Not eating enough fat grams?
ambee0803
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If I don't eat all of the fat grams and instead eat only half will that in any way hinder my weight loss?
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Not at all-- it should help. Fat = 9 calories per gram, while carbs and protein only have 4. Extra fat = extra calories. Do, however, make sure that you are getting adequate amounts of fat (depending on your goals, I think 25-30 grams is usually good) and make sure that they are coming from non saturated sources, and that they are mostly poly/mono unsaturated.0
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Your body uses fat (and carbs) for energy and your heart is fueled exclusively by good fats. So they are important for your diet and health. But, eating more at one time than your body needs for energy will result in the excess being stored as fat. Eating under your fat goal shouldn't have any negative effects on your weight, but you should try to be closer to your goal and make sure your fat comes from healthy sources like olive oil, fish, nuts, avocados, etc. and not from cheese, meat, or other sources that are high in saturated fats.0
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When I was in T.O.P.S they recommended eating less than 20 grams of fat per day.0
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Your body uses fat (and carbs) for energy and your heart is fueled exclusively by good fats. So they are important for your diet and health. But, eating more at one time than your body needs for energy will result in the excess being stored as fat. Eating under your fat goal shouldn't have any negative effects on your weight, but you should try to be closer to your goal and make sure your fat comes from healthy sources like olive oil, fish, nuts, avocados, etc. and not from cheese, meat, or other sources that are high in saturated fats.
No offense though but saturated fat found in meats is actually good for you. Think about it ppl have been eatin meat for millions and millions of years. Mother nature type of thinking.... Now what isn't a healthy source is oils that are man made, coconut oil is healthy for you, it's all natural. Do some research, I use to think the same way until I reserached it!0 -
A complicated issue, even for those who spend their lives researching the issue. We'll just have to agree to disagree on some elements of the debate and each of us should rely on the data upon which we place the most confidence. :flowerforyou: Without embarking on the discussion/debate, here's where I come down on it after much research/education: I shoot for a daily fat consumption of 20% to 30% from healthy fats (I work to avoid saturated fats, animal fats, and all varieties of hydrogenated fats and I try to consume plenty of fats from salmon, nuts, avocados, olive oil, etc). A fat level that's too low, has shown negative consequences and not too long ago, I read a research article with evidence that our bodies can slow our weight loss in response to a deprivation of essential fat levels.
The easiest rule? Everything in moderation.
Hope that helps! :drinker:0 -
Healthy fats are necessary for bodily funcitons (including brain function) so it would be a good idea not to go too low. Though as long as you are getting some you should be all right. I don't know if it hinders weight loss, but I do know that it is important!!!0
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No offense though but saturated fat found in meats is actually good for you. Think about it ppl have been eatin meat for millions and millions of years. Mother nature type of thinking.... Now what isn't a healthy source is oils that are man made, coconut oil is healthy for you, it's all natural. Do some research, I use to think the same way until I reserached it!
Nope- saturated fats in meats are not good for us and never really have been. Even though our cavemen ancestors ate the fat, they were also a hell of a lot more active than we are nowadays- they needed to be in order to survive. They also didn't have things like desk jobs, processed foods, alcohol, etc. that make people in this day and age fat.0 -
Thanks. This dieting and eating healthy stuff is so coplicated! I have alot of trouble making sure im getting the right amount of calories and carbs and ectectect.
But as long as im trying im making a huge improvement tho0 -
Your body uses fat (and carbs) for energy and your heart is fueled exclusively by good fats. So they are important for your diet and health. But, eating more at one time than your body needs for energy will result in the excess being stored as fat. Eating under your fat goal shouldn't have any negative effects on your weight, but you should try to be closer to your goal and make sure your fat comes from healthy sources like olive oil, fish, nuts, avocados, etc. and not from cheese, meat, or other sources that are high in saturated fats.
No offense though but saturated fat found in meats is actually good for you. Think about it ppl have been eatin meat for millions and millions of years. Mother nature type of thinking.... Now what isn't a healthy source is oils that are man made, coconut oil is healthy for you, it's all natural. Do some research, I use to think the same way until I reserached it!
Yeah um...no offense, Saturated fats are definitely not good for you. They contribute to both obesity and heart disease, and this has been proven, and no registered dietician will ever tell you differently. Sure, people have been "eating meat for millions of millions of years...." but guess what. They also had a life expectancy of 28.
To the OP-- avoid animal fats (saturated) whenever possible, and get a balanced amount from plant/nut sources like avocado, almonds, etc.0 -
Your body uses fat (and carbs) for energy and your heart is fueled exclusively by good fats. So they are important for your diet and health. But, eating more at one time than your body needs for energy will result in the excess being stored as fat. Eating under your fat goal shouldn't have any negative effects on your weight, but you should try to be closer to your goal and make sure your fat comes from healthy sources like olive oil, fish, nuts, avocados, etc. and not from cheese, meat, or other sources that are high in saturated fats.
No offense though but saturated fat found in meats is actually good for you. Think about it ppl have been eatin meat for millions and millions of years. Mother nature type of thinking.... Now what isn't a healthy source is oils that are man made, coconut oil is healthy for you, it's all natural. Do some research, I use to think the same way until I reserached it!
Yeah um...no offense, Saturated fats are definitely not good for you. They contribute to both obesity and heart disease, and this has been proven, and no registered dietician will ever tell you differently. Sure, people have been "eating meat for millions of millions of years...." but guess what. They also had a life expectancy of 28.
To the OP-- avoid animal fats (saturated) whenever possible, and get a balanced amount from plant/nut sources like avocado, almonds, etc.
I only eat saturated fats found in meat, dairy, coconut oils and lard along with natural sources of proteins and veggies carbs. My cholesterol levels have gone from horrid (pre-dietary changes) to optimal (since I made the change to my diet). The reason our ancestors only lived short lives was because they died from injuries (infections) that occurred from daily life. Heart disease and diabetes were almost unheard of.0 -
I find the I am going slightly over in my fat grams, and staying slightly under in my saturated fat. Thoughts?0
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To the folks who endorse consuming saturated fats, I respectfully disagree and wish you the best. I completely agree with Ral263 and Mayor_West.
I'll never forget the recent lecture I attended where Dr. Kenneth Cooper (who coined the term "aerobic" exercise) spoke about how saturated and transfats are affecting people today. He noted that today, when they do autopsies on young kids (five through ten) who died of accidents (e.g., car accidents, etc.), they are finding build up in their arteries like they used to see only in people over fifty. At the Cooper Institute they talked extensively about the misinformation out there about how certain saturated fats are good for you and how "some" transfats are okay, and then provided a ton of literature to the contrary. They went over in detail why the (low carb, high fat) diets are dangerous and explained the science behind why some of the folks' numbers improved despite the dangers of those diets). I'd have to see some astonishing data (astonishing in quality and quantity) to controvert everything I have learned about the subject and change my mind on this one. But again ... we can agree to disagree. :happy:
I sincerely wish everyone success in their journey to better health. Remember that when one loses any measurable amount of weight, their numbers (cholesterol, etc.) are likely to improve dramatically (even on a high fat, low carb diet). So keep at it whatever you and your doctor determine is best for you. But always be open to the idea that it's possible to do even better. All of us can improve our diets, but everyone is to be commended on making the effort every day, step by step. :drinker:0 -
I find the I am going slightly over in my fat grams, and staying slightly under in my saturated fat. Thoughts?
A happy medium. If you're close to the range, you're fine! You're doing well ... keep it up!0 -
I think it is interesting that people use children as an example of elevated diabetes and heart disease and then blame it on saturated fats. Unbelievable....when the truth is they are fat from high ingestion of sugary drinks, snacks and high carbohydrate garbage in their diets. There are studies where children who have epilepsy are placed on high saturated fat diets to get them into ketosis for years at a time, become healthy (no seizures) and no other health markers developing while on the ketogenic diet.
(high cholesterol/HBP/diabetes). What do you say to the thousands of paleo dieters who never eat bread or pasta? There is more to one way to eat for health and fitness. Every body is different and as long as man-made, frankenfoods are avoided we get better.0 -
I think it is interesting that people use children as an example of elevated diabetes and heart disease and then blame it on saturated fats. Unbelievable....when the truth is they are fat from high ingestion of sugary drinks, snacks and high carbohydrate garbage in their diets. There are studies where children who have epilepsy are placed on high saturated fat diets to get them into ketosis for years at a time, become healthy (no seizures) and no other health markers developing while on the ketogenic diet.
(high cholesterol/HBP/diabetes). What do you say to the thousands of paleo dieters who never eat bread or pasta? There is more to one way to eat for health and fitness. Every body is different and as long as man-made, frankenfoods are avoided we get better.
To each their own, but honestly, I'd love to see any study conducted by a medical journal that endorses the intake of saturated animal fats.0 -
The Shocking Truth about Dietary Fats and Saturated Fats
You've been deceived into thinking that saturated fats are bad for you, but let's look at some facts below...
by Mike Geary - Certified Nutrition Specialist, Certified Personal Trainer
I’ll preface this article by saying that it will help if you have an open mind and accept that some of these facts are a slap in the face to politically correct nutrition in this day and age where fats are admonished by many doctors, health "experts", and the mass media.
To start, eating an adequate supply of healthy dietary fats is vitally important to your overall health. Fats are one of the main components in all of the cell membranes throughout your entire body. If you eat enough healthy natural fats, your cellular processes will proceed normally.
On the other hand, if you eat man-made, heavily processed, chemically altered fats (damaged fats) that are found in most processed foods, your cellular function will be impaired as these damaged fats become part of your cell membranes, the body will have to work harder to operate correctly, and degenerative diseases can develop.
In addition, healthy dietary fats are necessary for optimal hormone production and balance within the body and are therefore essential for the muscle building and fat burning processes. Other important functions that dietary fats play in a healthy body are aiding vitamin and mineral utilization, enzyme regulation, energy, etc.
I cringe every time I hear so called "health experts" recommend restriction of dietary fat, claiming that a low-fat diet is the key to good health, weight loss, and prevention of degenerative diseases. Restriction of any one macronutrient (protein, carbs, or fat) in your diet works against what your body needs and can only lead to problems.
All three basic macronutrients serve important functions for a lean, healthy, and disease-free body. As Dr. Mary Enig, Ph.D, and one of the leading fats researchers in the world, notes in several of her books and articles, there is very little true scientific evidence supporting the assertion that a high fat diet is bad for us.
For example, if these so called "health experts" that admonish fat are correct, and a low-fat diet is the solution to good health, then why did traditional Pacific Islanders who typically obtained 2/3 to 3/4 of their total daily calories from fat (mostly from coconut fat), remain virtually free from heart disease, obesity, and other modern degenerative diseases (that is, until Western dietary influences invaded)?
Also, why did traditional Eskimo populations, consuming up to 75% of their total caloric intake from fat (mostly from whale blubber, seal fat, organ meats, and cold water fish), display superior health and longevity without heart disease or obesity?
Why did members of the Masai tribe in Africa remain free from degenerative diseases and maintain low body fat percentages on diets consisting of large quantities of raw whole milk, blood, and meat? What about the Samburu tribe of Africa, which eats an average of 5 times the quantity of dietary fat (mostly from raw whole milk and meat) as overweight, disease-ridden Americans, yet Samburu members are lean, healthy, and free of degenerative diseases?
What about traditional Mediterranean diets, which are known to be very high in fat in some cases (sometimes up to 50-70% fat), and are also well known to be very healthy?
These examples of high fat diets and the associated excellent health of traditional populations around the world go on and on, yet it seems that many doctors, nutritionists, and media outlets still ignore these facts and continue to promote a diet that restricts dietary fat intake.
Well, the problem is that the good fats (the natural unprocessed health promoting fats) have gotten mistakenly lumped together in nutritional advice with the deadly processed fats and oils that make up a large percentage of almost all processed food that is sold at your local grocery store, restaurant, deli, fast food joint, etc. These deadly processed fats are literally everywhere and almost impossible to avoid unless you know what to look for and make smart choices in what you feed your body with.
Take note that I’m not recommending following a super high fat diet (although technically this can be more healthy than a high carb diet as long as you choose healthy fats).
However, in most cases, active individuals that exercise on a regular basis certainly also need adequate supplies of healthy carbohydrates for energy and muscle glycogen replenishment as well as good sources of protein for muscle repair. The above examples of the high fat diets of traditional populations and their corresponding excellent health were simply to prove the point that you don't need to be afraid of dietary fats as long as you make healthy natural choices and stay within your daily caloric range to maintain or lose body fat (depending on your goals).
Following is a list of some of the healthiest fatty foods (some will surprise you!) as well as some of the deadliest fatty foods to try to avoid at all costs:
The Healthy Fatty Food Choices:
Coconut fat: Coconut fat is approximately 92% saturated fat, yet surprisingly to most people, is considered a very healthy natural fat. The health benefits of coconut fat lie in its composition of approximately 65% medium chain triglycerides (MCTs). Specifically, about 50% of coconut fat is a MCT called lauric acid, which has very potent anti-microbial properties helping to enhance the immune system. Also, MCTs are more easily utilized for immediate energy instead of being stored as body fat. Coconut oil is also an excellent cooking oil for stir-frying, etc. since saturated fats are much more stable and do not oxidize like polyunsaturated oils when exposed to heat and light, which creates damaging free radicals. The best sources of healthy coconut fat are organic coconut milk, virgin coconut oil (available at http://coconut-info.com), or fresh coconut.
Extra virgin olive oil: Olive oil is approximately 71% monounsaturated, 16% saturated, and 13% polyunsaturated. Choose “extra virgin” olive oil, which comes from the first pressing of the olives and has higher quantities of antioxidants. Unlike most other oils on supermarket shelves, extra virgin olive oil is not extracted with the use of harmful industrial solvents and is one of your healthiest choices for liquid oils. Try making your own salad dressing by mixing a small amount of olive oil with vinegar. This is healthier than most store bought salad dressings, which are usually made with highly processed and refined (chemically damaged) soybean oil extracted with industrial solvents.
Dark, bittersweet chocolate (>70% cocoa): The cocoa bean is a very concentrated source of antioxidants and responsible for part of the health benefit of dark chocolate. The fat portion of the cocoa bean (cocoa butter) is a healthy natural fat, composed of approximately 59% saturated fat (mostly healthy stearic acid), 38% monounsaturated fat, and 3% polyunsaturated fat. I’ll limit the description of healthy chocolate to ONLY dark bittersweet chocolate with >70% cocoa content. Most milk chocolates are only about 30% cocoa, and even most dark chocolates are only about 55% cocoa, leaving the remainder of those products composed of high amounts of sugar, milk fat, corn sweeteners, etc. Look for a quality dark chocolate that lists its cocoa content like Chocolove Extra Dark (77%) or Dagoba New Moon (74%), which contain mostly cocoa and very little sugar. Keep in mind that although dark chocolate can be a healthy treat, it is still calorie dense, so keeping it to just a square or two is a good idea.
Avocados or guacamole: The fat in avocados (depending on where they’re grown) is approximately 60% monounsaturated, 25% saturated, and 15% polyunsaturated. Avocados are a very healthy natural food that provides many nutrients, fiber, and healthful fats, while adding a rich flavor to any meal. Try sliced avocado on sandwiches or in salads or use guacamole in wraps, sandwiches, or quesadillas.
High fat fish such as wild salmon, sardines, mackerel, herring, trout, etc.: Just about any fish or seafood are good sources of natural omega-3 polyunsaturated fats, but the higher fat fish listed above are the best sources of omega-3’s. Due to the radical switch to a higher proportion of omega-6 polyunsaturated fats like soybean oil, corn oil, safflower oil, etc. in our food supply during the middle of the 20th century, the average western diet is currently way too high in omega-6’s compared to omega-3’s, which wreaks havoc in your body. This is where good omega-3 sources like high fat fish, walnuts, and flax seeds can help bring you back to a better ratio of omega-6/omega-3. I also recommend Krill Oil, which has been shown to possibly have even more health benefits than standard fish oil
Nuts (any and all - walnuts, almonds, peanuts, cashews, macadamias, etc.): Nuts are great sources of healthy unprocessed fats as well as minerals and other trace nutrients. Macadamias, almonds, and cashews are great sources of monounsaturated fats, while walnuts are a good source of unprocessed polyunsaturated fats (including omega-3’s). Try to avoid nuts that are cooked in oil. Instead, choose raw or dry roasted nuts.
Seeds (sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds, sesame seeds, flax seeds): All of these seeds are great sources of natural unprocessed healthy fats. In particular, flax seeds have received a lot of attention lately due to their high omega-3 content. However, keep in mind that omega-3 polyunsaturated fats are highly reactive to heat and light, and prone to oxidation and free radical production. Therefore, freshly ground flax seed is the only way to go. Instead of using the store bought ground flax seed, you can buy whole flax seed and use one of those miniature coffee grinders to grind your own flax seed. Try grinding fresh flax seed into your yogurt, cereal, or even your salad. If you’re using a flax oil, make sure it’s a cold-pressed oil in a light-proof refrigerated container, and use it up within a few weeks to prevent it from going rancid. NEVER cook with flax oil!
The fat in organically raised, free-range animals: This is where most people have been misinformed by the mass media. Animal fat is inherently good for us, that is, if it came from a healthy animal. Human beings have thrived on animal fats for thousands of years. The problem is, most mass produced animal products today do not come from healthy animals. They come from animals given loads of antibiotics and fattened up with hormones and fed un-natural feed. The solution is to choose organically raised, free-range meats, eggs, and dairy. At this time, the price is still a little higher, but as demand grows, the prices will come down. I've found an incredible website that actually offers free-range grass-fed meats delivered right to your doorstep at very reasonable prices. Believe me, it's very hard to find grass fed meats at any grocery stores, so I was pleased to find this site.
The Deadly Fatty Foods:
Hydrogenated oils (trans fats): These are industrially produced chemically altered oils subjected to extremely high pressure and temperature, with added industrial solvents such as hexane for extraction, and have a metal catalyst added to promote the artificial hydrogenation, followed by bleaching and deodorizing agents…..and somehow the FDA still allows this crap to pass as food. These oils aren’t even worthy of your lawnmower, much less your body! They’ve been linked to obesity, heart disease, diabetes, cancer, and more. Even small quantities have been shown in studies to be dangerous. If you care about your health, check the ingredients of everything you buy, and if you see partially hydrogenated oils of any kind, margarine, or shortening, protect yourself and your family by choosing something else.
Refined oils: Even if the oils are not hydrogenated, most oils on your supermarket shelves are refined, even most of the so called “healthy” canola oils. Most refined oils still undergo the high temperature, high pressure, solvent extraction, bleaching, and deodorizing processes. Anything labeled vegetable oil, soybean oil, corn oil, cottonseed oil, safflower oil, and even many canola oils have been damaged by this refining process (unless they say "virgin" or "cold expeller pressed"). This damages the natural structure of the fats, destroys natural antioxidants, creates free radicals, and produces a generally unhealthy product. Take note that the explosion of heart disease in the middle of the 20th century coincides quite nicely with the rapid increase in the use of hydrogenated and refined oils in the food supply.
Anything deep fried: including tortilla chips, potato chips, French fries, donuts, fried chicken, chicken nuggets, etc. All of this crap shouldn't even pass as real food in my opinion!
Homogenized milk fat - Milk fat is a very healthy fat in its natural raw state. Milk and beef from grass fed organically raised cows is known to have higher quantities of healthy fats like conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) and omega-3 fatty acids compared with grain fed cows. Traditional populations around the world have thrived in perfect health while consuming huge quantities of raw, non-pasteurized, non-homogenized, full fat dairy products. Once again, food processing ruins a good thing by pasteurizing and homogenizing milk fat, rendering it potentially dangerous inside the human body. Unfortunately, you will find it almost impossible to find raw milk in the US unless you personally know a farmer. Check out http://www.realmilk.com for more info on the benefits of raw milk and to find out if it’s available near you. As an alternative, cultured dairy products like yogurt have at least had beneficial microorganisms added back to them making them better for you. Realistically, since you probably won’t find raw milk, sticking to skim milk is the best option to avoid the homogenized milk fat. If you use butter for cooking, your best option is grass-fed butter.
I hope this article has shed some light on the truth about dietary fats and made you realize their importance in a healthy diet.0 -
First, I'd like to point out that the above "expert" is not a Registered Dietician-- simply a CNS, which means they basically take one course and get certified, they are by no means a doctor, or have med school background or anything of that nature. Thus, their advice should very much be taken with a grain of salt.
Second-- the studies that he provides as evidence for saturated fats as "healthy" are very outdated. The original study done by Keynes (about the eskimos, which later prompted the investigations of the studies listed above after that) was later refuted because A) 70% of the population was obese, which Led to high levels or triglycerides and a high incidence of diabetes in these populations. Additionally TOO much Omega 3s leads to an imbalance in the the O6:03 ratio, which can lead to severe problems with blood clotting, brain function, and cell proliferation. So, it's not exactly as if these people are "super healthy".
In addition, all these studies are relatively small (the eskimo one was only about 300 people) which raises questions about their application to larger populations.0
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