It's okay to be fat

jordanlell
jordanlell Posts: 340 Member
edited September 23 in Motivation and Support
Before you begin berating me with exactly why it's NOT okay, hear me out. I'm writing a paper for school and I want to hear what you all have to say about it. My topic is the idea that "It's okay to be fat." People actually believe this. There are many supporters of the idea that people can be fat and perfectly healthy, and happy. They insist that people should just accept being overweight, or even obese, as just a part of themselves and be content with it. So basically, they shouldn't try to lose weight and become, as we all know they could, much healthier.

What d'ya think?

Replies

  • DangerRanger
    DangerRanger Posts: 327 Member
    Interesting.... I can't wait to read the comments.
  • jedday
    jedday Posts: 119
    It is an interesting concept and I am sure will make for an interesting paper. I just don't see how it is healthy for long term. The stress it puts on your joints alone is got to be a problem. I would like to read your paper when you are done.
  • fitoverfifty
    fitoverfifty Posts: 192 Member
    I suppose I understand where they are coming from... If they are content, and so are their partners...then it's nobody elses business.
    It's very possible they are very healthy and very active, but it will catch up with them.
    Sometime in the future they will deal with health problems related to obesity, or at least have great difficulty getting around.

    The sad part is that some of these people have been obese since childhood, and they have no idea what it feels like to be thin and healthy.
    They sometimes believe they are "built" that way. ( bigger bones etc.)

    I am happy for them that they love themselves, and each other...that is after all the most important thing......but i think they would have such a greater quality of life if they were healthier and slimmer.
  • 305muscle
    305muscle Posts: 97 Member
    sorry but being fat should never be ok. society has tried to make it like its fine and thats the problem lifespam keeps getting shorter for this generation mainly here in the u.s
  • I actually saw a TV show on showtime called B.S. with Penn & Teller, and they did a whole episode on why people that are constantly all about how being fat is bad, is BS. It was actually really interesting because they had everything backed up with evidence and it was a very good argument. If you have Netflix and can instant stream, it's called Penn & Teller: Bullsh*t Season 5 episode 1: Obesity. I see their points and I see the idea behind the arguments that being fat is good if you are ok with it yourself, but personally I think that being healthy is the best option. To the guy above, society has in no way said it's "ok" to be fat. I am fat, and everywhere I turn it's, "Eat this not that" "model skinny is in" I know women that weigh 100 pounds and are saying "I wish I could lose weight." I don't think that society is saying be fat. I think if anything society is saying, "Eat Me, but be a skinny turd of an individual."
  • kimwig
    kimwig Posts: 164
    Before you begin berating me with exactly why it's NOT okay, hear me out. I'm writing a paper for school and I want to hear what you all have to say about it. My topic is the idea that "It's okay to be fat." People actually believe this. There are many supporters of the idea that people can be fat and perfectly healthy, and happy. They insist that people should just accept being overweight, or even obese, as just a part of themselves and be content with it. So basically, they shouldn't try to lose weight and become, as we all know they could, much healthier.

    What d'ya think?
    It is a bit like people thinking "it is OK to smoke cigarettes", they think they are healthy now, they do not (at the moment) suffer any problems, they can still work and play, and you hear things like "my gradfather smoked all is life and lived to be 90!! .... etc etc.

    It is not until it is "too late" do they realise that it was not good for them, but in the cancer ward or similar they can not turn back the clock and say "I wish I had not...."
  • I'm interested in your paper as well...I know I'm not ever happy when I'm fat, but then again...I'm not exactly when I'm thinner either. Maybe there's a balance somewhere. I have heard that people who are just slightly overweight tend to be happier than people who aren't, but that may be just a Texas tall tale.
  • Let's take a look at what "healthy" means. If it based specifically on medical tests, and bloodwork, etc, then yes, I suppose someone who is overweight could be considered "healthy". But it should really be considered "healthIER" than the other overwieght person. But certainly not healthy.

    As pp post stated, the weight is hard on joints, organs, and everything. There is a REASON why we have the BMI scale--to help us determine our weight ratio in comparison to health. Anyone above the "healthy" range, is immediately placed in an "unhealthy" category. It's really quite simple.

    Society unfortunately puts "skinny" as healthy--which is NOT the ultimate picture of health. Health is a WHOLE body issue, not just how skinny you look, as MANY skinny people are still not healthy.

    As for people deciding that it's okay to be fat--let me give you my personal opinion. I've struggled with emotional eating my whole life, and sometimes, I just want to eat and forget everything. It's easier to eat what you want, it's more FUN to eat and pig out. It doesn't require working hard, and pushing yourself. It allows for laziness and apathy. I think that people who say that it's okay to be fat, have something else inside that they don't want to deal with. Either it's as simple as laziness, or it's something much deeper and the weight is just an outlet for emotional hurts, or whatever it might be.

    But i dont' think anyone actually WANTS to be fat. Or WANTS to be unhealthy. If society begins to say "it's okay to be fat", then those who don't want to deal with it, don't have any reason to anymore (other than health of course--but no push from others).

    I say all of this with COMPLETE understanding of being in that situation, not quite ready to make the change, but unhappy with where I was at with regards to my weight. As for me, there was a LOT more associated with weight than just the number on the scale. I don't speak for everyone, this is just my opinion of course, but I think most people have a lot more inside of them than just numbers.
  • runs4zen
    runs4zen Posts: 769 Member
    I've heard that off and on over the years too...one particular plus size model, Emme, is/was a proponent of that belief. Regardless, medical research and evidence continuously refutes that being fat is healthy. It affects literally everything that goes on--or doesn't go on--in one's body. For some folks, it prohibits breathing easily.

    That brings us to the second part of the idea, that people need to be content with being obese. That's not going to happen on a grand scale because obesity prohibits people from doing many of the things in life that make them happy: travel, outdoor activities, feeling confident about how they present themselves to the world, bettering themselves in any manner, including themselves in their family's memories through pictures and videos, etc. Then there's the obvious bugaboo--society does not accept corpulent folks in the manner that it welcomes those that are thinner. So being content with oneself when one is obese is not going to be supported either. Have you ever gone to a bar and been completely looked through like you weren't there because you were heavier? Who generally gets the guy in the movies? Who do you see looking at you in commercials selling "healthy" things? As an overweight woman, how does it feel to go shopping in the Woman's section that's seperated from the "normal" size clothing like being heavy is a communicable disease?

    My point is, to be completely comfortable being overweight or even obese, there has to be a societal shift. It can't just happen in your head. It's not right. It's not kind. It's a blight on our societal makeup but it's there.
  • fitoverfifty
    fitoverfifty Posts: 192 Member
    O.....and also ...watch the movies " King corn" and " Food Inc"...it explains why many people are obese, and feel they have no power to change it........look what's in the foods we eat!
  • Haha, I in no way want to know, it's would scare the living crap out of me!
  • jadedone
    jadedone Posts: 2,446 Member
    I agree with this statement.

    Here is my definition of being healthy: eating well and getting moderate exercise. It is entirely possible to be strong -- physically, mentally and cardiovascularly without being of "healthy weight." Not everyone is going to be able to maintain a BMI of 23 and be healthy.

    There are also plenty of people who are "skinny" and not healthy at all. They have horrible eating habits and zero strength, and a high percentage of body fat.

    We have a picture that "thin=healthy" but the best way to find healthy is really based on actual data: blood work and health status.

    If your heart is healthy, your arteries are clear, cholesterol is normal, blood pressure is normal, and you have the the strength and agility to live your life you can safely be fit and fat. Focusing on the number on the scale shouldn't be the only measure of health.
  • Mads1997
    Mads1997 Posts: 1,494 Member
    Obesity related issues are becoming more of a burden on society than smoking is.
  • jordanlell
    jordanlell Posts: 340 Member
    I want to state that I'm not necessarily equating thin with healthy, or even with beautiful. But I'm talking people that are OBESE. My theory, a bit undeveloped and simple as of yet, is that they've simply given up on themselves. It is easier to eat whatever you want, however much you feel like, and sit around all day doing nothing. But I believe that a happy body is a healthy, active one, and your body has to be happy before you can really be happy.
  • jordanlell
    jordanlell Posts: 340 Member

    That brings us to the second part of the idea, that people need to be content with being obese. That's not going to happen on a grand scale because obesity prohibits people from doing many of the things in life that make them happy: travel, outdoor activities, feeling confident about how they present themselves to the world, bettering themselves in any manner, including themselves in their family's memories through pictures and videos, etc.

    Think I might use this a bit. Sounds silly, but I hadn't really thought of all that stuff yet.
  • runs4zen
    runs4zen Posts: 769 Member

    That brings us to the second part of the idea, that people need to be content with being obese. That's not going to happen on a grand scale because obesity prohibits people from doing many of the things in life that make them happy: travel, outdoor activities, feeling confident about how they present themselves to the world, bettering themselves in any manner, including themselves in their family's memories through pictures and videos, etc.

    Think I might use this a bit. Sounds silly, but I hadn't really thought of all that stuff yet.

    Happy to have helped! :)
  • Look up the term "fat acceptance". The first few hits I get on Google all seem good. It's a movement that goes into the psychological and mental health of weight and body image, and is all about being happy what we have NOW and not constantly be waiting for what we may be at the end of a diet. As others have mentioned, obesity affects our mental health to varying extents depending on who we are, and for some people accepting themselves and being happy as they are is a more "right" way than working hard to lose that weight. Or maybe it's the right thing to do -now-, as a survival thing, so that there will be a person alive once there's the mental power to change and lose the weight. It's all about quality of life, and accepting ourselves and each other. Working on being healthy isn't right for everyone, and it isn't the right thing to do at all points in our lives.

    So yeah, look up fat acceptance. I looked into it a little a few years back but never got really into it, so go to the actual source for the real information on it. It's not the devil just because it advocates being happy with who you are and how you look. (Personally, I think a balance between acceptance and a healthy lifestyle is the way to go. I'm starting to realise that there's no sudden switch when I reach a healthy BMI or whatever; I'll still just be me and if I can't be happy being me now, then there's no reason I should be happy being me 40lbs away.)
  • monkeydharma
    monkeydharma Posts: 599 Member
    OK - my $.02US...

    First off, 'fat', 'obese', 'healthy' and 'happy' all need to be defined. All are vague terms that mean something different to each person who thinks/discusses this.

    When one considers that most body images are media-driven for advertising purposes, and that we all have a tendency to compare ourselves to these 'ideals', then yeah - we need to let loose of those and accept that most of us will never look like the 'perfect' body. Even when I was thin, my thighs and butt were stockier than the average guy (think Robin Williams) and it always bugged me. I understand that once I get this excess weight off, and get myself into decent shape, I should accept the body shape that I was given at birth. That's body acceptance, and in my view, being 'happy with being fat'.

    The problem however is that most people who espouse the happy/fat connection are basically trying to tell us to stop making them feel guilty for their morbid obesity. OK - I can dig that - but once their obesity starts damaging furniture, raising my insurance premiums, flowing over the plane seat into my space - then it is also MY problem. If you're in MY space, than you can bet I will tell you to get rid of it.
  • mtwd65
    mtwd65 Posts: 51
    I agree with this statement.

    Here is my definition of being healthy: eating well and getting moderate exercise. It is entirely possible to be strong -- physically, mentally and cardiovascularly without being of "healthy weight." Not everyone is going to be able to maintain a BMI of 23 and be healthy.

    There are also plenty of people who are "skinny" and not healthy at all. They have horrible eating habits and zero strength, and a high percentage of body fat.

    We have a picture that "thin=healthy" but the best way to find healthy is really based on actual data: blood work and health status.

    If your heart is healthy, your arteries are clear, cholesterol is normal, blood pressure is normal, and you have the the strength and agility to live your life you can safely be fit and fat. Focusing on the number on the scale shouldn't be the only measure of health.

    I don't think you have described a fat person, you have described a heavy person. Not everyone is going to get down to a BMI in the low end of the healthy range, some people are going to be overweight according the scales but not fat. That is different to knowing you need to lower your weight to improve your health. ie you can be 'overweight but not fat. (Conversely you can be a perfect weight according to the scales and need to lose weight for health and fitness)
  • Cytherea
    Cytherea Posts: 515 Member
    I think you are definitely only going to get one side of the story here, lol. Of course people on this site don't think it is ok- if they did, they wouldn't be here!

    However, there is something to be said for accepting yourself for who you are. I came to terms with the fact that I was fat and was just going to be fat a long time ago (and yes, my BMI was in the obese category- I was RIGHT on the line of being morbidly obese (which is a BMI of 40- mine was 39.something).

    I had no health problems that were related to my weight. In fact, I have health problems that contribute to my weight gain and inability to lose weight (PCOS). I was also perfectly happy with myself and my life, other than some uncontrollable things that had nothing to do with my weight (my dad getting cancer, for example, and being homesick because I live across the country from my family). I never looked in the mirror with disgust. Sure, I might have gotten frustrated if I didn't like the way a certain outfit looked on me one day, but that happens to skinny people too. My weight never stopped me from being myself and doing what I wanted. I traveled and went on vacations where we walked everywhere without problems, I went to the beach and I went swimming, I was completely confident in myself and my abilities as a person, and my weight didn't matter at all. It rarely even crossed my mind.

    I had no life-altering experience that made me want to lose weight. I decided one day, a little over a year ago now, that I was going to give it a shot. I have no reason or explanation as to why. I didn't have concerns about being healthy or wanting children, I didn't want to look skinny or sexy or fit into normal clothes... I just thought that I had never really quite tried hard enough and maybe I should do that. So I did. And here I am.

    My BMI is in the just regular overweight category now. It went down 10 points and 3 categories (obese class 2, obese class 1, overweight). And I am the same exact person that I was a year ago. I'm just as happy and confident with myself. In fact, when I was visiting family over the holidays, one of my aunts, in complementing me on my weight loss, said that I was more confident than she had ever seen me. To be honest, her comment really bothered me. She automatically assumed that I MUST be feeling more confident because I lost weight- when in fact, I was pretty damn proud of myself for completing my Master's degree and having just finished up my first semester of teaching college. She's right, I WAS more confident- but it had absolutely nothing to do with my weight.

    If anything, I'm more critical now than I ever was when I didn't think about my weight. I look at myself in the mirror and criticize everything. I have to remind myself constantly that my little pooch/muffin top is nothing compared to the rolls I had before. I worry about weighing myself and think about the size I want to be wearing when I try on clothes. None of things used to concern me. Would I say I was happier then? I don't know. Maybe I was. It feels good when people notice your weight loss and lavish praises on you, but sometimes, it is a bit embarrassing too. I don't always like to be noticed that much. And sometimes, it makes you wonder if that's all you are. Do people only see you as a physical body, and don't see you as a person? As something more?

    Happiness is more than physical. You don't need the perfect body, or even a healthy body to be happy. Happiness comes from a life well-lived. A skinny person, or a healthy person, is not necessarily living a good life. Plenty of skinny people are not happy, and plenty of morbidly obese people are. I am loved by a wonderful man, I have an amazing family, and some of the best friends a person could hope for. I've traveled more than many people will in their lifetime and have no intent on stopping there. I don't have a lot of money, but I have enough to survive without struggling. I am intelligent. I can positively affect the lives of those around me. Overall, I have lived a good life thus far, and I am happy. And I was just as happy a year ago, because I lived my life the same way then as I do now in just about every way that matters. The only difference is that I look a little bit different physically, I obsess over food, and I actively try to exercise now. But none of those things have increased my happiness level whatsoever.

    Is it possible to be fat and happy? Of course it is.
  • mtwd65
    mtwd65 Posts: 51
    It is ok to be heavy, it is not ok to be fat. The reasons:

    ok to be heavy:-
    1. We are all born with different builds only 90% fit into the 'normal' weight for height range. There will be people who naturally are at the extreme bottom and top of the range.
    2. A person who works out extensively can weigh as much as a person who is carrying far too much fat due to overeating/ not exercising etc. One is at their healthy weight the other is not.

    not ok to be fat:-
    1. from their own perspective they have less energy, they are putting more strain on their organs therefore they are more likely to suffer from various illnesses.
    2. from a community perspective, they are more likely to have illnesses, this means they are more likely to need medical care and cost the community by an increased need for a healthcare budget, lower economic output due to sick days being required etc.

    People need to accept their natural shape but this doesn't mean that they should accept that they have to have a high body fat % to cover their frame. I will never be 6' tall, I've accepted that, I will never get rid of my scoliosis and resulting tilted pelvis but I can get rid of the excess fat and eat healthy to ensure my health for the future and reduce the strain on my spine and pelvis..
This discussion has been closed.