What if I am just meant to be fat?
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Personally, I don't believe anyone is meant to be fat. Being overweight is the result of many bad choices over a long period of time. To lose weight, you have to change your mindset. You have to make lifestyle changes, I used to weigh 366 pounds on a 5'2" frame. I ate whatever I wanted whenever I wanted without regard of the damage it was doing to my body. To lose the 100 that I have lost, I have had to do a complete change in my thinking and my habits. Yes, you can lose weight by restricting calories BUT that isn't going to fix the problem. Part of the reason people eat in excess is because their bodies are not getting the nutrition that is so much needed,. You can't get what your body needs from a constant diet of fast food, both restaurant and microwave junk. The best food for our bodies is whole foods, fruits and veggies are my friends. Junk food is my enemy.
Exercise, for me, is a must. Not only does it burn calories, it helps in curbing my appetite and fighting boredom eating. Try out different things. I have found that I love running but that may not be your forte. Try various physical activities until you find one that resonates with you. When you find that activity...work it for all it's worth.
Losing weight is not impossible. Don't buy into the lie that you are just meant to be fat. Get up, get moving, change what you are eating for the better and watch the results.0 -
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Lots of good and/ or interesting advice. My first observation - your diary is not open so we can't see what you are doing, therefore, can't really do much but guess. So, be honest and open it up for people to see and provide feedback.0
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No, your body isn't sentient. It doesn't think anything.
Drop your calories lower under the guidance of your doctor. See how you do at 1,300 for 4-6 weeks. Nothing changes, drop it down to 1,200 and see what happens after a few more weeks. Keep everything else the same.0 -
I ate a paleo diet last year for 3 months and didn't lose but I didn't gain during that time either. I make good choices and I like healthy food. I also drink a gallon of water a day.
I wanted to comment on this section separately. It doesn't matter how "healthy" the food is you eat, if you eat too much of it and achieve a calorie surplus you will gain weight.
I really don't like the logic of why people follow the paleo diet. The idea here is that if you eat like humans did in the Paleolithic era that you will be healthier like they were. That logic is terrible, first have you even seen a person from that era and thought, man he looked amazing? You realize that people in that era also didn't have a guaranteed meal and had to gather / hunt and kill for their meals as well? Driving to the local whole foods doesn't count as hunting, sorry.
Paleo works in my opinion due to the amounts of restrictions on the diet. You can't go to McDonald's, or eat twinkies and ice cream and all of that jazz. So if you eat fresh meats, veggies and fruits then it's less likely you are going to over indulge. There's no stopping by starbucks every morning for your double double white mocha with extra whipped cream, cavemen didn't have that.
The problem with following a restrictive diet like paleo is it won't last forever. How long can you really last on a diet that doesn't let you have all of your favorite foods? There's nothing wrong with cutting out processed foods from your diet, in fact I wish they would just call it the no processed food diet, but I guess that's too boring. You get really good at eating paleo and maybe even lose the weight you desired, but then you go back to eating like you did before and all the tips and tricks you learned eating paleo are useless now.
Better idea, eat all of your favorite foods and still lose weight. IIFYM is a flexible dieting technique that in addition to watching your over all calories for the day you also track the amounts of fats, proteins and carbs you consume in the day. I love flexible dieting because as long as I reach my fat minimum goal and protein minimum goal for the day I'm doing well, and if I go over those goals its ok, I just consume less carbs. Best of all, following IIFYM is something you can do the rest of your life.
My problem with the Paleo diet is: Why do people assume that cavemen had the best diet? They were scavengers, hunters and nomads for the most part- they were physically strong because they had to be in order to survive. They walked EVERY place they went, ran full blast after an animal and killed it brute strength and stone clubs. Their activity level was far higher than anyone in the modern era and their meals were far from consistent. I just have a hard time believing the Paleolithic era was the pinnacle of human nutrition. I know they say its what man "evolved" eating- but if you look at it truthfully, what man "evolved" eating was different all over the world. In order to stay in line with what your people ate during their evolution you would have to trace your lineage back to the paleolithic era, which would be pretty hard.
If I had to pick a time period, I would say Ancient Romans probably had the best diet. They had consistent access to food, it was minimally processed, high in good fats (fish, olives, nuts), had plenty of protein (Roman soldiers were required by law to eat a certain amount of meat each day) and I think you'd be hard pressed to find a civilization that was more physically fit. But regardless of the quality of food, quantity is what determines whether or not you will lose weight.
The Romans also had epic cheat meals, for example the Satyricon's Dinner at Trimalchio's.
Of course, by epic I don't mean I'd want to join in.0 -
I ate a paleo diet last year for 3 months and didn't lose but I didn't gain during that time either. I make good choices and I like healthy food. I also drink a gallon of water a day.
I wanted to comment on this section separately. It doesn't matter how "healthy" the food is you eat, if you eat too much of it and achieve a calorie surplus you will gain weight.
I really don't like the logic of why people follow the paleo diet. The idea here is that if you eat like humans did in the Paleolithic era that you will be healthier like they were. That logic is terrible, first have you even seen a person from that era and thought, man he looked amazing? You realize that people in that era also didn't have a guaranteed meal and had to gather / hunt and kill for their meals as well? Driving to the local whole foods doesn't count as hunting, sorry.
Paleo works in my opinion due to the amounts of restrictions on the diet. You can't go to McDonald's, or eat twinkies and ice cream and all of that jazz. So if you eat fresh meats, veggies and fruits then it's less likely you are going to over indulge. There's no stopping by starbucks every morning for your double double white mocha with extra whipped cream, cavemen didn't have that.
The problem with following a restrictive diet like paleo is it won't last forever. How long can you really last on a diet that doesn't let you have all of your favorite foods? There's nothing wrong with cutting out processed foods from your diet, in fact I wish they would just call it the no processed food diet, but I guess that's too boring. You get really good at eating paleo and maybe even lose the weight you desired, but then you go back to eating like you did before and all the tips and tricks you learned eating paleo are useless now.
Better idea, eat all of your favorite foods and still lose weight. IIFYM is a flexible dieting technique that in addition to watching your over all calories for the day you also track the amounts of fats, proteins and carbs you consume in the day. I love flexible dieting because as long as I reach my fat minimum goal and protein minimum goal for the day I'm doing well, and if I go over those goals its ok, I just consume less carbs. Best of all, following IIFYM is something you can do the rest of your life.
My problem with the Paleo diet is: Why do people assume that cavemen had the best diet? They were scavengers, hunters and nomads for the most part- they were physically strong because they had to be in order to survive. They walked EVERY place they went, ran full blast after an animal and killed it brute strength and stone clubs. Their activity level was far higher than anyone in the modern era and their meals were far from consistent. I just have a hard time believing the Paleolithic era was the pinnacle of human nutrition. I know they say its what man "evolved" eating- but if you look at it truthfully, what man "evolved" eating was different all over the world. In order to stay in line with what your people ate during their evolution you would have to trace your lineage back to the paleolithic era, which would be pretty hard.
If I had to pick a time period, I would say Ancient Romans probably had the best diet. They had consistent access to food, it was minimally processed, high in good fats (fish, olives, nuts), had plenty of protein (Roman soldiers were required by law to eat a certain amount of meat each day) and I think you'd be hard pressed to find a civilization that was more physically fit. But regardless of the quality of food, quantity is what determines whether or not you will lose weight.
The Romans also had epic cheat meals, for example the Satyricon's Dinner at Trimalchio's.
Of course, by epic I don't mean I'd want to join in.
I hope that you are aware that the Satyricon is a work of fiction.0 -
You said your counting your calories and keeping them around 1400? But what are you eating? Are you eating clean? Fruit veg lean protein etc?
And it doesn't matter for weight loss if s/he is eating 1500 cal of carrots (just over 8 lb) or 1500 cal of bacon (just over 12 oz), as long as that 1500 cal is below what her/his body needs s/he will lose weight.
That's the problem - s/he is eating more than her/his body needs.
The reason doesn't matter.
The solution is to eat less.How do you know that someone is eating too much. My tdee per IIFYM calculator is 2432. If Iuse the calculator more it says to lose weight 1860 is my calories.
how is 500 deficit the magic number, when so many people on here say they've had much success with 1400-1500 calories. It makes me think that my 1860 is ridiculously high, and therefore the reason I've lost no weight.
500 cal per day is 3500 cal per week, which is generally 1 lb of fat.
Ignore TDEE, ignore net calories, ignore exercise calories.
Find your healthy goal weight (based on BMI), multiply by 10, and you have your total calorie goal.
The people who are succeeding on 1500 cal probably have an actual need for 2000 cal per day.
(10 cal per lb is to lose weight. Once you get to a healthy weight, you should eat closer to 15 cal per lb.)Maybe I gained weight due to the change of not having the pill. It just doesn't seem like that alone would be the reason for gaining this much.
It doesn't matter why - maybe you're eating a big mac 3x a day, or maybe your hormones are off so your body isn't burning calories as efficiently.
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Exercise is good, controlling calories in is better.
"Most weight loss occurs because of decreased caloric intake. However, evidence shows the only way to maintain weight loss is to be engaged in regular physical activity."
"To maintain your weight: work your way up to 150 minutes of moderate-intensity aerobic activity, 75 minutes of vigorous-intensity aerobic activity, or an equivalent mix of the two each week."
(To lose weight, you might need to do twice that much.)
http://www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/physical_activity/index.html
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Eat breakfast.
In fact, have about half your total daily calories at breakfast.
This study compared eating a small breakfast, medium lunch, and large dinner, [200, 500, 700 cal]
with eating a large breakfast, medium lunch, and small dinner [700, 500, 200 cal].
"The [large breakfast] group showed greater weight loss and waist circumference reduction ... fasting glucose, insulin [&] triglycerides ... decreased significantly to a greater extent in the [large breakfast] group."
In addition, hunger was less and satiety was greater.
Abstract: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23512957
Full text:
http://genetics.doctorsonly.co.il/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Jakubowicz-at-al-Obesity-2013-oby20460.pdf
"subjects assigned to high caloric intake during breakfast lost significantly more weight than those assigned to high caloric intake during the dinner"
Abstract: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24467926
Full text: http://www.tradewindsports.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Nutrient-Timing-and-Obesity-2014.pdf
"data suggest that a low-calorie Mediterranean diet with a higher amount of calories in the first part of the day could establish a greater reduction in fat mass and improved insulin sensitivity than a typical daily diet."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24809437
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Do you have a realistic goal weight?
Look at a BMI chart http://www.shapeup.org/bmi/bmi6.pdf and choose something in the green range.
If you're obese, aim for the hightest number in the green range to start with, then re-evaluate once you get there.
Do you have a realistic calorie goal?
There are 2 ways to come at this.
1 - multiply your current weight by 10, then subtract 500 to lose 1 lb per week, 1000 to lose 2 lb if you're obese. As you lose weight, you'll have to drop by 50-100 cal as you hit plateaus. Don't go under 1200 unless you're being monitored by a doctor or you're very short.
2 - multiply your healthy goal weight by 10. See above about going under 1200.
Ignore "net" calories, ignore exercise calories. Those are a bonus toward losing weight.
(This is what my doctor told me.)
Once in a while if you're really hungry at the end of the day, have 1/3 - 1/2 of that day's exercise calories as a snack.0 -
I think changes can be so gradual and small and slow that they creep up on you. Then one day you'll try something on, or see yourself in the mirror, and see a difference. If you keep at whatever you're doing, that is. So try not to feel too discouraged and keep at it, and remember it's more of a marathon than a sprint.0
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Give it time.It takes time to lose weight0
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Open up the food and exercise diaries of fellow MFP friends that are where you want to be.....are you doing what they are doing? Honestly are you putting in the blood, sweat and tears they are putting in day after day? I can tell you one thing right now, successful MFPer's don't whine on these forums about how hard it is and woe is me, they redouble their efforts and work that much harder. This is a war for the rest of your life and it will never be easy. Is it worth it? Are you worth it? Of course it is and of course you are, but only YOU can do the work it takes. Now get up and FIGHT!0
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Is this even possible??? Can your body just like where it is and that is why you don't lose? I am so sad that nothing changes despite my effort. I feel defeated. Depressed. Disgusting.
Short answer, NO, its not possible. Unless you have a major medical condition. And if that`s the case, your answer is at your Dr`s. office.
Lack of drive and a low level of "want" is what causes it. People say they want something constantly, but really don`t do what it takes to make it happen. Then look for excuses and seek the answers that they want to hear.
Now don`t take that as me beating up on you, because I`m not. That`s just my opinion why the majority doesn't reach their goals.
So my advise, find new friends who are doers, and hang with them. It will rub off if you don`t reject it.0 -
No, I don't think anyone is meant to be fat. I do believe that our body has it's own ideal weight but it would never choose to be naturally obese. I don't think it plays along with BMI, of course you would feel better at your ideal weight according to BMI, but I don't think that would make much difference being a few pounds overweight either.0
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Just never believe you are meant to be fat. That is what people who couldn't care less think, and you aren't one of those people, otherwise you wouldn't be doing MFP. I know people who don't like their weight, but won't do anything about it and expect it to just magically correct itself. Most people don't have the drive we do to make it happen rather than just sit about and hope.0
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Is this even possible??? Can your body just like where it is and that is why you don't lose? I am so sad that nothing changes despite my effort. I feel defeated. Depressed. Disgusting.
You need to stop thinking that way. I used to think that way because my Mum struggled with her weight and it's more difficult for me to lose weight as well. NOBODY is "ment" to be fat. You just need to change your attitude and work for it.0 -
I think like that allllllll the time. I swear my body is different from everyone elses and wants to stay this way. :-(
but it won't do us any good to think like this........IMO for people like us I feel in order to lose serious pounds I would most likely need a personal trainer, and I would need to be working out 6 days a week for more than an hour..I guess our bodies are stubborn! good luck with your journey though, don't give up.
This makes me sad No you don't need a personal trainer, believe me it took me a couple years to lose nearly 30lb and although I am thin now, I'm not at my ideal thin weight in my mind. It will take a long time, and like you my body is stubborn too. But you have to keep going. It is gradual, because it is a healthy way. At least you aren't a silly person who does Juiceplus which takes your money, gets you to shed waterweight fast, then when you eat you put it back on. You are going the right way so please never give up.0 -
I started out at 5'1" and 172 in January. I've stayed around 1300-1400 cals per day, eating back some exercise calories. I weigh and measure, and I am 62 years old. Now that I am at 147 lbs, I am kind of stalled eating 1300 and have to seriously tighten up or cut back a little. If I stick to 1300, I lose about .3 lbs a week and one cheat day can easily blow that. Just for comparison for other shorties out there.0
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I have read some of the comments above but just want to give my tuppence worth, which I think is different to what others have said!
i have always been overweight, all my life! I also suffer from an auto-immune condition which means I am on quite a few meds. I too felt like you - I'm destined to be fat, I have PCOS, I have always been overweight, have tried every fad diet, had personal trainers, go to the gym and work like a beast, nothing...
Had a baby 9 weeks ago, was put on a high dose of steroids which I'm still trying to wean off, meaning another hurdle to climb! I was really depressed about not only being overweight, but now 20lbs on top of that because of baby!!
Fast forward to 2 weeks ago, I went to my Dr and complained about it, can he refer me to (yet another)specialist.... His response was, PCOS + steroids = one of most difficult weight loss challenges, yet there is ALWAYS, for every single person, a calorie deficit that will allow them to lose weight. He said I should go down to 1,400, stay there for a month, if I don't lose, go down another 100 etc.
I went home, came straight back on MFP, and 14 days later have lost 6 lbs... I have never ever lost this much so quickly..... I write down every freaking thing I eat, I even weigh the bloody lettuce I eat, but its working! DOn't get me wrong, I have a long way to go, but it has definitely changed my attitude of "I'm destined to be fat"...
add me, I'm happy to support you along your journey
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I have read some of the comments above but just want to give my tuppence worth, which I think is different to what others have said!
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Fast forward to 2 weeks ago, I went to my Dr and complained about it, can he refer me to (yet another)specialist.... His response was, PCOS + steroids = one of most difficult weight loss challenges, yet there is ALWAYS, for every single person, a calorie deficit that will allow them to lose weight. He said I should go down to 1,400, stay there for a month, if I don't lose, go down another 100 etc.
I went home, came straight back on MFP, and 14 days later have lost 6 lbs... I have never ever lost this much so quickly.....
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Your doc is, of course, correct when he says "....there is ALWAYS.....",
...and when he advises that weight loss is a critical step on your journey.
You didn't mention it, but can we "assume" that he also mentioned that the preponderance of recent study results support the hypothesis that:
insulin levels (natural) are one of (if not "the") primary controlling factors in HOW your body utilizes whatever calories you consume?,
that, what "type" of calories (sugars, carbs, proteins, etc) you consume has a MAJOR impact on insulin production (and use),
and that Sugars, Starches, Carbs (the "bad" ones), and pretty much "any" processed foods - ALL contribute in a very negative way to upsetting the insulin "balance"?
If he didn't mention it, I'd be concerned if I were you.
BUT - don't take my word for it - do your own research then ask him why he failed to mention it.
You can thank the USDA and Congress for promulgating the current "misinformation" campaign (the one that resulted in skyrocketing obesity, diabetes, and related numbers) - but the British and EU medical communities are not blameless either.
Europe, and even the Brits are FINALLY beginning to at least acknowledge that "maybe....just maybe the current thinking hasn't exactly produced the results we expected".
There are plenty of links to sites with actual "science" to backup current thinking and here are a couple that may or may not have been posted before but will get you started:
http://tinyurl.com/n4dpohx
http://tinyurl.com/d43z5yn
https://www.dietdoctor.com/science
Best of luck and keep up the great work! (just don't expect the current rate of loss to continue, it will likely decrease, as it should).0 -
Have you tried low carb dieting?0
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LearN;
Your doc is, of course, correct when he says "....there is ALWAYS.....",
...and when he advises that weight loss is a critical step on your journey.
You didn't mention it, but can we "assume" that he also mentioned that the preponderance of recent study results support the hypothesis that:
insulin levels (natural) are one of (if not "the") primary controlling factors in HOW your body utilizes whatever calories you consume?,
that, what "type" of calories (sugars, carbs, proteins, etc) you consume has a MAJOR impact on insulin production (and use),
and that Sugars, Starches, Carbs (the "bad" ones), and pretty much "any" processed foods - ALL contribute in a very negative way to upsetting the insulin "balance"?
If he didn't mention it, I'd be concerned if I were you.
BUT - don't take my word for it - do your own research then ask him why he failed to mention it.
You can thank the USDA and Congress for promulgating the current "misinformation" campaign (the one that resulted in skyrocketing obesity, diabetes, and related numbers) - but the British and EU medical communities are not blameless either.
Europe, and even the Brits are FINALLY beginning to at least acknowledge that "maybe....just maybe the current thinking hasn't exactly produced the results we expected".
There are plenty of links to sites with actual "science" to backup current thinking and here are a couple that may or may not have been posted before but will get you started:
http://tinyurl.com/n4dpohx
http://tinyurl.com/d43z5yn
https://www.dietdoctor.com/science
Best of luck and keep up the great work! (just don't expect the current rate of loss to continue, it will likely decrease, as it should).
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We had already discussed healthy eating, what is a healthy diet, balance etc. My husband is also a infertility research dr, specialising in PCOS, so it's something he knows I know a lot about....
I am well aware of all the science in the world - I just was still not losing!! 7lbs in 15 days is amazing for me-long may the losing last0 -
LernRach, I am glad to finally hear that someone understands or has been there and is seeing the light. I am glad you are starting to see a loss. After thinking about this I decided I am going to continue to count cals but I am also going to go low carb. I am going to get my carbs from veggies and clean things, cutting out bread and pasta type stuff. Maybe I am sensitive to carbs and was eating too many carbs a day.0
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6. When recording exercise you need to be careful. My fitness pal is not very accurate in my opinion. If I lift weights, I generally cut the calories by at least 30%. My fitness pal gives you an estimate and it's impossible to know the actual number, but I feel cutting the estimate by 30 to 50% helps. If you over-estimate the calories burnt while exercising and under-estimate the calories consumed in food you are in for a world of trouble.
I've noticed this too. It's completely wrong with most cardio calories. I use an elliptical machine mostly and MFP says I'll burn 300+ calories in 20 mins or some ridiculous amounts. The machine tells me 120 or so. It's best to research instead of relying completely on MFP for these.
The machines are more accurate simply b/c they're measuring your actual input, while MFP is an estimate. I will say that generally MFP is within 10% of what the machine says for me. But I really push it on the elliptical.0 -
I stopped reading responses on page 3. You have mentioned being estrogen dominant, but you say it like "I'm brunette, so that shouldn't matter"... like it's just a matter of fact. I have done extensive research on this, because I have a lot of hormone issues, including Stage IV Endometriosis. Estrogen dominance means you have too much estrogen, not enough progesterone or the balance is way off. Either way, it is what it sounds like. Estrogen is running the show. You likely have many other symptoms of this, possibly including mood swings, raging periods... here's a quick copy and paste bit on some common symptoms:
Decreased sex drive
Irregular or otherwise abnormal menstrual periods
Bloating (water retention)
Breast swelling and tenderness
Fibrocystic breasts
Headaches (especially premenstrually)
Mood swings (most often irritability and depression)
Weight and/or fat gain (particularly around the abdomen and hips)
Cold hands and feet (a symptom of thyroid dysfunction)
Hair loss
Thyroid dysfunction
Sluggish metabolism
Foggy thinking, memory loss
Fatigue
Trouble sleeping/insomnia
PMS
Estrogen dominance has also been linked to allergies, autoimmune disorders, breast cancer, uterine cancer, infertility, ovarian cysts, and increased blood clotting, and is also associated with acceleration of the aging process.
People who have not experienced having their body hijacked by hormones may be tempted to say this is not your problem. But rapid weight gain is one of the first symptoms of a hormone imbalance for a lot of women. I don't have any advice for you, other than to find a doctor who will listen to you and really work with you. Bioidentical progesterone can have some pretty unpleasant long term side effects, so I would tread very carefully. I guess I just wanted to post because I don't want you to feel alone. There are some things you can do to naturally lower your estrogen levels, though I can't guarantee they'll make you lose the weight. You may be interested in intermittent fasting, as fasting lowers estrogen levels. Good luck.0 -
Read "Think Like a Thin Person" by Dr Judith Beck, a psychiatrist who specializes in helping dieters to change their thought behaviors. I just finished it and it was like a light bulb going on.0
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When I was feeling this way (and I did through my preteen and many of my teenage years) it was because I simply was not committed to taking the required steps to actually losing weight. I wasn't committed to eating healthier or counting calories or exercising regularly. I just felt sad and hopeless. I hope this doesn't come across as too harsh. But you need to get real. You need to be committed to making big changes in your diet and lifestyle and being accountable to yourself in order to lose weight. Wishing you the best of luck.0
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No one is "meant" to be fat. Most fat kids are fat because of the feeding habits of their parents. Practically EVERYONE was thinner as a teenager, but as we age hardly anyone adjusted their eating habits. Less physical movement, still same amount of food will usually mean more weight.
People from my experience don't lose weight for a few reasons:
Lack of commitment
Lack of consistency
Hormonal/health issues
Lack of sleep/rest
High stress
Just plain eats more than they need to
Work on these first 100% before accepting that one is "meant" to be fat.
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