Calories... but what is the best source...for Fat Loss!!!

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Can you really eat what you want to lose weight as long as you are under your calorie count for the day? Does it matter if you eat a piece of fruit of a diet bar which are actually the same calorie count???

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  • kk_stephens
    kk_stephens Posts: 129 Member
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    Natural is always better, in my opinion.
  • vaavamom1
    vaavamom1 Posts: 136 Member
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    quality of food matters.fruit always better than a bar. more natural the better.
  • LorinaLynn
    LorinaLynn Posts: 13,247 Member
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    You CAN eat nothing but Twinkies and lose weight, but it's not the best way to do it.
  • melissatacker
    melissatacker Posts: 91 Member
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    I find that calories are what matter but there are different things that influence weight loss such as not consuming too many calories at once but rather split them up over smaller meals...like saving up most of your calories for one big dinner isn't the best idea even though you are below or at your calorie intake for the day. But that's just what works better for me, everyone is different :smile:
  • NightOwl1
    NightOwl1 Posts: 881 Member
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    You can lose weight no matter what you eat. Studies have been done where people have ate nothing but junk food, but kept within their calories, and they have still lost the weight. So anyone telling you that you have to eat a certain way in order to lose weight isn't telling you the truth

    Now that being said, losing weight and living healthy are not the same thing. If you want to live healthy in addition to losing weight, then eating natural and making sure you get enough whole grains, fruits, vegetables, and a good balance of complex carbs, monounsaturated fats, and proteins is the best way to go.
  • cerysrhi
    cerysrhi Posts: 262
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    I think a little of what you like will keep you on track there was no way I could go from my old eating habits to a balanced diet so quickly so I have a "naughty" snack every day and tend to still have take away once a week and eat out once a week (all within calories) In my opinion it has helped me to lose what i have cos I don't feel like I'm on a diet or deprived myself of my favorite foods x
  • gadzu
    gadzu Posts: 7
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    According to the nutritionist in this story, it all comes down to calories.

    An interesting read: http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html

    (CNN) -- Twinkies. Nutty bars. Powdered donuts.

    For 10 weeks, Mark Haub, a professor of human nutrition at Kansas State University, ate one of these sugary cakelets every three hours, instead of meals. To add variety in his steady stream of Hostess and Little Debbie snacks, Haub munched on Doritos chips, sugary cereals and Oreos, too.

    His premise: That in weight loss, pure calorie counting is what matters most -- not the nutritional value of the food.

    The premise held up: On his "convenience store diet," he shed 27 pounds in two months.

    For a class project, Haub limited himself to less than 1,800 calories a day. A man of Haub's pre-dieting size usually consumes about 2,600 calories daily.So he followed a basic principle of weight loss: He consumed significantly fewer calories than he burned.

    His body mass index went from 28.8, considered overweight, to 24.9, which is normal. He now weighs 174 pounds.

    But you might expect other indicators of health would have suffered. Not so.

    Haub's "bad" cholesterol, or LDL, dropped 20 percent and his "good" cholesterol, or HDL, increased by 20 percent. He reduced the level of triglycerides, which are a form of fat, by 39 percent.

    "That's where the head scratching comes," Haub said. "What does that mean? Does that mean I'm healthier? Or does it mean how we define health from a biology standpoint, that we're missing something?"

    Despite his temporary success, Haub does not recommend replicating his snack-centric diet.

    "I'm not geared to say this is a good thing to do," he said. "I'm stuck in the middle. I guess that's the frustrating part. I can't give a concrete answer. There's not enough information to do that."

    Two-thirds of his total intake came from junk food. He also took a multivitamin pill and drank a protein shake daily. And he ate vegetables, typically a can of green beans or three to four celery stalks.

    Families who live in food deserts have limited access to fresh fruits and vegetables, so they often rely on the kind of food Haub was eating.

    "These foods are consumed by lots of people," he said. "It may be an issue of portion size and moderation rather than total removal. I just think it's unrealistic to expect people to totally drop these foods for vegetables and fruits. It may be healthy, but not realistic."

    Haub's body fat dropped from 33.4 to 24.9 percent. This posed the question: What matters more for weight loss, the quantity or quality of calories?

    His success is probably a result of caloric reduction, said Dawn Jackson Blatner, a dietitian in Chicago, Illinois.

    "It's a great reminder for weight loss that calories count," she said. "Is that the bottom line to being healthy? That's another story."

    Blatner, a spokeswoman for the American Dietetic Association, said she's not surprised to hear Haub's health markers improved even when he loaded up on processed snack cakes.

    Being overweight is the central problem that leads to complications like high blood pressure, diabetes and high cholesterol, she said.

    How well are you managing your diabetes?

    "When you lose weight, regardless of how you're doing it -- even if it's with packaged foods, generally you will see these markers improve when weight loss has improved," she said.

    Before jumping on the Ding Dong bandwagon, Blatner warned of health concerns.

    "There are things we can't measure," said Blatner, questioning how the lack of fruits and vegetables could affect long-term health. "How much does that affect the risk for cancer? We can't measure how diet changes affect our health."

    On August 25, Haub, 41, started his cake diet focusing on portion control.

    "I'm eating to the point of need and pushing the plate or wrapper away," he said.

    He intended the trial to last a month as a teaching tool for his class. As he lost weight, Haub continued the diet until he reached a normal body mass index.

    Before his Twinkie diet, he tried to eat a healthy diet that included whole grains, dietary fiber, berries and bananas, vegetables and occasional treats like pizza.

    "There seems to be a disconnect between eating healthy and being healthy," Haub said. "It may not be the same. I was eating healthier, but I wasn't healthy. I was eating too much."

    He maintained the same level of moderate physical activity as before going on the diet. (Haub does not have any ties to the snack cake companies.)

    To avoid setting a bad example for his kids, Haub ate vegetables in front of his family. Away from the dinner table, he usually unwrapped his meals.

    Study: U.S. obesity rate will hit 42 percent

    Haub monitored his body composition, blood pressure, cholesterol and glucose, and updated his progress on his Facebook page, Professor Haub's diet experiment.

    To curb calories, he avoided meat, whole grains and fruits. Once he started adding meat into the diet four weeks ago, his cholesterol level increased.

    Haub plans to add about 300 calories to his daily intake now that he's done with the diet. But he's not ditching snack cakes altogether. Despite his weight loss, Haub feels ambivalence.

    "I wish I could say the outcomes are unhealthy. I wish I could say it's healthy. I'm not confident enough in doing that. That frustrates a lot of people. One side says it's irresponsible. It is unhealthy, but the data doesn't say that."
  • Yzfdude1
    Yzfdude1 Posts: 23 Member
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    @Nightowl, do you have any links to those studies? I'm really interested in reading how a high carbohydrate diet allows you to lose weight.
  • sarahliftsUP
    sarahliftsUP Posts: 752 Member
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    You want to lose weight but build muscle.. you don't want to lose fat & muscle. This is why nutrition is so important for weight loss. If you have a variety of nutrients from vegetables, fruits, whole grains, lean proteins, and dairy, you will be fine!

    Pretty sure if you were just eating a diet of twinkies and staying under calories, sure you'd lose weight, but in they end I think you'd resemble one.. A little too fluffy in the middle!
  • NightOwl1
    NightOwl1 Posts: 881 Member
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    @Nightowl, do you have any links to those studies? I'm really interested in reading how a high carbohydrate diet allows you to lose weight.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/2010/11/09/2010-11-09_lose_weight_eating_junk_food_nutrition_professor_drops_27_pounds_on_twinkie_diet.html
  • sarahbear119
    sarahbear119 Posts: 80 Member
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    I would try to make healthly choices and eat what is better for you.
  • scagneti
    scagneti Posts: 707 Member
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    I'm starting it off with basically just cutting calories (although I am going with whole wheat over white) so that I have somewhere to go when I get down to the last stubborn pounds and so I don't freak out all at once and give up.

    I'm finding that with working out, I don't CRAVE what I used to (I still love ice cream and cookies and stuff) but more like a treat instead of a "it's a Wednesday night, let's eat a dozen chocolate chip cookies because we can". But I could cut out a lot of processed stuff -- and will when I find that it's time to jump to that next step. Starting off with kale and tofu doesn't give you a whole lot of places to go though!