For math nerds who also run: how fast would you be if you we
daddyratty
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I've developed a formula that I am convinced projects with fairly good accuracy how fast you'd be if you were running with less weight.
I know that there are a lot of factors that go into how fast you run, but here is the basic idea behind it:
One calorie (actually a kilocalorie) is the amount of energy required to move one kilogram a distance of one kilometer. So after a run, I figure out my burn rate in calories per hour. The formula then substitutes various mini-goal weights into this calorie/hour rate to see the distance you would propel yourself if you were exerting that same effort at a lower weight.
If you are using non-metric measurements:
Take your time in seconds (eg 10 minutes = 600) and multiply this by 1.609 (call this "A") - this is converting miles to km
Take your goal (or mini goal) weight and divide by 2.204 (call this "B") - this is converting lbs to kg
Take your calories burned and divide by "B" (call this new number "C")
Finally, find "A" divided by "C" and this is the *PACE* of your mile at whatever goal weight you inserted into finding "B"
For example, last Saturday I ran 2 miles at a 11:54 pace. If I were at my goal weight of 195, in the same physical conditioning as I currently am and if I exerted the same amount of effort (in calories per hour), I would run this distance at about an 8:29 pace.
If you're not sure how to do all this, but you're curious, you can add your info to this thread or in a private message and I'll be glad to run them through and msg you back or post here.
I know that there are a lot of factors that go into how fast you run, but here is the basic idea behind it:
One calorie (actually a kilocalorie) is the amount of energy required to move one kilogram a distance of one kilometer. So after a run, I figure out my burn rate in calories per hour. The formula then substitutes various mini-goal weights into this calorie/hour rate to see the distance you would propel yourself if you were exerting that same effort at a lower weight.
If you are using non-metric measurements:
Take your time in seconds (eg 10 minutes = 600) and multiply this by 1.609 (call this "A") - this is converting miles to km
Take your goal (or mini goal) weight and divide by 2.204 (call this "B") - this is converting lbs to kg
Take your calories burned and divide by "B" (call this new number "C")
Finally, find "A" divided by "C" and this is the *PACE* of your mile at whatever goal weight you inserted into finding "B"
For example, last Saturday I ran 2 miles at a 11:54 pace. If I were at my goal weight of 195, in the same physical conditioning as I currently am and if I exerted the same amount of effort (in calories per hour), I would run this distance at about an 8:29 pace.
If you're not sure how to do all this, but you're curious, you can add your info to this thread or in a private message and I'll be glad to run them through and msg you back or post here.
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This is very interesting. I thoroughly enjoy logic puzzles and math problems like this! I will read it more in depth in a few minutes. :happy:0
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Wao I will come back to this0
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3.3 miles - 49 minutes.
Let's follow your guide: 49 min * 60 sec = 2,940 seconds
convert to Km = 4,730.46 (A)
Goal weight = 135 / 2.204 (convert to Kg) = 61.25 (B)
Calories burned (I'm guessing you mean what I burned during my run?) 544 / 61.25 = 8.88
A / C = pace so 4,730.46 / 8.88 = 532.7
is this number in seconds? if so, 532.7 / 60 = minutes / Km
8.8 min / 1 Km or 5.52 min / 1 Mile
So I'm hoping I followed this right, showing that yesterdays run at 153.2 lbs was...14:51/mile
and hopefully at goal weight of 135 lbs I will travel 5:52 /mile
That is a HUGE increase and makes me feel like I am doing something wrong. If I didn't... then wow I look forward to my goal even more!0 -
bump....to figure out my time later0
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Something's amiss on this ... I don't think I put the numbers in right, but your pace would be 13:06 if you did nothing differently other than just losing the weight and exerting the same amount of calories per hour.0
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I did it, too, and it came up weird at first, but not converting it back to miles seemed to put a more reasonable mile time. I think somewhere in the equation it was already converted back. I'll have my hubby look at it later tonight, though.
Here's my equation:
A= 1335.47
B= 66.243
C= 2.264
A/C=589.87
Just dividing that by 60 to put it into minutes, I get a 9.83 min mile.
And the one for Sarah44254 would actually end up being 8.88 min mile. It looks like you used 3.3 miles instead of 1 mile for your numbers. Just reduce those down then you're good!
I'd be seriously happy with that if I can actually do it! That'd mean just under a 31 min 5k and I'd be ecstatic with that!0 -
Yeah, but it just takes into account the loss of weight, so the 13:06 mile is correct. Conditioning is another benefit, but that's not factored into this formula. It basically says "unload the extra weight and how fast could you run today."
I went back to my spreadsheet to look at the formula. I was making it too complicated before ...
1.61dt / c
d = desired weight (kg)
t = time (in seconds) of the total run you just completed
c = total calories burned in run you just completed
Remember that it gives you an answer in seconds, so you have to then divide this by 60 to get the minutes. This is just the mile pace that you'd run if you were able to shed the weight today.0 -
OK, so here's how I derived the formula:
Start by finding your calories burned. I found that most online calculators, HRM's, etc., were reasonably close to the technical definition of a kilocalorie (what we call a calorie), and that is the energy required to move one kilogram a distance of one kilometer. Physics comes into play here, because any change we exact on the movement (shoes, surface, etc.) has an impact on the calories burned. But it generally is within 10% from my experience.
So to find your calories burned, divide your weight in pounds by 2.2 to convert it to kilograms. Then multiply your miles traveled by 1.61. You now have the total number of kilograms and the total number of kilometers. Multiply these two numbers and you have your estimate for calories burned. Even if you don't have a Garmin, a stand-alone HRM, etc., you can try this on your numbers and you'll probably find that the calories from this calculation and the calories given from a site like this are reasonably close.
But how "fast" were these calories burned? You burn roughly the same calories walking a mile as you do running a mile (though running faster can burn more calories), so you have in this a notion of calories per hour. If a 100 kg (220 lbs) person runs 1 kilometer in 6 minutes, they will run 10km (6.2mi) per hour, so their km is burned at a rate of 1000 cal/hour. Most of my runs are actually around this rate of calories per hour, and several years ago I ran a mile at a rate that was equivalent to over 1200 calories per hour.
To get calories per hour, take your calories burned and divide by the number of minutes you worked out (calories per minute), then multiply by 60 for calories per hour.
But if you were carrying less weight, you would not be propelling as much in your run, and so you would not burn as many calories going the same distance. In the example above, someone who 75 kg (165 lbs) running at the same pace would only burn 750 calories per hour. But what if they exerted more energy so that they were burning calories at the same 1000 calories per hour rate? Then the missing piece is to find out how far they need to go to burn 1000 calories.
The 75 kg person burns approximately 75 calories per kilometer, so it would take about 13-1/3 km to burn 1000 calories. This is 8.28 miles, which is a pace of 7.24 minutes per mile. Note that your calculator will give you HUNDREDTHS of a minute, not seconds. So 7.24 is NOT 7'24". To find out how many seconds .24 is, simply multiply it by 60 and you get 14.4. This gives you 14.4" ... the 220-pounder running a 9:41 mile, then, could conceivably exert the same muscular effort on a 165-pound body and run the same distance in approximately 7:14 per mile.
Obviously all of this does not take into account physical fitness. The 220-pound runner will probably be in better shape when they are 165 pounds and so if anything can be encouraged that their mile time might be FASTER than this.
If this doesn't make sense, think of it this way. Consider two people who both weigh 165 pounds and are in the same physical condition. If one of them straps 55 pounds (25kg) to their back and then they both run a mile at the same effort level, it would stand to reason that the one with the extra weight will go slower. To keep the same pace as his friend, the weight-laden runner will have to exert more energy.
So ... using all metric measurements, then, here's a summary of the stuff above:
Weight times distance traveled = calories
Calories divided by minutes, then multiplied by 60 = calories per hour (what I refer to as "effort level" in my training log)
Take effort figure (cals/hour) and divide by your desired weight (again, in kg). This is how far you would need to go IN ONE HOUR to burn the same calories at your goal weight. This figure is in km, so if you need miles, reconvert this by dividing by 1.61.
Divide: 60 ÷ distance you need to go at goal weight.
This figure is how fast you would need to run each mile to burn calories at the same rate, so if you exert the same level of effort when you're lighter, you should be able to run this fast.
WE'RE ALMOST TO THE SIMPLIFIED FORMULA ...
60 / { 1.61 * [ (weight) * (distance) * 60 ] / (length of run) } / (desired weight in kg)
There are so many fractions in there it makes most of us want to throw up a little in our mouths a little bit, but it simplifies to this:
1.61 * desired weight * time of run ... all divided by total calories just burned0
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