Does meal frequency really not matter?

How does the body respond to a change in meal frequency? Do you temporarily gain water weight or anything?

^^ (Main question)

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I'm a girl, and I always used to eat 3 meals a day and 2 snacks.

For the past few months I've been doing fasting a lot. I was testing (my username fits me) different variations of it. I've done 5:2 fasting, I've done 4:3.
I've done a 18:6 window, I've done a 36hr fast (which raised a few eyebrows since I'm a girl and typically only men have the willpower to fast that long -- I'm a special snowflake ::flutters eyelashes::)

Ironically 5:2 was most difficult as it was my first experience with it. Now I've settled on a 24hour fast. Meaning I eat one meal a day. Will there be like any change whatsoever in my body if I bump it up to 5 meals again?

I don't get hungry like I used to while fasting. It's there but very mild. Funny thing is when I eat more times a day I get hungry all. the. time. Is that normal?
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  • logg1e
    logg1e Posts: 1,208 Member
    This site isn't for girls, you have to be over 18 to be a member.

    "Girls aren't known for their willpower"? Spare me.
  • TestingFun01
    TestingFun01 Posts: 89 Member
    This site isn't for girls, you have to be over 18 to be a member.

    "Girls aren't known for their willpower"? Spare me.

    Uh yeah I'm 21. I didn't say girls aren't known for their willpower, I said a lot of women find it difficult to fast that long.

    If you aren't going to answer my question or say something nice, then keep your trap shut. :noway:
  • my opinion is that it affects different people in different way. E.g if i skip meal end end up to be really hungry, in the evening I could eat a horse- so I eat more after all (calories of day, not only dinner) but my boyfriend doesn´t have to eat all day and ends up eating the same amount of food as he would if he eat all day. However, when I was young I sometimes forgot to eat and ate only lunch at school (they gave us also food which remained, so quite big portion)- if it was 3 or 4 times in a row, my stomach hurt at night- but after that I was not hunger at all in the morning. I think my stomach was smaller, since then I felt great, had a lot of energy and wasn´t hungry at all. When I am thinking about it now, It was much more convinient. I eat 4-5 meals a day now and yes hunger is more frequent and bigger than it was.
  • missiontofitness
    missiontofitness Posts: 4,059 Member
    Calories can't tell time. I eat whenever I want, and I've had no issues. Same with many other users on here. As long as you get your cals in for the day, it doesn't matter if you're spannining them across one meal or ten.
  • SezxyStef
    SezxyStef Posts: 15,267 Member
    no meal frequency does not matter at all.
  • ExRelaySprinter
    ExRelaySprinter Posts: 874 Member
    I don't really like the idea of fasting tbh.
    Going for long periods of time without food, "just don't seem natural".
    I almost collapse if i go without food for about 3 hours! :laugh:
    If you've only been doing the 24 hr fasting for a short time, i doubt if you'll gain loads if you bump back up to 5 times a day eating.
  • Or you could look at what other people do;

    http://www.simplyshredded.com/michelle-lewin.html

    Meal 1: Oatmeal with Big Blend from Betancourt Nutrition
    Meal 2: Ham with Swedish Crackers (Wasa)
    Meal 3: Chicken Breast with Brown Rice
    Meal 4: Pork Chops with Salad
    Meal 5: Beef with Asparagus & Spinach
    Meal 6: Salmon with Broccoli
    Meal 7: Casein Protein Shake (Before bed)
  • TestingFun01
    TestingFun01 Posts: 89 Member
    Or you could look at what other people do;

    http://www.simplyshredded.com/michelle-lewin.html

    Meal 1: Oatmeal with Big Blend from Betancourt Nutrition
    Meal 2: Ham with Swedish Crackers (Wasa)
    Meal 3: Chicken Breast with Brown Rice
    Meal 4: Pork Chops with Salad
    Meal 5: Beef with Asparagus & Spinach
    Meal 6: Salmon with Broccoli
    Meal 7: Casein Protein Shake (Before bed)

    Too much thinking involved :P
  • Too much thinking involved :P

    You're going to go far, sweetcheeks.
  • TestingFun01
    TestingFun01 Posts: 89 Member
    I don't really like the idea of fasting tbh.
    Going for long periods of time without food, "just don't seem natural".
    I almost collapse if i go without food for about 3 hours! :laugh:
    If you've only been doing the 24 hr fasting for a short time, i doubt if you'll gain loads if you bump back up to 5 times a day eating.

    For me that's the interesting. I've been eating 5 meals my whole life...I've always eaten breakfast.

    So one would think it's ingrained in me and I would be like you (wanting to faint after 3 hours without food Lol), but actually fasting that long comes really easily to me.

    And I'm MORE hungry when I eat more often than I am if I'm fasting. Everyone's different hey :smile:
  • trinatrina1984
    trinatrina1984 Posts: 1,018 Member
    This site isn't for girls, you have to be over 18 to be a member.

    "Girls aren't known for their willpower"? Spare me.

    Uh yeah I'm 21. I didn't say girls aren't known for their willpower, I said a lot of women find it difficult to fast that long.

    If you aren't going to answer my question or say something nice, then keep your trap shut. :noway:

    Blimey someone got out the wrong side of bed today
  • ExRelaySprinter
    ExRelaySprinter Posts: 874 Member
    Or you could look at what other people do;

    http://www.simplyshredded.com/michelle-lewin.html

    Meal 1: Oatmeal with Big Blend from Betancourt Nutrition
    Meal 2: Ham with Swedish Crackers (Wasa)
    Meal 3: Chicken Breast with Brown Rice
    Meal 4: Pork Chops with Salad
    Meal 5: Beef with Asparagus & Spinach
    Meal 6: Salmon with Broccoli
    Meal 7: Casein Protein Shake (Before bed)

    Too much money involved. :laugh:
    Those foods cost a fortune here in the UK.
    I'd be seriously out of pocket if i ate this every day.
  • There is absolutely ZERO scientific evidence proving the correlation between eating times and weight loss. ZERO. There are, however, studies which show how people that ate more frequently tended to SNACK LESS BETWEEN MEALS. Honestly, if we had to eat frequently, to "keep our metabolism burning...." we would have died off millions of years ago, when we would go days or weeks without eating.

    Bottom line: If you tend to snack between meals, by all means, eat MEALS more frequently. However, realize that you are then keeping your insulin levels raised most of the day, which can cause some metabolic issues. Elevated insulin + prolonged periods = quicker and more stored fat!

    Randall, FSF

    http://vonblancofitness.com/the-truth-about-meal-frequency-and-nutrient-timing/

    http://syattfitness.com/fat-loss/meal-frequency/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSLn0vGh5ZQ&index=5&list=LLS7kyY9hqClnfIYreR5xvpg
  • TestingFun01
    TestingFun01 Posts: 89 Member
    This site isn't for girls, you have to be over 18 to be a member.

    "Girls aren't known for their willpower"? Spare me.

    Uh yeah I'm 21. I didn't say girls aren't known for their willpower, I said a lot of women find it difficult to fast that long.

    If you aren't going to answer my question or say something nice, then keep your trap shut. :noway:

    Blimey someone got out the wrong side of bed today

    Nah. I just hate if someone judges me by my cover. They wanna be rude, I can be too.
  • mamadon
    mamadon Posts: 1,422 Member
    I work grave yard 12 hours shifts. Half of the week, I eat all my meals at night and the other half at regular times of the day. It doesnt make any difference.
  • TestingFun01
    TestingFun01 Posts: 89 Member
    There is absolutely ZERO scientific evidence proving the correlation between eating times and weight loss. ZERO. There are, however, studies which show how people that ate more frequently tended to SNACK LESS BETWEEN MEALS.

    Yeah well, you know fasting wouldn't be fasting exactly if you ate while doing it. It defeats it's purpose. So since I fast and eat one meal a day, I eat one meal a day and don't snack. :tongue:
  • logg1e
    logg1e Posts: 1,208 Member
    This site isn't for girls, you have to be over 18 to be a member.

    "Girls aren't known for their willpower"? Spare me.

    Uh yeah I'm 21. I didn't say girls aren't known for their willpower, I said a lot of women find it difficult to fast that long.

    If you aren't going to answer my question or say something nice, then keep your trap shut. :noway:

    Blimey someone got out the wrong side of bed today

    Nah. I just hate if someone judges me by my cover. They wanna be rude, I can be too.

    Aye, I was equally as rude. I don't think it's helpful to use "girl" when you mean "woman" and I thought that the idea that women don't have the willpower to fast is just silly. Your OP was too "cool girl" for me to take seriously.
  • TestingFun01
    TestingFun01 Posts: 89 Member
    This site isn't for girls, you have to be over 18 to be a member.

    "Girls aren't known for their willpower"? Spare me.

    Uh yeah I'm 21. I didn't say girls aren't known for their willpower, I said a lot of women find it difficult to fast that long.

    If you aren't going to answer my question or say something nice, then keep your trap shut. :noway:

    Blimey someone got out the wrong side of bed today

    Nah. I just hate if someone judges me by my cover. They wanna be rude, I can be too.

    Aye, I was equally as rude. I don't think it's helpful to use "girl" when you mean "woman" and I thought that the idea that women don't have the willpower to fast is just silly. Your OP was too "cool girl" for me to take seriously.

    Like I said, I didn't say they don't have the willpower. But when you look at women who fast here, a lot of them do a window version instead of doing a 24hr. There are also a few studies suggesting it's harder for some of them (and perhaps bad for their fertility) to do long periods of fasting when compared to men.

    I didn't mean to sound "cool girl"... I meant to be sarcastic when I said I'm a special snowflake. It was supposed to be humorous.

    And wether I use girl or woman, we are both the same species...we both have boobs...just because I said I'm a girl doesn't necessarily mean I'm a minor.
  • EvgeniZyntx
    EvgeniZyntx Posts: 24,208 Member
    There is absolutely ZERO scientific evidence proving the correlation between eating times and weight loss. ZERO. There are, however, studies which show how people that ate more frequently tended to SNACK LESS BETWEEN MEALS. Honestly, if we had to eat frequently, to "keep our metabolism burning...." we would have died off millions of years ago, when we would go days or weeks without eating.

    Bottom line: If you tend to snack between meals, by all means, eat MEALS more frequently. However, realize that you are then keeping your insulin levels raised most of the day, which can cause some metabolic issues. Elevated insulin + prolonged periods = quicker and more stored fat!

    Randall, FSF

    http://vonblancofitness.com/the-truth-about-meal-frequency-and-nutrient-timing/

    http://syattfitness.com/fat-loss/meal-frequency/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSLn0vGh5ZQ&index=5&list=LLS7kyY9hqClnfIYreR5xvpg

    This is incorrect - there is some scientific evidence that meal frequency timing, meal composition, and overall dietary macro composition affect metabolic function and weight gain/loss, especially for some disease states. However, it seems very secondary to the basics of weight loss which are to focus on calories consumed first and the amount of energy spent moving about and exercising. So meal frequency doesn't matter in the larger context of focusing on the major elements for weight loss. It doesn't mean there isn't evidence, it just isn't where one should be focusing.

    Meal frequency matters in that it does sometimes affect how an individual adheres to a plan. Find the meal frequency or variations that you like, that fits your lifestyle and stick to it.
  • msf74
    msf74 Posts: 3,498 Member
    No - it does not matter if your calories ultimately end up being the same in total

    Yes - it does matter if meal frequency causes you to over eat. Some people my be prompted to over eat on multiple meals a day. Some people may be prompted to over eat on less meals.

    Like most things it depends on the individual.
  • Liftng4Lis
    Liftng4Lis Posts: 15,151 Member
    Frequency has no relevance. Eat at a deficit, lose weight. Keep it simple!
  • Or you could look at what other people do;

    http://www.simplyshredded.com/michelle-lewin.html

    Meal 1: Oatmeal with Big Blend from Betancourt Nutrition
    Meal 2: Ham with Swedish Crackers (Wasa)
    Meal 3: Chicken Breast with Brown Rice
    Meal 4: Pork Chops with Salad
    Meal 5: Beef with Asparagus & Spinach
    Meal 6: Salmon with Broccoli
    Meal 7: Casein Protein Shake (Before bed)

    Too much money involved. :laugh:
    Those foods cost a fortune here in the UK.
    I'd be seriously out of pocket if i ate this every day.


    True, but we spend less now on our food that we ever have. Perhaps we should be prioritising spending more on what we put into our body.

    And lets be honest, if as a lady you ate what Michelle Lewin did for a year and ended up looking like her then that's money well spent :drinker: :flowerforyou: :flowerforyou: :laugh:

    food.jpg
  • La5Vega5Girl
    La5Vega5Girl Posts: 709 Member
    I find the same thing - when I fast I am less hungry and when I eat more frequent smaller meals, I am starving all the time. I am not sure how to answer your question, but just wanted you to know I noticed the same thing. I lose more when I do some sort of intermittent fasting. I currently fast for 18 hours and eat for 6. I do about (2) 24-hour fasts per month.
  • La5Vega5Girl
    La5Vega5Girl Posts: 709 Member
    I don't really like the idea of fasting tbh.
    Going for long periods of time without food, "just don't seem natural".
    I almost collapse if i go without food for about 3 hours! :laugh:
    If you've only been doing the 24 hr fasting for a short time, i doubt if you'll gain loads if you bump back up to 5 times a day eating.

    my brother is the same way. he eats about every 2 hours, very small healthy meals. he has hardly any body fat - very fit.
    I probably should follow suit. LOL
    :smile:
  • GatorDeb1
    GatorDeb1 Posts: 245 Member
    I eat all my calories by 11a most days (and I also don't work out the rest of the day). I have found if I have chunks of 12-18 hours where I don't eat I get hungry less. I can Not Eat for 18 hours easier than 3 lol If I eat frequently I'm more hungry.
  • ExRelaySprinter
    ExRelaySprinter Posts: 874 Member
    True, but we spend less now on our food that we ever have. Perhaps we should be prioritising spending more on what we put into our body.

    And lets be honest, if as a lady you ate what Michelle Lewin did for a year and ended up looking like her then that's money well spent :drinker: :flowerforyou: :flowerforyou: :laugh: http://www.simplyshredded.com/michelle-lewin.html

    It's pretty hard to spend more if you are on a low wage.....eating well costs money!
    (Which is one of the reasons obesity is so rife here).
    Why should Meat, Fish, Fruit and Veg cost so much more than crappy Food? Doesn't make sense to me.
    As For Michelle L's Body, it's impressive......but far too Muscular for me. I prefer to look more "Natural" and have a bit more body fat. :wink:
  • TestingFun01
    TestingFun01 Posts: 89 Member
    As For Michelle L's Body, it's impressive......but far too Muscular for me. I prefer to look more "Natural" and have a bit more body fat. :wink:

    I agree, she's not gonna live long if the aliens come and sweep up all our food. She's gonna go straight into "Starvation Mode" :laugh:
  • icrushit
    icrushit Posts: 773 Member
    No real thoughts, other than the observation that fasting seems to be a good way to rein in the appetite, as a bad flu where I ate nothing for 4/ 5 days is what kickstarted my weight loss efforts 3/ 4 years ago, as I just ran with the reduced appetite I was left with, lol.

    I do imagine there's an argument to be made for digestion efficiency with more infrequent meals, or meals spaced apart a bit, as when you do eat your body should be in a perfect state enzyme-wise to process what you've eaten as efficiently as possible. Also I seem to recall mention of studies where they showed how more infrequent meals were better for blood sugar than more frequent ones, but imagine after a while no matter how your eating patterns are, your body will adjust. We're flexible creatures, and its probably only a modern phenomena where we have such free and ready access to food. In the past I'm sure infrequent meals and (involuntary) fasts were the norm.

    Good luck with your own fasting efforts. I dabbled with 16/8 on and off, but I just don't like going without a morning meal that long, and what works best for me is a typical day where I get to break my nightly fast by 9/ 10am, and stop eating by 7/ 8pm, so I usually observe a 14/10 thing by accident :)
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    I don't really like the idea of fasting tbh.
    Going for long periods of time without food, "just don't seem natural".
    I almost collapse if i go without food for about 3 hours! :laugh:
    If you've only been doing the 24 hr fasting for a short time, i doubt if you'll gain loads if you bump back up to 5 times a day eating.

    For me that's the interesting. I've been eating 5 meals my whole life...I've always eaten breakfast.

    So one would think it's ingrained in me and I would be like you (wanting to faint after 3 hours without food Lol), but actually fasting that long comes really easily to me.

    And I'm MORE hungry when I eat more often than I am if I'm fasting. Everyone's different hey :smile:

    I think there are just natural variations in how people like to eat, plus a lot of it is probably cultural. I grew up with 3 meals a day as the standard, went through a phase in my teens where I didn't eat breakfast or lunch (I hated cereal and supermarket bread, and was too lazy to cook a hot breakfast or make a lunch that wasn't a sandwich, my mother didn't think she should enable me by giving into it and figured I could buy the hot lunch at school--which I thought was disgusting--or would start eating if I were hungry). Instead I had a snack after school and probably a bigger dinner. I neither gained nor lost weight. During college I went to all three meals because they were social events/breaks (at my college most people lived in the dorms), and for a while when I was working I skipped breakfast (when I'd struggle to get up and get to work) and then started buying something like a bagel (stupid) and eventually became a morning person and prefer a hot breakfast. (I still think cold cereal is unpleasant and don't eat it, and I'm still picky about bread, even though I'm otherwise not picky at all.)

    Anyway, I'm sure it's more cultural than anything else, but to me eating 3 meals seems "natural" and I'm not hungry between meals (if I'm eating sensibly) but generally do wish to eat at my regular mealtimes. I can fast for a day without much hardship (for religious reasons, say), but wouldn't enjoy doing so regularly.

    That aside, I suspect that longer breaks between meals at least from time to time is much more "natural" for humans than the 5-6 meal eating schedules that some seem to see as ideal, or even my preferred (and culturally based) 3. It would have to do with food availability.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    Meal frequency matters in that it does sometimes affect how an individual adheres to a plan. Find the meal frequency or variations that you like, that fits your lifestyle and stick to it.

    This is what makes sense to me. Even if there were some on average benefit to eating a big breakfast and constantly throughout the day after that (grazing), if it made you miserable or you tended to struggling with feeling unsatisfied or tended to overeat, and felt great and satisfied and ate fewer calories having just one big meal, you are much more likely to have good results personally doing the latter.