L-Citrulline/ Citrulline Malate on Low Carb?

Fat loss comes from a calorie deficit. Supplements fill in a part of your diet that is lacking. L-citruline/malate will not accelerate any fat loss (some articles suggest it helps with muscle soreness though). Also, while a scale is one indicator and wouldn't get too caught up in the body composition numbers. Many bioimpadence machines are really inaccurate.

Hey, thank you for your reply

I'm definatey not at a calorie deficit............ The opposite in fact, half a bar of butter goes in my morning coffee alone. Guessing the 18 hours of not eating between maybe helping? I know what you mean about scales although mine must just be really inaccurate..... in my favour, consistently

But I do get your point, there are so many variables, even down to wether you use them with wet or dry feet... So I just try to keep my weigh in's as consistant as possible,I'm "empty" in every sense, dry feet, same time of day and at least 2 days apart.

I think maybe I'll leave the L-citruline/malate on the side until I'm ready to build some mass, unless anyone else has actually used it and had a decent result on a high fat diet.

Your first posts says you have lost 6.6kg and then this post you say you are not at a calorie deficit. Impossible!!!!

As to your original post, daily vitamins are the only supplement you may need. Some recommend vitamin d and fish oil for the omega 3 but that depends on the individual.

bro you are totally wrong even if ur eating no carbs and in a calorie surplus you will gain fat protein can even be turned to fat same with the fat you over eat

As to the L-Citrulline...
http://examine.com/supplements/Citrulline/

"L-Citrulline is used as a sports performance and cardiovascular health supplement. L-Citrulline supplementation results in reduced fatigue and improved endurance for both aerobic and anaerobic prolonged exercise. There is not enough evidence to support the claim that L-citrulline supplementation improves power output during exercise.

Supplementing L-citrulline also increases ornithine and arginine plasma content. This means L-citrulline supplementation improves the ammonia recycling process and nitric oxide metabolism. L-citrulline is also used to alleviate erectile dysfunction caused by high blood pressure.

After supplementation, L-citrulline is converted into arginine in the kidneys. Supplemental L-arginine provides a spike of L-arginine in plasma, while supplemental L-citrulline increases arginine plasma levels over a longer period of time.

L-arginine and L-ornithine are subject to reduced absorption when supplemented in doses of 10g or more, which can result in diarrhea. L-Citrulline does not have this side-effect, and since it increases plasma levels of all three amino acids, it is generally preferred as a supplement over L-arginine. Though L-citrulline doubles ornithine plasma content, L-ornithine supplementation can increase ornithine plasma content even more, by 300 – 500 percent."

This is a bit off topic, but I'm very curious about this butter in your coffee thing. I've been seeing a lot of people doing that as of late and I don't get it. What is the purpose? Not trying to be argumentative, am genuinely curious.

Hey

No worries, I think a lot of people are using it, along with Medium Chain Triglycerides ( MCT oil) to help raise their metabolism ( debated), to help them feel full in the morning, and because it tastes good. I add organic coconut oil to mine as well.

The taste isn't as bad as it sounds, and it seems to be the first thing that has shifted some very stubborn fat off me.

Yeah, the bullet proof coffee thing has been thoroughly debunked by actual science. It does not fuel your metabolism nearly to the rate at which it costs. IE any added calories burned from drinking it are far less then the drink itself contains...

This is a bit off topic, but I'm very curious about this butter in your coffee thing. I've been seeing a lot of people doing that as of late and I don't get it. What is the purpose? Not trying to be argumentative, am genuinely curious.

Hey

No worries, I think a lot of people are using it, along with Medium Chain Triglycerides ( MCT oil) to help raise their metabolism ( debated), to help them feel full in the morning, and because it tastes good. I add organic coconut oil to mine as well.

The taste isn't as bad as it sounds, and it seems to be the first thing that has shifted some very stubborn fat off me.

Yeah, the bullet proof coffee thing has been thoroughly debunked by actual science. It does not fuel your metabolism nearly to the rate at which it costs. IE any added calories burned from drinking it are far less then the drink itself contains...

Can you post some links please? I'd be interested?

If you're on keto you'll get a benefit from it. What we currently understand about Medium Chain Triglycerides is that they skip the primary fat metabolism pathways and are shunted straight into the liver to create ketones. This in the short term boosts energy levels but the increased ketone production is only temporary. MCTs are referred to as exogenous ketones. These specific ketones are healthy for the body and very good for the brain.

Coffee with butter and MCT oil is a very decent breakfast. You get your fat macros from the butter mainly as the oil is treated differently by the body. Tastes great and is a great way to start the day with the much needed energy boost from the MCT's.

As for the Calorie stuff, I'm in the same boat. I eat around or above my maintenance amount and I've been losing weight at around 4lbs a week. A calorie isn't just a calorie which is become more and more apparent with the Energy Balance Consortium research that is currently going on. There is a reason why ketogenic diets are more successful in the long run than calorie restriction. If you can stick to it, you will lose weight quicker due to what you are eating, not how much you are eating.

This is a bit off topic, but I'm very curious about this butter in your coffee thing. I've been seeing a lot of people doing that as of late and I don't get it. What is the purpose? Not trying to be argumentative, am genuinely curious.

Hey

No worries, I think a lot of people are using it, along with Medium Chain Triglycerides ( MCT oil) to help raise their metabolism ( debated), to help them feel full in the morning, and because it tastes good. I add organic coconut oil to mine as well.

The taste isn't as bad as it sounds, and it seems to be the first thing that has shifted some very stubborn fat off me.

Yeah, the bullet proof coffee thing has been thoroughly debunked by actual science. It does not fuel your metabolism nearly to the rate at which it costs. IE any added calories burned from drinking it are far less then the drink itself contains...

Can you post some links please? I'd be interested?

If you're on keto you'll get a benefit from it. What we currently understand about Medium Chain Triglycerides is that they skip the primary fat metabolism pathways and are shunted straight into the liver to create ketones. This in the short term boosts energy levels but the increased ketone production is only temporary. MCTs are referred to as exogenous ketones. These specific ketones are healthy for the body and very good for the brain.

Coffee with butter and MCT oil is a very decent breakfast. You get your fat macros from the butter mainly as the oil is treated differently by the body. Tastes great and is a great way to start the day with the much needed energy boost from the MCT's.

As for the Calorie stuff, I'm in the same boat. I eat around or above my maintenance amount and I've been losing weight at around 4lbs a week. A calorie isn't just a calorie which is become more and more apparent with the Energy Balance Consortium research that is currently going on. There is a reason why ketogenic diets are more successful in the long run than calorie restriction. If you can stick to it, you will lose weight quicker due to what you are eating, not how much you are eating.

Think about what you are saying. By definition alone, maintenance calories are the level of intake it takes to maintain. So if you are losing weight, you are NOT eating above that level. What it means, your maintenance are higher than you think. It is possible that your calculations are purely wrong of what you think your maintenance calories are. But it's utter nonsense to think you can eat above your maintenance and think you can lose.

The second highlighted is not true and Keto does not provide quicker fat loss than other diets. It might provide quicker weight loss the few weeks but that is because you deplete glycogen/water weight. But in the end, you still have to eat 3500 calories less than you burn to lose a lb of fat. But if if you can provide a study I would lose to see how keto is the best. In fact, I would challenge you with stating the best diet is the one you can adhere to.

Short - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16685046

Long - http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/83/5/1055.long

Interesting, you trust stuff that's published by a government.

There's a lot of interesting books out there about the food industry, sugar and the people in the government that own the companies, and drug companies pushing America's obesity epidemic. Lifelong "treatable" diseases such as diabeties are big bucks.

It's obvious you have lost a lot of weight using Macro's, that's great.

Thanks for the links.

I'm still looking to speak to someone that is currently on a low carb/high fat diet and that has tried Citrulline Malate.

I'm not that interested in any other conversation.

No, you are only interested in talking to someone that agrees with you.

Next thing, you will be starting a thread about how everyone on MFP are a bunch of meanies.

Examine.com does a non bias review of all the available research one 100's of supplements. They link to all the research they use to determine whether or not a substance is statistically proven to show any results. The referenced 75 studies on their citulline article. You will have to comb through them yourself is you want to see if any of them pertain specifically to low carb. http://examine.com/supplements/Citrulline/