10 Dieting Myths article

This article has a few good points... but so many things that also make me want to scream. The doctor that gave this advice did not support their answers with enough information, so now instead of believing the first myth, they will have some new misinformation to go reciting to people.... IMHO of course.

Thought I'd share to get a discussion going about it

http://healthyliving.msn.com/weight-loss/10-dieting-myths-you-have-to-stop-believing#1

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  • deborahmills22
    deborahmills22 Posts: 44 Member
    Everyone is different and this weight loss thing is difficult at best doing it on your own. But doctors like her are very expensive and usually not covered under insurance. I agree, that she didn't give enough information to help anyone out in a meaningful way. The article adds to the confusion over what is best for an individual, implying that you need someone like her to figure it out.
  • fangedneko
    fangedneko Posts: 133 Member
    If someone is going to lose weight on her own, she needs to take it off as quickly as possible, says Decotiis.

    Stopped reading right there.
  • CLM1227
    CLM1227 Posts: 61 Member
    Interesting...

    1) Slow & Steady - I know that for people with a significant amount of weight to lose, it can be daunting, disheartening, and frustrating to do slow & steady at first. There have been medical weight loss efforts aimed at severely obese that focus on rapid initial weight loss and then work to a lower rate of loss once at a certain point. In these extreme cases, I am in agreement with the article. However, most people losing smaller amounts of weight, slower is better. I don't know what the cut off should be, but certainly all your weight loss should not be in free-fall no matter how big or small you are. At some point, you need to slow it down and lose the rest at a slow pace.

    2) Fruits & Vegetables - she's not really focusing on the same thing. GMOs are not chemicals. They are genetically modified organisms. Now, GMOs we can't do much about unless you are growing and eating heirlooms from your own garden. Pesticides and chemicals are gone around by eating organic. Most people pursuing healthy lifestyles and eating fruits and vegetables generally do know about the differences between organic and not.

    As to her other point on sugar, we eat food for more than just energy - we eat them for nutrients. And fruits and vegetables, while they shouldn't be the only source of food in a diet, are incredibly nutrient dense. Which makes them GOOD.

    3) No problems here. Its one of my biggest pet peeve in the yogurt industry. Its been years and still pissed Greek Yogurt jumped on the low-fat bandwagon.

    4) Cleanses and Detoxes - she only focused on commercial ones. While in (2), she complains about chemicals and toxins slowing weight loss, she says no to cleanses and detoxes and doesn't even mention natural and balanced cleanses with limited chemicals, toxins, and sugars... which dovetails into her next point...

    5) Elimination diets - Cutting foods is a means to find a food sensitivity. The goal of an elimination diet isn't supposed to be weight loss (which she never addresses), but is about finding food sensitivities or even to break dependence and ... Detoxing! Which, depending on the detox diet, can aid with this:
    "The reason why people have food sensitivities and problems with digestion is not the food but the gut bacteria. When that’s corrected you should be able to digest food. And when you reduce that inflammation, you can then lose weight" (from #5 slide)

    6) Calories In / Calories Out - I largely am not a fan of calories in/calories out, a calorie is a calorie. Macros are more than calories to our bodies - they aid in different functions... And while it is possible to lose weight by treating a calorie as a calorie, it is not possible to remain healthy by treating a calorie as a calorie. However, 3500 calories burned doesn't always mean you burned 1 lb of fat. Sometimes it means you burned some fat and some muscle. And its very difficult to micro-manage those differences so we are ONLY burning fat in 3500 calories lost.

    7) Gluten Free - no problems here except HYPOCRITE!!! (see # 5)

    8) Probiotics - I don't know enough about it. All I know is they are good to take after a round of antibiotics and can help in gut health and bloating in combination with healthy fiber

    9) Fad Diets - duh.

    10) "Over" exercising - she doesn't describe over-exercising. She describes exercising. From experience with trying to eat healthy, dealing with cravings, and working in exercising, exercise helps facilitate the hormone production that changing from unhealthy eating habits can deprive your brain of. Nixxing baked goods, cheese, fried foods deplete you of a "feel good" hormone that leaves you feeling deprived and craving a fix. Exercise can alleviate that by producing new (and sometimes the same) "feel good" hormones. Exercise changes your brain chemistry, making healthy eating feel more natural and less like your swimming up a waterfall.

    My thoughts =p
  • Pinkranger626
    Pinkranger626 Posts: 460 Member
    CLM1227 I am totally with you on all your points. I just felt like this article was so badly done that it's just creating new issues. The whole wait until you lose the weight to exercise thing is such BS. If I focus on just eating better I don't always look better... or feel better. Exercising helps with both issues as well as losing the weight.
  • ana3067
    ana3067 Posts: 5,623 Member
    I really hope no one listens to the article. As CLM did...

    1) Yes, slow and steady IS the way to go. You will easily gain the weight back if you undereat while dieting and then proceed to not keeping track of how you eat during maintenance. Eat a sustainable deficit, figure out your maintenance needs once you reach your goals, and eat to that amount. Adjust maintenance needs any time you notice abnormal weight changes, and you should not gain the weight back.

    2) No food will inherently help or hinder weight loss. GMOs have nothing to do with weight loss. It's the AMOUNT of food you eat and their caloric content that will determine losses/gains.

    3) No, sugar doesn't make you fat. If you eat high-sugar and this causes you to eat over your caloric needs, you will gain weight. This is liek people who say carbs make you fat. Sugar is just a carb, carbs don't make you fat.

    4) Cleanses and detoxes don't help with weight loss, but not because of carbs. Again, carbs don't make you fat. But there is absolutely no time when a detox or cleanse is needed; your body handles this JUST fine on its own.

    5) I guess I agree? Elimination diets will not inherently make you lose weight. Many people though do lose weight via certain types because they wind up eating far fewer calories than they realize. Not always, but it will happen. But IME if you eliminate something for GI reasons, they will not be resolved to the point where you can once again resume eating this specific food again. If that's the case, then you've either given yourbody enough time (years liekly) to no longer be allergic/intolerant to the food, or it was never an issue to begin with.

    6) .... It is ALL about calories in/out. If your BMR happens to be much lower than it should be, then that simply means that it may take you longer to figure out waht an appropriate deficit actually is for you and to find your true maintenance. Otherwise, many people wind up effing with their metabolism due to undereating, so "reverse dieting" back up to the estimated caloric needs for their weight and activity level can often result in the increased calories no longer causing weight gain.

    7) Yes, GF foods don't mean you'll lose weight. But it's fine to eat GF if you choose, because it's all about eating below your maintenance caloric needs.

    8) No comment on this because I do not use probiotics.

    9) Both correct and incorrect. Fad diets do not work. But losing weight is NOT "about a combination of a healthy diet and exercise." Exercise can help with weight loss, but it should not be viewed as a weight loss tool primarily. Exercise's function is to improve your health and possibly your aesthetics if you lift weights. But you can eat all lthe "unhealthy" foods you want and still lose becuase.... calories in/out.

    10) Over-exercising isn't needed, but one should not wait until they are near their goal weigh to start exercising if overall health and aesthetics are important to them. Because again, exercise is not done for weight loss, but for health and fitness and to help with body composition.
  • sakuragreenlily
    sakuragreenlily Posts: 334 Member
    This has now made its way to the front page of MSN as of this morning... It's a really crummy article with lots of poorly worded, as well as outright bad, advice.
  • JoRocka
    JoRocka Posts: 17,525 Member
    T-Nation just did one on 10 Dieting mistakes women keep making. (least I think it's new- it was new on my feed)

    as usual it's a little inflammatory- but I felt it was actually solid enough to pass on.

    Took a solid stab on the "emotional eating" aspect which I thought was really good- since yes- a big thing with diets it's people eat their emotions- men and women a like.
  • VeryKatie
    VeryKatie Posts: 5,961 Member
    Some of those made me cringe...

    I'd actually heard that taking pro-biotics is useless because your stomach acid kills the cultures before they can get to you "gut" - i.e. intestines.
  • bugaboo_sue
    bugaboo_sue Posts: 552 Member
    No problems here. Its one of my biggest pet peeve in the yogurt industry. Its been years and still pissed Greek Yogurt jumped on the low-fat bandwagon.

    Really? Because I've looked at the sugar content in all yogurts that I have bought and just so you know the plain non fat Chobani Greek and their "blended" non fat yogurt have the same amount of sugar: 4g. The only difference is the non fat uses skim milk. The fruit filled ones on the other hand have a TON of sugar in them. Strawberry for example has 23 grams for just 1 cup!
  • csuhar
    csuhar Posts: 779 Member
    If someone is going to lose weight on her own, she needs to take it off as quickly as possible, says Decotiis.

    Stopped reading right there.

    "When he becomes closer to his goal weight, that’s when it is appropriate to start up a well-thought-out exercise program."

    ... is where I REALLY stopped paying attention. I agree that diet is incredibly important for weight loss, and arguably more important than exercise, because it's very easy to undo a workout with a food binge. I also agree that over-exercising can be counterproductive.

    But I'm a big believer in starting now, because if you get in the habit of putting something off for later, you'll stay in that habit instead of picking up the new one you've been putting off.


    ETA: I checked out her website and saw this:

    "Dr. Sue Decotiis, a firm believer in supplements, addressed the lack of supplement effectiveness by creating her own medical grade supplement line for her busy New York City clinical practice. Dr. Sue is proud to announce the launch of her new online medical grade best-in-class nutritional supplements store."

    Sounds to me like someone with a vested interest in people coming to a doctor for weight loss and using supplements (especially their own). Those two things aren't necessarily bad, but it does seem like a slight conflict of interest.
  • yopeeps025
    yopeeps025 Posts: 8,680 Member
    T-Nation just did one on 10 Dieting mistakes women keep making. (least I think it's new- it was new on my feed)

    as usual it's a little inflammatory- but I felt it was actually solid enough to pass on.

    Took a solid stab on the "emotional eating" aspect which I thought was really good- since yes- a big thing with diets it's people eat their emotions- men and women a like.

    T nation has taught me a lot. This article in OP was ridiculous.
  • BombshellPhoenix
    BombshellPhoenix Posts: 1,693 Member
    Wow thanks for the morning giggle, I guess. "Let's get rid of some myths but adding some myths."