought that those things are like 1200 calories in half the pizza...so I decided against that. I haven't actually gone out to eat since starting my new program, so I am proud of myself for that. I had been eating out a minimum of 2 times per week, and it sure wasn't anything good for me.
I will post that pizza crust recipe later for you (tomorrow I think). Right now I have to get ready to go to work and leave early since the roads are icy and slushy. I hope I make it... :ohwell:0 -
Wow, I seriously did NOT feel like workout out today. I pushed through anyway and got it done. I did not have time for the ab workout, so I will either get it in on Saturday instead or I will just forget about it completely and move on. I got the real calorie burner out of the way and was actually able to increase either weights or reps on EVERY exercise!
I don't know why, but when I have no motivation to workout and I workout anyway, I end up having the best workouts. How about you guys?0 -
Well done on ploughing on through! I know what you mean - I find that when I'm feeling really motivated I set myself big goals for the workout and then when I get tired, start to get disheartened. When I'm just not in the mood though, I bargain with myself and say something like "just 30 minutes of cardio and a couple of situps" .. but then once I get going and I realise I can do more, I do! And then you feel sooo proud of yourself!
I've started writing notes on the weights I'm using and I've set myself a target - increase my reps by 2 each time I workout that muscle group until I reach 12. Once I've reached 12, unless I'm really struggling and I'm not ready, I go up a weight. Maybe that's what you're supposed to do anyway, I dunno, but I'm v. excited about my plan! Realised these past 4 months at the gym have been close to wasted strength training-wise because I just haven't been pushing myself to improve.
Mmmmm dominos. So, so good. Although, last time I had it I went from regular, good losses to a massive plateau. It lasted about a month and started LITERALLY the day after. Boo. So I think I'll be resisting for a while
Weighed in today - 125!! This Christmas weight's all coming off so fast - I'm so relieved. What's also exciting is that I measured my body fat - it was 25.9% before xmas, went up to 26.8% after and now it's 25.8%! I know it's not v accurate and I shouldn't be looking 0.1% increments, but is always nice to see improvement!0 -
Congrats on the weight and body fat loss!!! That's awesome. I don't think it's "bad" to look at those smaller increments at all. I so the same thing cause even the smallest of the small change shows us that we are progressing one way or another. That's why I specifically bought my new scale to measure in fractions of pounds. Cause, say I weigh 140 one week and then the same scale says 140 next week. I'd be annoyed. But what if the new scale said something like 140.8 in week 1 and 140.2 the next week. That's a loss and I can be very happy about it cause it means the scale moved in the right direction. :flowerforyou:
I'm getting this day started a little late because of some reason, I really slept in today. I never sleep this long, but to be honest, ir really felt great and I know that I wouldn't have done it if my body didn't need it.
I really need to figure out this morning dehydration problem. I know that we tend to be dehydrated the most when we wake up, but I am sooo sick of having a drink 2-3 glasses of water in the morning just to get this cotton mouth feeling to go away. I am drinking over 9 glasses total each day and feel like if I drink more, I will do nothing but pee all day, lol. It's driving me crazy.0 -
Well, because I slept in so long, I once again decided to take my Ab Ripper X routine out of the day. I still got in my hour's worth of Legs & Back, though, so it's OK. I will do my best to make up those to ARX days tomorrow after Turbo Kick and then Sunday. I might do a short cardio workout on Sunday first, maybe something like Fat Blaster from Turbo Jam, because I don't like doing abs without something else first. The first workout always gets my abs warmed up and ready to workout.
I am looking forward to Monday's weigh-in because once again I am just doing really great this week. I am really shocked at myself for not having cheated at all (unless you count the 3 measly Gummi Bears that someone at work shared with me 2 nights ago, but that's what, like 10 calories at the most?) and I haven't missed a single workout (I don't even count Ab Ripper X when I enter my exercise for calories burned, so that's OK). Last year I couldn't last half a week, and this year, I have gone almost 2 whole weeks without cheating or falling off the wagon! Such a big accomplishment for me. But I am totally serious about this year reaching my goals and not playing around!!!
I hope you guys are having a great day. I am going to go cook some fish and fix a Greek salad. :flowerforyou:0 -
You're clearly firmly back on the wagon! Well done I'm finding this "slow and steady" business promoted on MFP amazing. In the past, whenever I've plateaued I've just given up. Either that or I've stopped before my goal, thinking where I'd got was good enough (only for the novelty to wear off after a week or 2 and have the motivation to start again firmly out the window)... so I've got to admit I'm pretty proud of myself for carrying even though it's taken so long!
So it was my birthday yesterday, and I managed to have a lovely dinner out with my family, including cocktails, chocolate and cream birthday cake, and basically a little of everything I wanted within maintenance calories! (+exercise ones). Out for dinner with friends and lots more alcohol tonight so hopefully will manage to stay within them again. Had a nice, big gym session again today so should be fine. Christmas seems to have satisfied my binge-y tendencies for a while! Definite good news.
On the down side, after quitting smoking a year ago, a couple of months ago I started "social smoking" again (post break up stress) ... and now it's been one or 2 here and there on my own. NOOOOO shame on me. Plus this will NOT help my "get super fit" plan. Hmph. Going to have to nip this in the bud asap I'm thinking0 -
I know just what you mean about stopping short of your goal because of a long plateau. I have done that many times before, but I refuse to do it again. I am looking at it in a completely different way. I am not eating simply to lose weight, but rather, the foods I put into my body all have a specific purpose and they work together for the ultimate purpose of keeping me healthy from head to toe. Losing weight is just a great thing that happens when you are taking care of your body by eating what's good for you. This is not to say that I will never have anything "bad" ever again, cause that's not true at all. But I am not a slave to my food anymore. I dictate what I am going to eat and when I will eat it, not the other way around...so if one day I want that 6 cheese lasagna and chocolate peanut butter cheesecake, I will have it with out all that horrible regret that I used to get every time I would eat out. It's just not worth it. I will work hard to reach my goals and to keep my body healthy, but that does not mean that from time to time I won't give myself a treat. :bigsmile:
I was able to get through today's workout a lot easier than when I did the exact same workout on Tuesday this week. I still drank a little more than 2 cups of water while working out (I always get bad dry mouth during exercise and don't understand how the instructors in the videos can go the whole time with just a couple little sips!) but I didn't have to take as many breaks "just because." I will probably change up and do a different workout next week for my cardio. I will still be doing Turbo Kick, but I have enough rounds to do a different one each week until I finish P90X. And I like to change it up so I don't get bored, lol.
About the smoking, I think that by coming here and admitting that you are doing it is the first step to stopping. Cause that means that you recognize your own habits and feel that they need to change. That's always a good thing because we all have a lot of habits that we maybe shouldn't do but yet we don't recognize them as "bad" habits. I'm sure you will get through this and meet your goals. It's just a little bump in the road, but you haven't stopped. Just keep moving and doing what you know is good for your body!
Have a great evening everyone. I gotta go back to work again...blah! :flowerforyou:0 -
YAY, the pizza dough worked out just fine this time!!! :bigsmile: :bigsmile: :bigsmile: I still am shaking my head at last week's attempt since I did the exact same thing. Oh well.
I decided to do Fat Blaster today, which is a short Turbo Jam workout but still burns plenty of calories. My cardio is really getting a lot better, so I am thankful for that.
Tomorrow is going to be another busy today, and I think that I might have to either workout early in the morning...BLAH...or try hard to squeeze it in the afternoon. I am hoping to be done with the rest of my to-do list by about 3:30 so I can be home by 4, workout at 4:30-5:30, and then still make time for my massage appointment without feeling rushed. In fact, I think that I am just simply going to CHOOSE TO BE DONE with the to-do list by no later than 4:00. It's MY to-do list anyway, so I can choose when things get done on it. :flowerforyou: I thank Chalene for her challenge and helping me out with the to-do list!!!0 -
Tomorrow morning is another weigh-in for me...should I be nervous? I mean, it is TOM...but I have done really well on my nutrition and my exercise. I mean, wow, I've gone 14 days straight without a single cheat (unless you count those 3 gummi bears I mentioned a few days ago) and I've gone 14 days straight exercising each day...so I know that I am on the right track but I don't want to know what TOM has to say about it, though, haha!!! I'll just keep my fingers crossed and if the scale is mean, then I am sure it will go down again next Monday because TOM will be gone by then. :flowerforyou:0
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I just weighed in at 142.2 pounds which is another 1.4 pounds gone!!! So I am averaging 1.5 pounds per week by exercising intensely 6 days a week and moderately on the 7th while keeping my food between 1300 and 1500 calories per day. I added more protein to my diet than MFP originally allows and lowered the amount of fat to around 20%. I think I am doing pretty good so far. I can't believe I actually lost weight during TOM!!!0
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OK, so I just did the math...since P90X lasts for 13 weeks, if I continue to lose weight at the same rate each week, then I will be 125.7 pounds when I finish!!! And that is totally awesome since my goal weight is actually 125. :bigsmile: :bigsmile: :bigsmile: :bigsmile: :bigsmile: :bigsmile: :bigsmile: :bigsmile: :bigsmile: :bigsmile:0
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You are doing amazingly well. Congrats!
I feel like I'm all over the place. I can't get my head straight about whether I am perfectly content to be back in my 135 to 140 range and eat accordingly for that or if I am shooting for <20% body fat, which would mean eating to lose another 5-ish pounds. I was all gung ho to lose just a little bit more, but going back to eating at a deficit was way harder than I expected it to be. I decided I need to go back to the mindset of doing this for health, not vanity, and I went back to maintenance, which felt much better ... for a couple of days. I was convinced that was the best plan. But now I'm feeling like I wussed out and should try to lose a little more, and for some reason, that scares me. What the heck is wrong with my brain anyway? I can justify either approach. I just can't seem to pick one and stick with it.
Lordy, I must not have enough to worry about if this is the thing that's stressing me out. Spelling it out in writing makes me feel a little lame. Thanks for indulging me for a few minutes and putting up with my whining.
One thing I DO know for sure is that I want your pizza crust recipe!0 -
I almost didn't workout today. I woke up with only 4 hours of sleep and then had so much stuff to get done that I didn't get it all done until around 8:00 in the evening. I was really tired, so I took about a 2 hour nap. When I woke up, I watched Bill Cosby on HBO and then I got my workout in. I ate everything that I had planned to eat and drank plenty of water. And my workout was great because once again I was going up on weights or reps on every exercise. I am still not at the point where I can do any pull-ups unassisted, but I am sure that I will get there soon.
The pizza crust is really easy to make. In one bowl, mix 1 cup of warm water with 1 tsp. of dry active yeast and 1 tbsp. of honey. Set it aside for 5 minutes. In a large bowl, mix 1 cup of whole wheat flour, 1/4 cup all purpose flour, and 1/4 tsp of salt (I use "No Salt" which tastes the same only it is potassium chloride with no sodium in it at all). Then pour the liquid into the flour and mix with a fork until dough forms. Then knead with your hands to form a dough ball and everything is all mixed and blended. Cover the bowl in aluminum foil and set in the sink which has about 4 inches of standing hot water in it. Let that stand for about 45 minutes. Punch the dough ball with your fingers and then cover again letting stand for about 30 minutes. Then you just roll the dough on the counter with a little extra whole wheat flour into the crust shape and size that you like. I normally either cut it into 2 parts and make the equivalent of 2 medium thin crust pizzas or sometimes I use the whole dough ball and make 1 large thick crust pizza. I like to cook it for about 5 minutes on 450 degrees to get it crispy and then add the sauce and toppings and cook again for about 5 more minutes or so.
Each medium thin crust or half of a large (half the recipe) has only 285 calories. Normally when I pre-bake the crust, I add about 1 tbsp. of melted Smart Balance buttery spread and some spices. Also, I normally make just plain ol' cheese pizza and I use an entire package of 2% Kraft shredded mozzarella on 1 entire pizza. My normal serving of that entire medium thin crust pizza normally has between 500-600 calories total, but if you eat less than the whole pizza like most people tend to do, then obviously the calorie count is much lower. I also love my cheese and tend to use more than other people, lol. :flowerforyou:
Have a good night everyone. I am going to shove off to bed now.0 -
Thanks for the crust recipe. I am looking forward to trying it. It sounds like the perfect complement to my newfound fat-free roasted garlic recipe! :bigsmile: That "No Salt" sounds interesting. I may have to give it a try. I don't really track my sodium. My BP tends to be on the low side of normal, but I'm sure it couldn't hurt to cut back anyway.
After I posted yesterday, I went back to bed and took a nap for a couple of hours. I never nap, but I really needed that. I felt so much better after I woke up, and I had a great workout then. I didn't sleep well last night at all for some reason. It wasn't for lack of being sleepy and tired, that's for sure.
Time to wake my son up to get ready for school. Have a great Tuesday!0 -
After I posted yesterday, I went back to bed and took a nap for a couple of hours. I never nap, but I really needed that. I felt so much better after I woke up, and I had a great workout then. I didn't sleep well last night at all for some reason. It wasn't for lack of being sleepy and tired, that's for sure.
That is pretty much exactly how I was yesterday! I was really tired when I went to bed, but for some reason only got 4 hours of sleep. But I took a nice nap on the couch and then I was able to push out a really great workout. I slept good after that, though. I think it was around 4 am or so when I finally went to bed, and I slept for about 8-9 hours. It was great! :bigsmile:0 -
The scale at work is always different from what I weigh myself at home, so I do not take it as truth. However, I have to use that scale for the Biggest Loser contest that we are doing. This morning was the second weigh-in, and it was 3 pounds lighter than what it was 2 weeks ago. So, even though the scales tell me something different, they are both telling me that I am losing weight at about 1.5 pounds per week! WOO HOO!!! :bigsmile:0
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Schweet! :happy:0
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I didn't want to workout at all today, but I pushed my way through Yoga X anyway. I feel like my flexibility is getting better because there were some things that I couldn't do last week and especially not 2 weeks ago that I am doing much better with now. Hopefully it won't be too long before I can do things like the crane pose without having to cheat with my toes tapping the floor. I wonder if I will lose another 1.5 pounds or so this week? I hope so!!!0
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Lyadeai,
Congrats with your weight loss !
I'm starting next week with p90x.
You are eating 1400 calories plus exercise calories am I Right?
Do you think that works for me too?
Im 25 years old 5'7" and my weight is156 lbs. My first weight goal is 145 lbs.
ratio: 30% carbs 50% proteins 20% fat ?0
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