Petite lady starting 5x5 Strength training help!

Hi lovely people of MFP.

I'm an on-offer and am back on the ON.

This time i'm taking a new approach. I'm 5'2", weight at 124lbs and pretty flabby. I'm on a deficit, (was on 1200 + eating back exercise calls, but did my TDEE and now eating 1350 each day instead.)

SO I hired a PT to help me but our weights section is NAFF, I've noticed it's helped me but it's high intensity cardio mainly with strength ie push ups etc, but what I keep asking for is help with weights.

I'm thinking of shelling out for some equipment and working from home to do the 5X5, as a complete beginner I think I'm suitable for it. My questions are- to get my TDEE I inputted 4x workouts per week, I roller skate for 5 hrs per week (3 times total) and will be doing 3x strength sessions for the 5x5. So do I need to put in more workouts? Doesn't strength burn less that cardio, so do I need to include it?

I'm eating at a deficit as I have a whole load of flab to lose, but will I just get weaker and not gain muscle in this case?

Pretty confused and I know of no-one to ask (I know no-one that uses weights at all and people I've questioned tell me not to as I'll look like a man *ROLLS EYES* Even my boyfriend laughed then looked worried and said I'd be too muscly and bulky- he literally has no idea!)

Could anyone that lifts weights or is a female lifter help me out please? I'm so confused.

Thanks! Alana

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  • mymodernbabylon
    mymodernbabylon Posts: 1,038 Member
    I'm not exactly sure what you are asking...but here's my input. At your height and weight, you are at a very healthy BMI. I wouldn't go going for weight loss at all but more body recomposition. I'd go to the Scooby Workshop calculator and put in that you work out the amount you do (and yes, do count the weight lifting time as 5x5 is hard work) and put in lose fat/gain muscle. And then eat that amount (it will be basically your TDEE). What will happen is that over time, you may not see your scale change but you will see your body change. And you will be able to make better gains on the strength training.

    My guess is that your number will be higher than you figured as you appear to be quite young. I put your info in and was conservative at putting in 3-5 hr working out (and put 25 yr old just as a number) and the TDEE was around 2100. Even at my age of 45, you'd be able to eat 1966.
  • MyRummyHens
    MyRummyHens Posts: 141 Member
    My input is this:

    1. I'm not entirely sure that 1350 calories is right. I'm 5'1 and 98lb and I burn my way through 2400 calories per day. Granted that yes I am super active (I do about 30,000 steps on a normal day), but my basic maintenance calorie levels for a more 'normal' activity is still around 1750. Being extremely small framed I understand how other tiny framed women might feel they want to lose a little more weight, and if this is the case then you want to lose it as slowly as possible to maximize fat loss and minimize LBM loss, so a calorie deficit of 100-200 calories per day is more like it, and (especially with 5 hours of roller blading) I'm sure your basic calorie level is probably more than 1700, so I'd say you need to be eating at least 1500 calories even in deficit.

    2. I started with Stronglifts before moving over to the Strong Curves program. It is easily done at home and I started out with the dumbbells I already had to make sure I liked it before moving over to barbells. So yes it's easily done at home.

    3. It's going to be impossible at your BMI to gain any muscle whilst in deficit but assuming your deficit isn't too large you can make massive strength gains (especially at first) and preserve LBM which will mean for each 1lb you lose a much higher % will be fat than if you just dieted. It's much easier to lift in maintenance, it's slow, but I've found my body fat has dropped whilst my weight hasn't changed, so I must be laying down bone and muscle.
  • alanabanana86
    alanabanana86 Posts: 21 Member
    Thank you! I am 28 years old. Yes you're right, i'm not looking to lose weight, i'm looking to lose fat and gain muscle,

    So I don't need to eat in deficit then?

    Ok thank you- I'll re-do my TDEE, so do I eat at 100% of that then and workout? Will I lose fat that way? I'm confused, I thought I'd need to be in a deficit to lose fat ie 15% under (whilst strength training to preserve lean muscle as best possible,) then eat at 100% TDEE when trying to build more muscle?

    I'm sorry these must sound like silly questions, I'm new to strength training and it's hard to get my head past the DIET for weight loss I've heard all of my life!
  • MyRummyHens
    MyRummyHens Posts: 141 Member
    Best way to build muscle is to eat OVER TDEE, this builds muscle the fastest, but obviously weight goes up. It's why body builders do a 'bulk'.

    Eating AT TDEE will hold your weight but if you lift at the same time your body will slowly burn fat and build muscle at the same rate, so your body fat will drop whilst your weight remains the same. It doesn't happen overnight, especially for us gals with our low testosterone, but it does work. This is what people call 'recomp'.

    Eating UNDER TDEE will prevent you from building muscle, but if you lift whilst you do it you increase the amount of fat verses LBM you lose with each lb. This is what people mean when they refer to a 'cut'.

    Your three options are to do a bulk then cut, try recomp, or to cut slightly whilst keeping your body weight within sensible ranges. Given your BMI I'd go with recomp in your shoes personally.
  • alanabanana86
    alanabanana86 Posts: 21 Member
    Thanks so much, your explanation of % of eating makes perfect sense to me.

    I guess I'll have to forget hearing a lifetime of 'under-eat to lose weight'. I already am surprised it's taken me until 28 to figure out that strength training makes so much sense rather than losing 'weight' as I don't want to lose muscle as well as fat if it can be helped!

    I'll readjust my goals and go from there :)
  • refuseresist
    refuseresist Posts: 934 Member
    Hi I am pretty much in the same boat. I have been doing strength training for a while but I think I don't get as much progress because I don't eat enough to build muscle. I have increased my intake slightly though, and that helps with having more energy. I do want to lose weight though so I will probably have to sacrifice strength and muscle gains for now. ETA: I started 5x5 but didn't have access to the right equipment really. I am doing New Rules of Lifting for Women now, but 5x5 was much more simple to understand!
  • itsjustmish
    itsjustmish Posts: 107 Member
    As we've already discussed off the board, I'm in exactly the same boat as you. Starting Stronglifts in a couple of weeks with no previous experience of heavy lifting so struggling a bit to know what my TDEE/ calorie goal will be.

    I'm planning on eating at maintenance and doing a recomp, but would rather eat slightly over than under because if I end up accidentally doing a mini-bulk it wouldn't be the end of the world!

    Anyway, I just found this TDEE calculator which I found really useful and thought might help you too: http://www.exrx.net/Calculators/CalRequire.html It actually specifies which category weight lifting (and various other types of activity) fall under in terms of light, moderate, heavy, etc so that you can try to calculate more accurately what your energy requirements will be. :)
  • MyRummyHens
    MyRummyHens Posts: 141 Member
    The thing with lifting at home is that you constantly have to keep asking yourself questions, like are you making progress? If your struggling to lift more weight then you have to start considering things like form, are you eating enough, have you rush up the weights too quickly etc. It's always worth having someone you can talk to about it, even if they are just a sounding board, whether it's your hubby, a friend or a MFP friend.

    The only thing I will mention about lifting is that I personally held onto a lot of water in my muscles when I first started. The body floods muscles with water to repair them, so the amount of fluid you carry increases, and therefore you appear to the scales to have put on weight. Obviously it's just water and after a period of about 2-3 weeks my body had stopped holding onto SO much water and things returned to normal. If this happens at the same time as you move up to TDEE there is the potential that you'll panic and think your gaining weight you may not want, just stick with it, it's only water, it'll go, don't be tempted to drop your calories unless it continues past 4-6 weeks. Eating is the BEST thing you can do for your body when you are a lifter.
  • alanabanana86
    alanabanana86 Posts: 21 Member
    Great advice, thanks for the tip.

    Yep, good to know we're not alone itsjustmich! Thanks for the link, I'll check it out!

    My gym is appallingly low stocked when it comes to weights, so I figured splash out with my own bar, get some lighter plates and fractions, and head to my parents to use their bench etc. There is a strength only gym around 30 mins away but after membership fee, juggling the children and childcare etc it might not be the best idea- plus it's focus is on strongman training so I would literally be too scared to enter!

    I'm not too worried about scale weight as I don't actually weigh myself, it doesn't really provide me with much info that I don't already know and a couple of pounds fluctuation can be anything so I'll continue to stay off the scales!

    I'm going to eat at maintenance and see how things are in a month :)
  • rslcarson
    rslcarson Posts: 35 Member
    Thank you alanabanana86 for asking this question and thankyou for all the replies. I needed all of this advice.
    I'm two weeks in to SL 5x5 and I'm reading Strong curves but don't want to start it until I understand the programme. Will hopefully do SL 5x5 for 4-6 weeks and then think about changing or incorporating SC.
    I haven't really figured out what I should be eating and it is a scary transition from under-eating to lose weight and needing to eat over TDEE to gain muscle. Eek!
    Feel free for any of you to add me but add a note. :smile:
  • Danny_Boy13
    Danny_Boy13 Posts: 2,094 Member
    Well I have not read all of the posts but I am sure that someone has already mentioned that you will not look bulky if you lift heavy. I have plenty of females on my FL that lift heavy and not one of them look anywhere near bulky. They all have a very nice femme look with some lines on the legs / arms where the muscle is growing. Im sure someone also mentioned that you will not gain much if any on a caloric deficit. So you have no worries there.

    I have / am doing the SL 5x5 protocol and it works for me. I have recently added some accessory work because I feel like I needed some hypertrophy work but my base is still 5x5. It is easy, fast and effective. Also the app makes it that much more simple to track your progress and the app will make suggestions if you are stuck at a plateau. It has been over a year since I have used it so I am sure there are many more features now.

    If you are just beginning you will not need much weight based off of your height, weight and lifting experience. Just a good barbell, decent plates, a bench and a quality squat rack / power rack, half rack ect. You should be able to get all of that for under $1k. The thing that will kill you on cost is the rack and the bench. I have a friend on my FL that just recently bought her own weight set for her home. If you are interested in touching base with her PM me and I can point you toward her direction. She did a lot of research and would know the best deals on the interweb.
  • singingflutelady
    singingflutelady Posts: 8,736 Member
    With your height you have a definite advantage while lifting heavy