Overweight and anorexic?

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  • fogr
    fogr Posts: 2 Member
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    What a nice, clear factual answer :)
  • yopeeps025
    yopeeps025 Posts: 8,680 Member
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    Right. It's why i've stopped weighing, basically. (Well, not actually... up 4#, clothes fitting looser except in the chest and shoulders. lol)

    The BF% is what matters. However, for the OP the added data of bone density from the DEXA scan would probably be good info for her to have.

    I am with you 100% on that. I just gave some options so she can stop saying she is overweight due to scale.
  • mnricha927
    mnricha927 Posts: 23 Member
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    DSM diagnostic criteria for anorexia are:

    Refusal to maintain a body weight that is at or above the minimum normal weight for your age and height

    Intense fear of gaining weight or becoming fat, even though you're underweight

    Denying the seriousness of having a low body weight, or having a distorted image of your appearance or shape

    In women who've started having periods, the absence of a period for at least three consecutive menstrual cycles (http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/anorexia/basics/tests-diagnosis/con-20033002)

    At most, you'd be more likely to qualify for EDNOS :^) I wouldn't worry about anorexia.
    solid first post: an internet non-diagnosis.
    You have NO FRIGGING idea if she has anorexia or not. All you do know is you can find anorexia in the DSM.
    THINK pls. A glance at your friends list and your profile suggests that you are pro-ana and your weight loss ticker looks like an advertisement for zombie thinspiration. Please don't share that philosophy here.

    What a rude response to an educated post. If the OP does not fit the weight criterion for Anorexia Nervosa or still has her menses then she does not have the illness, bottom line. EDNOS is Eating Disorder Not Otherwise Specified. It means that she can fall under many other characteristics for Anorexia Nervosa, but doesn't totally meet the strict criteria. Those criteria are there for a reason; so someone can get the correct treatment and help he or she needs.
    No, a random person cannot diagnose online, but it doesn't take a multiple degrees in the field to understand there may be an unhealthy relationship with food present. There was no actual diagnosis, just a likelier scenario. "I wouldn't worry about anorexia." should not have been stated, though. I will give you that part.
  • moraiwebird
    moraiwebird Posts: 71 Member
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    What a rude response to an educated post. If the OP does not fit the weight criterion for Anorexia Nervosa or still has her menses then she does not have the illness, bottom line. EDNOS is Eating Disorder Not Otherwise Specified. It means that she can fall under many other characteristics for Anorexia Nervosa, but doesn't totally meet the strict criteria. Those criteria are there for a reason; so someone can get the correct treatment and help he or she needs.

    A bazillion times this! I've been inpatient for both. There's a reason they are different diagnoses

    For someone who is, say 20 pounds underweight, the brain is so compromised by starvation that the absolute number one priority is weight gain. Without gaining weight, someone with anorexia will not be able to participate in the psychological treatment because of their cognitive state. An EDNOS patient doesn't need to gain weight, so the number one priority is the psychological treatment. Group therapy with people who are emaciated revolves around food, weight, calories, food, calories, carbs, fat, weight, body fat percentage, food, calories. In the starved state, it's very hard to get deeper into treatment. When weight is put on, the fog clears a bit, and then you talk about more significant things. Typically weight leaving a residential facility is still only about 90% of a healthy range, but enough that you can continue outside therapy with depth.

    EDNOS can turn into Anorexia, but until then it's not the same thing.
  • dbmata
    dbmata Posts: 12,950 Member
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    nvm.
  • mnricha927
    mnricha927 Posts: 23 Member
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    You're new here.

    I'll let you in on something. By and large the community does not respond favorably to someone trying to make an eating disorder diagnosis on another online, particularly when they don't have a verified professional license and are practicing.

    You have no basis to make a diagnosis, and frankly, adding the easily googled content from the DSM looks more a form of concern trolling, than actual concern.

    Now you know.

    If you're referring to me being new here, only on paper. I have lurked for almost a year and only just decided to join for reasons such as this.
  • yopeeps025
    yopeeps025 Posts: 8,680 Member
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    You're new here.

    I'll let you in on something. By and large the community does not respond favorably to someone trying to make an eating disorder diagnosis on another online, particularly when they don't have a verified professional license and are practicing.

    You have no basis to make a diagnosis, and frankly, adding the easily googled content from the DSM looks more a form of concern trolling, than actual concern.

    Now you know.

    If you're referring to me being new here, only on paper. I have lurked for almost a year and only just decided to join for reasons such as this.

    He was referring to below
    DSM diagnostic criteria for anorexia are:

    Refusal to maintain a body weight that is at or above the minimum normal weight for your age and height

    Intense fear of gaining weight or becoming fat, even though you're underweight

    Denying the seriousness of having a low body weight, or having a distorted image of your appearance or shape

    In women who've started having periods, the absence of a period for at least three consecutive menstrual cycles (http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/anorexia/basics/tests-diagnosis/con-20033002)

    At most, you'd be more likely to qualify for EDNOS :^) I wouldn't worry about anorexia.
  • MKEgal
    MKEgal Posts: 3,250 Member
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    How can an overweight person be anorexic?
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/medical/anorectic
    lacking appetite

    You can still have the mental disorder(s) related to unhealthy eating, lack of appetite, unrealistic body image, etc.
    a 5-day 700cal intake and a weekend of 1600 cal intake will offset all the hard work of the weekdays. I mean, how seriously wrong is that? I have to maintain a 1200 at least, 7-day diet without the weekend glory of 1600 to lose weight. The body grabs all it can from the weekends as it gets ready to face another 5 days of 700cal. I never thought of it that way.

    As for anorexia, I still don’t believe I have it. I pick at food and really portion control but I don’t think I’ve hit that mark and I don’t plan to. I need to keep my calorie intake as stable as possible and continue on this journey. I wanna lose that 10 kilograms the right way and I’m re-starting today.
    Since you only have 20 lb to lose, if you are 250 cal below what you need for sustaining your current weight (10x weight in lb) you'll lose about 0.5 lb per week, which is appropriate & healthy.
    Yes, starving yourself will make it much harder to lose weight, and especially to maintain that weight once you straighten out your unhealthy eating patterns.
    Just do it right the first time, so you don't have to re-learn how to eat.
    why do I need to lose 10kg? to prove to myself I can... I was always, always overweight as a teen, am a bit overweight now and I wanted to reach my goal of 55kg for a 5"5" height
    At 5'5" you should be 115 - 145
    http://www.shapeup.org/bmi/bmi6.pdf
    You're currently toward the top end of a healthy range. (143)
    You are _not_ "a bit overweight"!
    121 would be toward the bottom end of a healthy range.
    There's really no reason to lose the weight.
    Try weightlifting, to tone what you have & lose inches, and I'll bet you'll feel & look great.

    To get to 121, eat 1210 cal per day. (10x weight)
    Or aim for closer to the middle of the healthy range & have 1300.
  • mnricha927
    mnricha927 Posts: 23 Member
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    You're new here.

    I'll let you in on something. By and large the community does not respond favorably to someone trying to make an eating disorder diagnosis on another online, particularly when they don't have a verified professional license and are practicing.

    You have no basis to make a diagnosis, and frankly, adding the easily googled content from the DSM looks more a form of concern trolling, than actual concern.

    Now you know.

    If you're referring to me being new here, only on paper. I have lurked for almost a year and only just decided to join for reasons such as this.

    He was referring to below
    DSM diagnostic criteria for anorexia are:

    Refusal to maintain a body weight that is at or above the minimum normal weight for your age and height

    Intense fear of gaining weight or becoming fat, even though you're underweight

    Denying the seriousness of having a low body weight, or having a distorted image of your appearance or shape

    In women who've started having periods, the absence of a period for at least three consecutive menstrual cycles (http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/anorexia/basics/tests-diagnosis/con-20033002)

    At most, you'd be more likely to qualify for EDNOS :^) I wouldn't worry about anorexia.

    Well, that makes much more sense :)
  • dbmata
    dbmata Posts: 12,950 Member
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    Yeah, I misquoted, then said, IDGAF and deleted it.

    Sorry.
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member
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    The average anorexic eats about 800 calories a day. It's an illness, and has nothing to do with size.
    Plus most of them start out overweight or at a healthy weight. You don't get to 70 pounds overnight.
  • zombiexmama13
    zombiexmama13 Posts: 5 Member
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    i was recently diagnosed ana.... im 311 lb.... i have all of the red lights.... im just fat. i starve my body and have a fear of eating .... my psychologist is making me seek help from a specialist. :/ i kept this secret for 20 yrs. im devastated and relieved.
  • gothchiq
    gothchiq Posts: 4,590 Member
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    So bump it up to 1200 calories a day of good nutritious things, like lean meats, veggies, fruits, you know, good clean unprocessed foods. And make sure you do something like go walking, yoga, etc most days for your exercise. That should get you on the right track. Eating only 700 cals will waste your muscles and organs and take calcium out of your bones, which will mess you up permanently. It will be harder to tip yourself over *into* an eating disorder if you make sure to start taking care of yourself now.
  • amagus
    amagus Posts: 71 Member
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    I would like to start with, I am impressed that you are taking a hard look at your practices and are making changes to stay healthy. I big part of what your Mom is seeing is the fact that you are losing more weight to " to prove to myself I can". That is not a sustainable reason and what will happen when you get to that goal and decide you want to lose 1 or 2 more kgs. It is a slippery slope. You are doing a great job addressing the healthy eating and exercise. The only suggestion I have for you is to think about why you need to prove to yourself that you can hit an arbitrary target.
  • FeefWV
    FeefWV Posts: 36 Member
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    I know what you mean. I eat very healthy. I weigh everything and do not deviate. What I do realize now is that any type of exercise is crucial and as much as I hate it, I force myself to drink water.
  • FeefWV
    FeefWV Posts: 36 Member
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    I agree with your advice. Eating good food - from ALL food groups. Taking a daily supplement may be helpful too. I love Myfitnesspal. It's realistic and I love the feedback!
  • GrippMrs
    GrippMrs Posts: 1 Member
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    In reality, because she is not underweight, she could not be diagnosed as anorexic, so the post was correct. If she does have an ED, it would be classified as EDNOS. Don't get on a high horse. Many people on here struggle with eating disorders and know a lot more about them than you would think.
  • WillLift4Tats
    WillLift4Tats Posts: 1,699 Member
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    In reality, because she is not underweight, she could not be diagnosed as anorexic, so the post was correct. If she does have an ED, it would be classified as EDNOS. Don't get on a high horse. Many people on here struggle with eating disorders and know a lot more about them than you would think.

    I don't know who you're referring to here, but no. There is no weight limit in the diagnostic criteria of anorexia nervosa.

    OP, I'm really glad you're looking into strength training. It will do you a world of good for not only your body, but your mind. The confidence boost alone will take you far. Good luck and be good to yourself.
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member
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    In reality, because she is not underweight, she could not be diagnosed as anorexic, so the post was correct. If she does have an ED, it would be classified as EDNOS. Don't get on a high horse. Many people on here struggle with eating disorders and know a lot more about them than you would think.

    I don't know who you're referring to here, but no. There is no weight limit in the diagnostic criteria of anorexia nervosa.

    OP, I'm really glad you're looking into strength training. It will do you a world of good for not only your body, but your mind. The confidence boost alone will take you far. Good luck and be good to yourself.
    She might be thinking of the diagnosis when it isn't an ED but just a diagnosis of being underweight, often due to another illness.

    You can be diagnosed as anorexic without having anorexia nervosa. In that case, it makes sense what she said -- where it's a physical illness and not a mental illness.
  • dbmata
    dbmata Posts: 12,950 Member
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    In reality, because she is not underweight, she could not be diagnosed as anorexic, so the post was correct. If she does have an ED, it would be classified as EDNOS. Don't get on a high horse. Many people on here struggle with eating disorders and know a lot more about them than you would think.

    Where do you practice medicine?

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