Overtraining?

Overtraining is pretty close to a myth. Soreness is ok, stop if there is pain. I used to squat heavy 14 times a week and was sore first week after that my body got used top it. But, make sure you reload every 4-6 weeks, take it easy for a week or two.

Overtraining is pretty close to a myth. Soreness is ok, stop if there is pain. I used to squat heavy 14 times a week and was sore first week after that my body got used top it. But, make sure you reload every 4-6 weeks, take it easy for a week or two.

No. It's a very real and dangerous thing. It can permanently screw you up. There are people out there that have NEVER recovered. My bodpod guy is one of them. He used to train with Mo Farrer, he was that good. Anyway at 17, he didn't listen to himself, became ill, tried to catch up after time off then destroyed himself. He can't feel heat or cold, his hormones are whacked, he can't do sports, he is very nervy when he didn't used to be, it's scary. He did a PHD on overtraining syndrome. It's very interesting.

All athletes hover under and over the overtraining line, it's how you get fit. I've made myself sick overtraining. Sleep patterns screw up, hormones, eating, tummy issues, injuries, depression, tiredness aches and pains. A lot of athletes keep a constant log of their morning rested heart rate and mark themselves out of 10 for well being and tiredness every day in their diaries. It's no myth, it's very common, particularly in amateurs like myself who don't have a coach and follow periodization or hypertrophy programmes.

Look up Joe Friel's information on this syndrome, very useful and informative.

I don't think you can overdo it. The more exercise the better.

Over training is absolutely a real thing. I've been there, and it took me going on maternity leave to reset my body. Some of the symptoms are soreness that doesn't seem to go away even with rest, decline in performance (less strength, less endurance), never being able to shake that tired feeling yet having a hard time sleeping, and can get so sever to cause depression and anxiety (which it did for me). Now it took years of me overtraining for it to get that bad, but it absolutely can happen. There are numerous articles on the effects of overtraining. Look for those signs, and remember that rest days are super important, even when you don't feel like you need it.

How do I make sure I'm not overtraining and doing more harm than good?

You'll know. Your body will start yelling at you or it will simply refuse to comply with the requested work load.

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Training = workout + REST.

Firstly, you say your concerned with bodyat %, however your already training hard. So, your fat level is about food control. Unless your running a marathon everyday, additional physical activity is going to make little difference. So many people make this mistake.

Secondly, over-training is really obvious when you have it, you'll feel lethargic and unable to perform. Yawning, not feeling motivated, soreness etc etc it's pretty straight-forward to recognise it.

There is an app for that.

I use the ithlete app to take a daily HRV (heart rate variability) sample. It compares my morning sample to previous days and gives me an indication of how I am doing. On occasion it will recommend a light (easy) day or even a rest day. I don't always follow the recommendations, but it keeps me aware of where I stand.

That's a great idea! Too bad it's $10, though. I'd hate to pay $10 for an app I'd probably ignore anyway. LOL I'm bad about pushing too much. So neat to know it's there!

You over train if you can't match your nutritional needs with your workouts. To me over training is bs, if your over trained your not eating enough or getting enough protein... That's why eating back those exercise calories is important if your training hard..

Overtraining is pretty close to a myth. Soreness is ok, stop if there is pain. I used to squat heavy 14 times a week and was sore first week after that my body got used top it. But, make sure you reload every 4-6 weeks, take it easy for a week or two.

No. It's a very real and dangerous thing. It can permanently screw you up. There are people out there that have NEVER recovered. My bodpod guy is one of them. He used to train with Mo Farrer, he was that good. Anyway at 17, he didn't listen to himself, became ill, tried to catch up after time off then destroyed himself. He can't feel heat or cold, his hormones are whacked, he can't do sports, he is very nervy when he didn't used to be, it's scary. He did a PHD on overtraining syndrome. It's very interesting.

All athletes hover under and over the overtraining line, it's how you get fit. I've made myself sick overtraining. Sleep patterns screw up, hormones, eating, tummy issues, injuries, depression, tiredness aches and pains. A lot of athletes keep a constant log of their morning rested heart rate and mark themselves out of 10 for well being and tiredness every day in their diaries. It's no myth, it's very common, particularly in amateurs like myself who don't have a coach and follow periodization or hypertrophy programmes.

Look up Joe Friel's information on this syndrome, very useful and informative.

LOL. Ok. I work with coaches who train pro athletes, they laugh at this crap. You need to be smart and there is nothing like over training. You should look up how olympic lifters, power lifters train. People need to de-load for rubber banding effect to kick in.

You need to be smart about what? NOT over training?

Then why does de-loading exist? Holiday?

What is this 'rubber banding', do you mean recovery? Why do we need to recover if overtraining doesn't exist then.

So everybody's symptoms are imagined, even the monitored heart rate, and we can just carry on and on without resting?


Perhaps it's more common in the endurance world.....I don't know what type of training you are all doing to not experience the misery of overtraining, yes, even with enough fuel to repair and support the workouts. It goes beyond that. During periodization, you plan or spend a set small amount of time overtrained then get out of it at just the right time. It's meticulously planned and can be abused very easily without an experienced coach. Many amateurs like myself and my training buddies fall into overtraining, they specialise in Ironman, but I only do sprint distances and it doesn't take long to get overdone. But I'm pushing speeds like 21min 5k, at age 43, really intense training, WAY up the heart rate zones.

That's my experience with overtraining, and the years of reading and talking to coaches and athletes. I can't remember anyone finding it a very amusing subject worthy of LOLs, but maybe that's a bravado thing....

Overtraining is pretty close to a myth. Soreness is ok, stop if there is pain. I used to squat heavy 14 times a week and was sore first week after that my body got used top it. But, make sure you reload every 4-6 weeks, take it easy for a week or two.

No. It's a very real and dangerous thing. It can permanently screw you up. There are people out there that have NEVER recovered. My bodpod guy is one of them. He used to train with Mo Farrer, he was that good. Anyway at 17, he didn't listen to himself, became ill, tried to catch up after time off then destroyed himself. He can't feel heat or cold, his hormones are whacked, he can't do sports, he is very nervy when he didn't used to be, it's scary. He did a PHD on overtraining syndrome. It's very interesting.

All athletes hover under and over the overtraining line, it's how you get fit. I've made myself sick overtraining. Sleep patterns screw up, hormones, eating, tummy issues, injuries, depression, tiredness aches and pains. A lot of athletes keep a constant log of their morning rested heart rate and mark themselves out of 10 for well being and tiredness every day in their diaries. It's no myth, it's very common, particularly in amateurs like myself who don't have a coach and follow periodization or hypertrophy programmes.

Look up Joe Friel's information on this syndrome, very useful and informative.

LOL. Ok. I work with coaches who train pro athletes, they laugh at this crap. You need to be smart and there is nothing like over training. You should look up how olympic lifters, power lifters train. People need to de-load for rubber banding effect to kick in.

You need to be smart about what? NOT over training?

Then why does de-loading exist? Holiday?

What is this 'rubber banding', do you mean recovery? Why do we need to recover if overtraining doesn't exist then.

So everybody's symptoms are imagined, even the monitored heart rate, and we can just carry on and on without resting?


Perhaps it's more common in the endurance world.....I don't know what type of training you are all doing to not experience the misery of overtraining, yes, even with enough fuel to repair and support the workouts. It goes beyond that. During periodization, you plan or spend a set small amount of time overtrained then get out of it at just the right time. It's meticulously planned and can be abused very easily without an experienced coach. Many amateurs like myself and my training buddies fall into overtraining, they specialise in Ironman, but I only do sprint distances and it doesn't take long to get overdone. But I'm pushing speeds like 21min 5k, at age 43, really intense training, WAY up the heart rate zones.

That's my experience with overtraining, and the years of reading and talking to coaches and athletes. I can't remember anyone finding it a very amusing subject worthy of LOLs, but maybe that's a bravado thing....

Undertraining is more common than overtraining. Too much theory and this is not how athletes train. Training barriers don't exists if you need to push through and become a top performer. Train hard for few weeks, deload/rest and get stronger is something lot of athletes do. I ran five Half marathons in five weeks, finishing 3rd in one race. Every one told me how I need to rest after my first half marathon and not run a race every weekend. Its offseason for my running, I lift heavy twice a day now, made huge gains because i train hard and deload. Yes, there is a slight fall in the strength and performance after 4-6 weeks, thats when you deload. After taking it easy for a week, the gains are huge not because of rest but rubber banding effect from training hard followed by a lower load.

Strength coach: Elliott Hulse made a youtube video giving a simple test kinda like using heart rate variability using biofeedback to let your body tell you if something is wrong using grip strength. Grab some heavy weights, look at a clock and time how long you can hold the weight before your grip gives out. Retest every week. If your time goes down, you're either overtraining or undereating. Pretty simple and free!

Overtraining is pretty close to a myth. Soreness is ok, stop if there is pain. I used to squat heavy 14 times a week and was sore first week after that my body got used top it. But, make sure you reload every 4-6 weeks, take it easy for a week or two.

No. It's a very real and dangerous thing. It can permanently screw you up. There are people out there that have NEVER recovered. My bodpod guy is one of them. He used to train with Mo Farrer, he was that good. Anyway at 17, he didn't listen to himself, became ill, tried to catch up after time off then destroyed himself. He can't feel heat or cold, his hormones are whacked, he can't do sports, he is very nervy when he didn't used to be, it's scary. He did a PHD on overtraining syndrome. It's very interesting.

All athletes hover under and over the overtraining line, it's how you get fit. I've made myself sick overtraining. Sleep patterns screw up, hormones, eating, tummy issues, injuries, depression, tiredness aches and pains. A lot of athletes keep a constant log of their morning rested heart rate and mark themselves out of 10 for well being and tiredness every day in their diaries. It's no myth, it's very common, particularly in amateurs like myself who don't have a coach and follow periodization or hypertrophy programmes.

Look up Joe Friel's information on this syndrome, very useful and informative.

LOL. Ok. I work with coaches who train pro athletes, they laugh at this crap. You need to be smart and there is nothing like over training. You should look up how olympic lifters, power lifters train. People need to de-load for rubber banding effect to kick in.

You need to be smart about what? NOT over training?

Then why does de-loading exist? Holiday?

What is this 'rubber banding', do you mean recovery? Why do we need to recover if overtraining doesn't exist then.

So everybody's symptoms are imagined, even the monitored heart rate, and we can just carry on and on without resting?


Perhaps it's more common in the endurance world.....I don't know what type of training you are all doing to not experience the misery of overtraining, yes, even with enough fuel to repair and support the workouts. It goes beyond that. During periodization, you plan or spend a set small amount of time overtrained then get out of it at just the right time. It's meticulously planned and can be abused very easily without an experienced coach. Many amateurs like myself and my training buddies fall into overtraining, they specialise in Ironman, but I only do sprint distances and it doesn't take long to get overdone. But I'm pushing speeds like 21min 5k, at age 43, really intense training, WAY up the heart rate zones.

That's my experience with overtraining, and the years of reading and talking to coaches and athletes. I can't remember anyone finding it a very amusing subject worthy of LOLs, but maybe that's a bravado thing....

Undertraining is more common than overtraining. Too much theory and this is not how athletes train. Training barriers don't exists if you need to push through and become a top performer. Train hard for few weeks, deload/rest and get stronger is something lot of athletes do. I ran five Half marathons in five weeks, finishing 3rd in one race. Every one told me how I need to rest after my first half marathon and not run a race every weekend. Its offseason for my running, I lift heavy twice a day now, made huge gains because i train hard and deload. Yes, there is a slight fall in the strength and performance after 4-6 weeks, thats when you deload. After taking it easy for a week, the gains are huge not because of rest but rubber banding effect from training hard followed by a lower load.

'Undertraining is more common than overtraining'. Who with? You? General sweeping statement, pretty vague....

'Too much theory and this is not how athletes train'. What theory are you referencing? Periodization? Rest?

'Training barriers.....' Are you the bionic man? Of course there's barriers! We are hovering on them constantly! That's what makes it so exciting, and that's why athletes injure themselves a lot. Barriers, human limitations.

Then you confirm periodization and the need to rest every few weeks. I'm really confused with your responses, they seem to contradict themselves.

It sounds like you have your training well balanced though, pushing hard, then resting and recovering and gaining strength and fitness during those periods without...you know...like...what's that word...yeah...overtraining.

Overtraining is pretty close to a myth. Soreness is ok, stop if there is pain. I used to squat heavy 14 times a week and was sore first week after that my body got used top it. But, make sure you reload every 4-6 weeks, take it easy for a week or two.

No. It's a very real and dangerous thing. It can permanently screw you up. There are people out there that have NEVER recovered. My bodpod guy is one of them. He used to train with Mo Farrer, he was that good. Anyway at 17, he didn't listen to himself, became ill, tried to catch up after time off then destroyed himself. He can't feel heat or cold, his hormones are whacked, he can't do sports, he is very nervy when he didn't used to be, it's scary. He did a PHD on overtraining syndrome. It's very interesting.

All athletes hover under and over the overtraining line, it's how you get fit. I've made myself sick overtraining. Sleep patterns screw up, hormones, eating, tummy issues, injuries, depression, tiredness aches and pains. A lot of athletes keep a constant log of their morning rested heart rate and mark themselves out of 10 for well being and tiredness every day in their diaries. It's no myth, it's very common, particularly in amateurs like myself who don't have a coach and follow periodization or hypertrophy programmes.

Look up Joe Friel's information on this syndrome, very useful and informative.

LOL. Ok. I work with coaches who train pro athletes, they laugh at this crap. You need to be smart and there is nothing like over training. You should look up how olympic lifters, power lifters train. People need to de-load for rubber banding effect to kick in.

You need to be smart about what? NOT over training?

Then why does de-loading exist? Holiday?

What is this 'rubber banding', do you mean recovery? Why do we need to recover if overtraining doesn't exist then.

So everybody's symptoms are imagined, even the monitored heart rate, and we can just carry on and on without resting?


Perhaps it's more common in the endurance world.....I don't know what type of training you are all doing to not experience the misery of overtraining, yes, even with enough fuel to repair and support the workouts. It goes beyond that. During periodization, you plan or spend a set small amount of time overtrained then get out of it at just the right time. It's meticulously planned and can be abused very easily without an experienced coach. Many amateurs like myself and my training buddies fall into overtraining, they specialise in Ironman, but I only do sprint distances and it doesn't take long to get overdone. But I'm pushing speeds like 21min 5k, at age 43, really intense training, WAY up the heart rate zones.

That's my experience with overtraining, and the years of reading and talking to coaches and athletes. I can't remember anyone finding it a very amusing subject worthy of LOLs, but maybe that's a bravado thing....

Undertraining is more common than overtraining. Too much theory and this is not how athletes train. Training barriers don't exists if you need to push through and become a top performer. Train hard for few weeks, deload/rest and get stronger is something lot of athletes do. I ran five Half marathons in five weeks, finishing 3rd in one race. Every one told me how I need to rest after my first half marathon and not run a race every weekend. Its offseason for my running, I lift heavy twice a day now, made huge gains because i train hard and deload. Yes, there is a slight fall in the strength and performance after 4-6 weeks, thats when you deload. After taking it easy for a week, the gains are huge not because of rest but rubber banding effect from training hard followed by a lower load.

But that's exactly the point that was being made about over training; that you need to rest/deload periodically to prevent it. This does not prove that overtraining doesn't exist. In fact, quite the opposite. That's like saying sports injuries don't exist. :noway:

Deload doesn't mean overtraining, Overtraining is something out of the norm, say like lifting twice a day for same body part when every one says take a day off in between the lifts. Deload has nothing to do with over training, its more for rest in between high intensity training.