Splenda (and evil artifical sweetners) go Stevia!

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  • lilmissy2
    lilmissy2 Posts: 595 Member
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    I understand the desire to go sweetener free for a 'while there are no proven dangers (which there aren't by the way), it's not proven safe' kind of motivation. I don't understand the whole 'go stevia because it's natural' thing though... arsenic is natural, but it's still poison! Stevia is banned in several countries for a reason, so I personally would risk Splenda before I risked Stevia.
  • InnerSkinnyGirl
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    you could also try agave its a natural sweetener as well and i buy it from a health food store its caramel coloured granules

    Agave nectar is another product that is healthy from a health food store, but the ones found on regular grocery store shelves has been found to have HFCS in it.

    Things found in main stream stores often times are "marketed" as healthy when in fact they are highly processed and no longer in a healthy state.

    Is this Popular Natural Sweetener Worse than High Fructose Corn Syrup?
    Posted By Dr. Mercola | July 03 2010 | 255,434 views


    Many people interested in staying healthy have switched to agave as a safer "natural" sweetener. They want to avoid well documented dangerous sweeteners like HFCS (high fructose corn syrup) but are unaware that most agave is actually WORSE than HFCS.

    Once I realized this, I wrote a special report on agave to inform the public of this danger. I was somewhat surprised that the report would prompt such a firestorm of debate within the industry.

    A number of natural agave manufacturers and health conscious consumers still proclaim agave is a safe, all-natural sweetener that is good for everyone.

    Some have even criticized me for having ulterior motives. But nothing could be further from the truth. Although I do offer natural health products for sale on this site, I sell no competing products to agave.

    Rather, I recommend other options such as stevia products. You can also use xylitol in small amounts or glucose, which is sold commercially as dextrose, and can easily be purchased on Amazon for $1 per pound. I do not sell any of these products.

    My only purpose for sharing this information is to help people understand the truth about health. In case you haven't noticed, we have an epidemic of obesity in the US and it wasn't until recently that my eyes opened up to the primary cause -- fructose.

    Yes, it is all about freedom of choice. It is hard to have freedom if you aren't given the entire story, and up until now that has been the case with agave.

    Are Natural Agave Products Any Better?

    Some agave manufacturers were quite upset with our article -- to put it mildly.

    To be fair, I decided to actually purchase three of the most popular "natural" agave products and have them independently tested, at our expense, at a reputable third party commercial laboratory.

    The three products I sent off to the lab were:

    NOW Foods Organic Amber Agave Nectar
    Madhava Agave Nectar
    Wholesome Sweetener Organic Blue Agave
    There was no particular reason I chose these three brands, other than they are the products I've seen advertised and heard mentioned most often by agave syrup users.

    And the Winner is: None of the Above!

    The results support my point that they are ALL quite high in fructose, ranging from 59 to 67 grams of fructose per 100-gram sample.

    It is important to note that high fructose corn syrup has 55 percent fructose. As you can see below, every one of these products far exceeded the fructose in high fructose corn syrup by considerable amounts.

    The other variable that needs to be considered is whether or not the fructose is conjugated to glucose or another sugar molecule, as this would moderate the detrimental effects of fructose somewhat.

    High fructose corn syrup fructose is 55 percent free floating fructose totally dissociated from glucose. This is also the case in nearly all the lower quality agave products as they are highly processed. Some of the higher quality agave products may be processed in a way that preserves the fructose bonding and thus somewhat limits its damage.

    We did not test for fructose conjugation in our test, but even if it were, the Wholesome Sweetener Organic Blue Agave had 21 percent more fructose than high fructose corn syrup.

    Product

    % Fructose

    % Glucose

    NOW Foods Organic Amber Agave Nectar

    59.1

    12.8

    Madhava Agave Nectar

    63.8

    10.1

    Wholesome Sweetener Organic Blue Agave

    67.0

    5.8

    Fructose is Fructose

    I have written about the dangers of sugar for quite some time, and of course, variables like exercise and calorie intake play a role in obesity. But more recently, I have gained access to evidence specific to fructose and its primary role in creating obesity -- evidence that is VERY hard to ignore.

    I am fully convinced that if we can educate the public about how fructose is different from other sugars metabolically, we can actually reverse and eventually eliminate the obesity epidemic.

    The evidence is overwhelming.

    I would encourage those of you who remain doubtful that fructose is any worse than any other sugar to look at the work done by Dr. Richard Johnson, chief of the kidney disease and hypertension department at the University of Colorado, and author of The Sugar Fix, one of the best books on the market on the health dangers of fructose—specifically, how fructose causes high blood pressure, heart disease, obesity, diabetes and kidney disease.

    One of the surprising facts discussed in my first interview with Dr. Johnson is how detrimental the impact of fructose is on your uric acid level.

    For those of you who maintain that "a sugar is a sugar is a sugar," fructose -- and fructose ALONE -- drives up uric acid. The connection between fructose, uric acid, hypertension, insulin resistance/diabetes and kidney disease is so clear that your uric acid level can be used as a marker for toxicity from fructose.

    According to Dr. Johnson:

    "We've just finished a clinical trial where we gave a low fructose diet to overweight and obese adults from Mexico City.

    "We tried two different low fructose diets, but first, before we go into that, we think that the effects of fructose are independent of its energy intake. So,table sugar (sucrose) -- which contains fructose and glucose -- although there is a caloric component, we think that the effects of fructose are not specifically related to the calories but rather to its mechanism, of which uric acid is a driving part.

    "... [Uric acid levels] being too high seems to really increase the risk for diabetes and high blood pressure, kidney disease and obesity. And in fact, there are more and more papers coming out showing that connection."

    If you doubt fructose is the leading contributor to obesity, then I urge you to watch an excellent video presentation by Dr. Robert H. Lustig, M.D. of the University of California San Francisco, Division of Endocrinology and Metabolism, which masterfully illustrates just exactly HOW the liver's breakdown of fructose leads to obesity and chronic disease.

    Much of the fructose you eat is literally stored as fat. The carbohydrate fructose is converted into fatty acids (lipogenesis), which is then stored in your body's fat cells as fat.

    Back to the Agave Issue

    Now, getting back to the agave syrup issue.

    Some readers' comments on the original agave article indicated to me that some missed the point of what I was saying about agave use. So let me restate my position more carefully.

    It largely boils down to a quantity issue.

    You need to keep your daily dose of ALL fructose down to below 25 grams per day. Additionally, you can use your blood uric acid level as a marker of sensitivity to fructose. If your uric acid level is above 4 mg/dl for men and 3.5 mg/dl for women, you are probably better off avoiding fructose in most forms.

    I have nothing against the agave plant.

    Like many plants, the agave undoubtedly has many different phytochemicals with health-supporting properties. The problem lies in the processing, which, like any food processing, destroys most of these nutrients. Obviously, branded products undergo different amounts and types of processing, under different temperatures, etc.

    What you're left with, then, is a high-fructose syrup, similar metabolically to high fructose corn syrup in terms of metabolic impact. Regardless of the organic-ness, regardless of the care taken in processing, regardless of the overall quality -- agave syrup is mostly fructose. Plain and simple.

    But even this is not a problem, IF your syrup is free of chemicals, and IF you are using it in very small quantities, and IF you have no issues such as obesity, metabolic syndrome, kidney or heart disease.

    Unfortunately, most people cannot satisfy all those IFs.

    If you are diabetic or insulin resistant, you'll want to avoid these concentrated sugars altogether, regardless of the product quality.

    If you are among the fortunate few without any of those health problems, congratulations! You're definitely doing something right. Just keep your overall fructose usage below 25 grams per day, agave syrup included. One teaspoon of agave syrup has 4 grams of fructose.

    Naturally, agave syrup brands are going to differ quite a bit in quality, as all products do. If you are going to use it, you'll have to judge for yourself what is true quality versus marketing hype.

    Agave's Favorable Glycemic Index is Meaningless

    The fact that agave has a favorable glycemic index (GI) is often mentioned in its defense. But GI does not tell the entire story.

    Agave syrup and other high-fructose sweeteners have metabolic consequences that aren't measured by an immediate insulin spike. This is why I have never advocated using the GI to select your foods.

    It is possible to have a low fasting glucose yet have significantly elevated insulin levels.

    In fact, some people with particularly robust insulin responses actually have very normal blood glucose levels because their insulin suppresses blood glucose for some time. If this is going on, you are essentially pre-diabetic and should reduce or eliminate fructose altogether. But you would never know it by just spot-checking your blood sugar after consuming a dose of agave syrup!

    On the topic of agave, Dr. Johnson made the following recommendation:

    "We have not done any specific research with agave or with honey. But I do believe that those two compounds, because they're so high in fructose, probably will engage the same pathways that we see when we give fructose or sugar to animals.

    So I would not recommend those as sweeteners to use daily."

    Speaking of honey, I am more of a honey fan than agave for the simple reason that the benefits of raw, organic honey have been scientifically established. And the honey I recommend is whole, raw and unprocessed. But I would give you the same caution with honey as with agave syrup -- if you are fructose sensitive, you should be minimizing it or avoiding it altogether since it is also 70 percent fructose.

    So, keep your dose below 25 grams of TOTAL fructose from all sources per day, and reduce this amount if you are sensitive to fructose.

    How do you know if you are fructose sensitive?

    Have your uric acid level checked. Your uric acid level should be about 4.0 mg/dl if you are a man or 3.5 mg/dl if you are a woman. (For more about this, refer to my interview with Dr. Johnson from May 18, 2010.)

    Busting Mythbusting Myths

    Finally, I must mention a website that was commented on by some of my readers, which contains some misinformation. The site is www.agavemythbuster.com. This is a website done by one of the companies whose product I actually tested and found to contain nearly two thirds fructose.

    Unfortunately, myths are being perpetuated -- not busted here such as seeking to confuse people that there is really a clinical difference between fructans and inulin, the form of starch that agave initially stores fructose in.

    Simply speaking inulin is a fructose polymer in which the fructose molecules are interconnected. This is clearly better than free floating fructose that is present in HFCS or many lower quality agaves, but once you swallow the inulin your body will rapidly convert it to fructose, so ultimately, you will still receive a similar amount of fructose. You are not somehow 'magically" protected from the fructose because it is initially complexed as fructose polymer.

    They also state that agave nectar does not contribute to liver inflammation, insulin resistance, cardiovascular disease, or obesity. Nothing could be further from the truth and I am really shocked that the FTC doesn't come down on them like a ton of bricks for false advertising.

    The evidence is BEYOND clear. There are loads of studies establishing that when you consume fructose in the high levels that are typically consumed by most Americans, your risk for all of these diseases dramatically increases.

    Let me be clear about high levels. Fructose is ONLY safe when consumed below 25 grams per day. What agave and HFCS manufacturers FAIL to tell you is that the AVERAGE American is consuming 70 grams per day.

    While individuals may be able to tolerate larger doses of a complexed fructose polymer like inulin, ultimately it is broken down to fructose and they will need to metabolically address this sugar, which at doses typically consumed is a metabolic poison.

    Most agave producers spout nearly identical garbage that the HFCS industry claims, They would have you believe that there really is no difference between glucose and fructose.

    They claim that consuming large amounts of glucose or fructose is equally harmful. They simply have chosen to ignore the mountain of scientific evidence that proves fructose has clearly different metabolic pathways than glucose, and is much closer to alcohol with its chronic toxicity profile.

    Some Fructose is OK

    Remember fructose is not a poison like aluminum or mercury that needs to be avoided at any dose. It is only a poison when you consume it at doses greater than 25 grams per day OR if you have elevated uric acid levels which appear to be a marker for fructose toxicity.

    It is possible to safely consume agave or honey but you would have to be very strategic and careful about it. First you would have to eliminate ALL other sources of fructose in your diet, (fruits, fruit juices, sodas, most processed foods) and then restrict your dose to less than 40 grams of agave per day, which is less than three tablespoons. Anything more than that would put you over the 25 grams-per-day limit, at which fructose toxicity begins.

    What the agave and HFCS industry seem to completely ignore is that we have two epidemics in the US that are directly related to fructose consumption: obesity and diabetes. The largest source of calories in the US is from fructose.

    For most Americans, fructose can act like a poison. However, if you are healthy, normal weight, do not have diabetes, high blood pressure, or high cholesterol, then you certainly can enjoy fructose in moderation and it will cause you no harm or damage.

    Similar to Tobacco Industry Misinformation

    This blatant misrepresentation of scientific truth reminds me of the same nonsense that the tobacco industry spouted. Up until the 90s they were vigorously denying that tobacco was addictive or increased the risk of cancer.

    Of course, today nearly everyone realizes that this is utter nonsense.

    This is an atrocious misrepresentation and in my opinion, some type of legal action should result. Hopefully we won't have to follow the tobacco model and wait decades and engage in many class action law suits before we see change.

    You can simply vote with your wallet and choose safer sweeteners like stevia or glucose (dextrose). This will avoid the need of any type of government intervention and will force industry to adjust their practices to meet the educated consumer demand.
  • InnerSkinnyGirl
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    Agave Nectar: Good or Bad?
    Thursday, January 07th, 2010 | Author: KristenM |

    Is agave nectar good? Is agave nectar bad? Believe it or not, I thought I’d written a definitive post on this topic.

    As it turns out, I hadn’t. Earlier this week a reader emailed me, seeking an answer to the classic question: Agave nectar — good or bad? She pointed out that she’d done a search for agave nectar on this site and only turned up two entries. In one, I’d said to avoid it. In another, I mentioned that I’d used agave nectar while experimenting with kombucha and didn’t enjoy the results.

    So, she concluded: “Why, if agave nectar is a natural sweetener, should it not be used? What about it is bad? I’ve been preferring it to honey and maple syrup on my waffles, pancakes, and yogurt.”

    I realized then that I needed to post a definitive guide to agave nectar, answering the question once and for all. This is it.

    Agave Nectar: Good or Bad?

    The short answer to that reader’s question is simple: agave nectar is not a “natural sweetener.” Plus, it has more concentrated fructose in it than high fructose corn syrup. Now, let’s get into the details.

    Agave Nectar Is Not A Natural Sweetener

    Once upon a time, I picked up a jar of “Organic Raw Blue Agave Nectar” at my grocery store. It was the first time I’d ever seen the stuff in real life, and the label looked promising. After all, words like “organic,” “raw,” and “all natural” should mean something. Sadly, agave nectar is neither truly raw, nor is it all natural.

    Based on the labeling, I could picture native peoples creating their own agave nectar from the wild agave plants. Surely, this was a traditional food, eaten for thousands of years. Sadly, it is not.

    Native Mexican peoples do make a sort of sweetener out of the agave plant. It’s called miel de agave, and it’s made by boiling the agave sap for a couple of hours. Think of it as the Mexican version of authentic Canadian maple syrup.

    But this is not what agave nectar is. According to one popular agave nectar manufacturer, “Agave nectar is a newly created sweetener, having been developed in the 1990s.” In a recent article now posted on the Weston A. Price foundation’s website, Ramiel Nagel and Sally Fallon Morell write,

    Agave “nectar” is not made from the sap of the yucca or agave plant but from the starch of the giant pineapple-like, root bulb. The principal constituent of the agave root is starch, similar to the starch in corn or rice, and a complex carbohydrate called inulin, which is made up of chains of fructose molecules.Technically a highly indigestible fiber, inulin, which does not taste sweet, comprises about half of the carbohydrate content of agave.

    The process by which agave glucose and inulin are converted into “nectar” is similar to the process by which corn starch is converted into HFCS. The agave starch is subject to an enzymatic and chemical process that converts the starch into a fructose-rich syrup—anywhere from 70 percent fructose and higher according to the agave nectar chemical profiles posted on agave nectar websites.

    Compare that to the typical fructose content of high fructose corn syrup (55%)!

    In a different article, Rami Nagel quotes Russ Bianchi, managing director and CEO of Adept Solutions, Inc., a globally recognized food and beverage development company, on the similarities between agave nectar and high fructose corn syrup:

    They are indeed made the same way, using a highly chemical process with genetically modified enzymes. They are also using caustic acids, clarifiers, filtration chemicals and so forth in the conversion of agave starches into highly refined fructose inulin that is even higher in fructose content than high fructose corn syrup.

    So there you have it. Agave nectar is not traditional, is highly refined, and actually has more concentrated fructose than high-fructose corn syrup. It is not a “natural” sweetener. Thus far, the evidence definitely points toward the conclusion: Agave Nectar = Bad.

    “But,” you ardent agave nectar enthusiasts say, “agave nectar has a low glycemic index. I’m a diabetic, and it’s the only sweetener I can use!”

    What’s wrong with fructose?

    First, we need to clarify something. Concentrated fructose is not found in fruit, or anywhere else in nature. When the sugar occurs in nature, it is often called “levulose” and is accompanied by naturally-occurring enzymes, vitamins, minerals, fiber, and fruit pectin. Concentrated fructose, on the other hand, is a man-made sugar created by the refining process. To clarify:

    Saying fructose is levulose is like saying that margarine is the same as butter. Refined fructose lacks amino acids, vitamins, minerals, pectin, and fiber. As a result, the body doesn’t recognize refined fructose. Levulose, on the other hand, is naturally occurring in fruits, and is not isolated but bound to other naturally occurring sugars. Unlike man-made fructose, levulose contains enzymes, vitamins, minerals, fiber, and fruit pectin. Refined fructose is processed in the body through the liver, rather than digested in the intestine. Levulose is digested in the intestine. (source)

    I want you to pay special attention to those last two sentences, for they are a huge key that will help unlock the mystery of why fructose is bad for you.

    Because fructose is digested in your liver, it is immediately turned into triglycerides or stored body fat. Since it doesn’t get converted to blood glucose like other sugars, it doesn’t raise or crash your blood sugar levels. Hence the claim that it is safe for diabetics.

    But it isn’t.

    That’s because fructose inhibits leptin levels — the hormone your body uses to tell you that you’re full. In other words, fructose makes you want to eat more. Besides contributing to weight gain, it also makes you gain the most dangerous kind of fat.

    This has been verified in numerous studies. The most definitive one was released just this past year in the Journal of Clinical Investigation. The full study is available online, but for the sake of space I’m including Stephan’s (of Whole Health Source fame) summary here:

    The investigators divided 32 overweight men and women into two groups, and instructed each group to drink a sweetened beverage three times per day. They were told not to eat any other sugar. The drinks were designed to provide 25% of the participants’ caloric intake. That might sound like a lot, but the average American actually gets about 25% of her calories from sugar! That’s the average, so there are people who get a third or more of their calories from sugar. In one group, the drinks were sweetened with glucose, while in the other group they were sweetened with fructose.

    After ten weeks, both groups had gained about three pounds. But they didn’t gain it in the same place. The fructose group gained a disproportionate amount of visceral fat, which increased by 14%! Visceral fat is the most dangerous type; it’s associated with and contributes to chronic disease, particularly metabolic syndrome, the quintessential modern metabolic disorder (see the end of the post for more information and references). You can bet their livers were fattening up too.

    The good news doesn’t end there. The fructose group saw a worsening of blood glucose control and insulin sensitivity. They also saw an increase in small, dense LDL particles and oxidized LDL, both factors that associate strongly with the risk of heart attack and may in fact contribute to it. Liver synthesis of fat after meals increased by 75%. If you look at table 4, it’s clear that the fructose group experienced a major metabolic shift, and the glucose group didn’t. Practically every parameter they measured in the fructose group changed significantly over the course of the 9 weeks. It’s incredible.

    Back to our original question — Agave Nectar: Good or Bad?

    The conclusion is clear. Agave nectar is bad for you. It’s not traditional, not natural, highly refined, and contains more concentrated fructose than high fructose corn syrup.

    (photo by edgeplot)
  • larisadixon
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    I say if you want to use it, use it. They also say using a cell phone gives you brain cancer or something. Can anyone not win for losing. Cheer up people and kudos to you for finding a sweetener you like!
  • mbrotnitsky
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    Okay- I have one question- How much damage can one teaspoon of graunulated (white sugar) a day be for you. This is what I put in my coffee? I've tried artificial sweeteners and all of them taste like poison to me.
  • FearAnLoathing
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    http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/artificial-sweeteners


    it has been linked to cancer in lab rats not humans there has yet to be any hard evedince that it causes cancer in humans
  • Still_Sossy
    Still_Sossy Posts: 868 Member
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    Jillian Michaels suggests using xylitol or stevia. Splenda is created by adding chlorine molecules to sugar. According to her book on metabolism, Splends actually mess's with yours by interfering with Leptin.
  • FearAnLoathing
    FearAnLoathing Posts: 4,852 Member
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    I use truvia,which I ran out of so im stuck using the sweet n low that somehow made its way into my pantry.
  • Mike523
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    Stevia is a natural sweetener. Truvia and Purevia are not. These "stevia-based" products are manufactured by the Coca-Cola and Pepsi Cola companies (who are known for always feeding us only the healthiest of products.... /sarcasm). They use only parts of the stevia molecule, a genetically modified version of it in fact, and highly refine the product using acetone and other toxic chemicals - not very natural if you ask me.

    I'll stick with just LF milk in my coffee, thanks.
  • GettingFit45
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    I have never used artificial sweetners but decided to try it out in my morning tea to save a few calories. Here in Canada cyclamate is available so I purchased a box and tried it out the following day. It tasted fine but it immediately did some odd stuff to my tummy. I was bloated and felt awful so that was the last time I used it.

    I have no idea why (and didnt notice when I bought it) that it has a warning label saying only to take under the advice of a physician! What is it doing in the food aisle then!

    I wont use it again.
  • wriglucy
    wriglucy Posts: 1,064 Member
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    http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/artificial-sweeteners


    it has been linked to cancer in lab rats not humans there has yet to be any hard evedince that it causes cancer in humans

    Yep....no link in humans.

    http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/features/stevia-faq-whats-next-for-the-sugar-substitute