This movie will change your life...SERIOUSLY

lilawolf
lilawolf Posts: 1,690 Member
edited September 25 in Food and Nutrition
Fat Head is a documentary about a guy who loses weight and improves his health markers on a fast food diet. He also explains why we get fat and what we are doing wrong. Bottom line: Carbs are the evil not fat. They turn to sugar in your blood stream, make you store fat, and make you hungry again.

I've been trying his suggested high fat, high protein, low carb diet for a few days, and I feel a TON of energy! I have also cut calories. I feel so much fuller, so I feel like moving more and snacking less! Ever had cereal and been hungry an hour later? That ever happen to you with bacon and eggs? Note that two eggs and two slices of bacon is about 210 calories, less than some cereals.

This movie is free on Hulu and is directly available on Netflix. Check it out and you might find yourself embarrassing yourself by humming a little tune.....and losing weight.

P.s. He also has a cool blog here which goes over some of the facts in the movie:
http://www.fathead-movie.com/index.php/no-bologna-facts/
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  • ohohraptor
    ohohraptor Posts: 205 Member
    Interesting.
  • JayAlexander
    JayAlexander Posts: 268 Member
    I started watching that once but never found time to finish it! It was very interesting
  • kittyloo123
    kittyloo123 Posts: 300 Member
    trying to stay on a low carb diet, is not realistic. Not to mention not very healthy. Yes, it will take it off pretty fast, but low carbing is not a healthy lifestyle. My friend has been on it for several years. To my eye, the last 5 years, she looks the same. Your body adjusts. Our body is ment to have all the nutrients. Moderation is the key.
  • jhardenbergh
    jhardenbergh Posts: 1,035 Member
    I watched that 2 weeks ago, very interesting in deed, I brought it up at my weight loss group last thursday and the psychologist that runs it seemed very interested. She brought up the movie Supersize Me and I responded by telling her it was kind of a sham, and told her about Fat Head. I would also recommend it to anyone. The Government stuff really opened my eyes, I know they were messed up, just not to this degree.
  • skinimin
    skinimin Posts: 252 Member
    well the evils really depend on what kind of life style you have. for someone who does serious workouts everyday (i'm talking intervals, 600 calories in 60 minutes or less type.) then carbs are not really evil, though protein is of course the better choice.
  • snmonson
    snmonson Posts: 79
    I saw the documentary on Netflix. I might just have to watch this!
  • i feel much better when i am low carb\hi protien, more energy and just feel better, if i eat carbs i just feel crappy and it makes me want to eat constantly, and screws around with my blood sugar level.
    i stay away from them everything is good. oh and i drop pounds too
  • EDesq
    EDesq Posts: 1,527 Member
    This is NOT NEW...The Atkins Diet, The Zone and South Beach (to some extent) is based on this science. You are late, or They are late. Maybe this is a NEW way to get this message over to a "newer" generation. The Wheel HAS been invented.

    To kittylo23:
    Anything is possible if you believe it is a necessity, low carb diets are just that...Diets. If anyone is on a DIET, it is made to "Get Off." The goal is to eat a certain way, lose weight in a specific period of time and go back to eating the way they did before...
    It IS possible to stay on a LOW GLYCEMIC Plan...South Beach or even Phase 3 Atkins or even the late stages of The Zone. These LOW GLYCEMIC EATING PLANS are LIFESTYLE CHANGES and are designed to change your whole concept of how we have been TAUGHT to eat. REMEMBER, how we eat is Behavioral, we have been taught 3 Squares and 2 Snacks, 40-60% Carbs and 15-30% Protein. This stuff does not even "compute" in most other cultures and they are much, much, much more healthy and slim.
  • Mad_Dog_Muscle
    Mad_Dog_Muscle Posts: 1,251 Member
    Maybe low in calories and a way to lose some weight but it's not a healthy lifestyle. What you give up in calories fast food will kill you with cholesterol and the fat. Just not sold on this type of diet.
  • DianaPowerUp
    DianaPowerUp Posts: 518 Member
    That is consistent with a paleo/primal approach to weight/health/nutrition. Google it and read. It's not about cal in vs. cal out, it's about how food impacts our body's biochemistry, particularily insulin. Increased insulin production yields higher fat storage, also gives you the rush after you eat, and then the crash/jitters where you have to have more food NOW.

    I started reducing my carb intake about a wk ago, and what you're saying about breakfast, I've noticed. I noticed it on day 1. If I eat good fats, protein, and veggies, I am full forever. I have energy, and feel good. If I eat cereal for breakfast (same amt. of calories), a couple hrs later I'm ravenous. I eat less cal/day (not that I want to) just b/c I'm not hungry. I've lost 1.5 lbs this wk (and I'm only a few lbs away from my goal weight, so it's gotten tougher to shed now) alone, and I can already see better muscle definition.

    I'm going to keep at it and see what happens. Nothing unhealthy about eating lean proteins and lots of veggies!
  • taso42_DELETED
    taso42_DELETED Posts: 3,394 Member
    I couldn't make it past the first 15-20 minutes due to the filmmaker/narrator being such an annoying pompous *kitten*. But some MFPals recommended that I tough through it or at least watch the last 30 minutes or so when he stops talking bologna and starts talking science. Might give it another try in the next few days.

    I didn't realize it was a pro low-carb thing at first. I don't see what the fuss is about. I'm doing just fine with full-carb.
  • Mad_Dog_Muscle
    Mad_Dog_Muscle Posts: 1,251 Member
    Did I misunderstand this completely? I think I did. I agree eating lean proteins and good fats are better than tons of carbs.

    I think Maybe I will watch the movie before jumping to the wrong conclusion .......
  • Dom_m
    Dom_m Posts: 336 Member
    Bottom line: Carbs are the evil not fat.

    This type of thinking is probably what the real problem is. Neither carbohydrates nor fats are evil, and both are essential for good health.

    Of course not all carbs are the same, just as not all fats are the same. If you get most of your carbs from soda, candy, fast food, sugary bread, pizza, ketchup... then you're doing yourself a disservice. Same if you get most of your fats from candy, deep fried whatever (eg donoughts, french fries...), fast foods, crisps...
    Its not the carbs or the fats that are the problem. Its the habit of eating **** food.

    On the other hand, if you get your carbs from fruit, whole grains, peas, beans, lentils, and vegetables and you get your fats from nuts, beans, fruits (like avocado), and seeds, then you're almost definitely going to be healthy. If you get your carbs and fats from these sources, you're pretty much guaranteed to get a good amount of very healthy protein in the mix as well.
  • edorice
    edorice Posts: 4,519 Member
    This type of thinking is probably what the real problem is. Neither carbohydrates nor fats are evil, and both are essential for good health.

    Of course not all carbs are the same, just as not all fats are the same. If you get most of your carbs from soda, candy, fast food, sugary bread, pizza, ketchup... then you're doing yourself a disservice. Same if you get most of your fats from candy, deep fried whatever (eg donoughts, french fries...), fast foods, crisps...
    Its not the carbs or the fats that are the problem. Its the habit of eating **** food.

    On the other hand, if you get your carbs from fruit, whole grains, peas, beans, lentils, and vegetables and you get your fats from nuts, beans, fruits (like avocado), and seeds, then you're almost definitely going to be healthy. If you get your carbs and fats from these sources, you're pretty much guaranteed to get a good amount of very healthy protein in the mix as well.

    ^THIS
  • Jade_Butterfly
    Jade_Butterfly Posts: 2,963 Member
    Bottom line: Carbs are the evil not fat.

    This type of thinking is probably what the real problem is. Neither carbohydrates nor fats are evil, and both are essential for good health.

    Of course not all carbs are the same, just as not all fats are the same. If you get most of your carbs from soda, candy, fast food, sugary bread, pizza, ketchup... then you're doing yourself a disservice. Same if you get most of your fats from candy, deep fried whatever (eg donoughts, french fries...), fast foods, crisps...
    Its not the carbs or the fats that are the problem. Its the habit of eating **** food.

    On the other hand, if you get your carbs from fruit, whole grains, peas, beans, lentils, and vegetables and you get your fats from nuts, beans, fruits (like avocado), and seeds, then you're almost definitely going to be healthy. If you get your carbs and fats from these sources, you're pretty much guaranteed to get a good amount of very healthy protein in the mix as well.

    Now that is it down to brass tax. Great explanation. That is what it is all about. Thank you. I am a nutrition major, and thank goodness for someone with an educated answer.
  • peteyTwang
    peteyTwang Posts: 250
    Great explanation. That is what it is all about...

    Agreed! see above: Dom, Edorice and Jade...
  • Crys1209
    Crys1209 Posts: 128 Member
    Another good one to watch is Super Size Me, if you haven't seen it yet you should. :)
  • lilawolf
    lilawolf Posts: 1,690 Member
    To the people who say low carb is dangerous or are "not sold on the idea"? Have you watched the movie or read the research? Oh, and he specifically says not to watch calorie counts though mine was reduced just by feeling fuller. What your body does with the calories is more important than how many there are.

    Also it is fat and protein that makes you feel full. "Plenty of whole grains" are part of the problem though they are certainly better than refined flours and sugars. Low fat, low carb will make you feel less energetic and less full too. Some of you are repeating the same things we've been told over and over without looking at the monumental amount of research on the other side.
  • lcoulter23
    lcoulter23 Posts: 568 Member
    the way I have read it in my Low Glycemic Index books is that there are "good" carbs like those that come from fruits and vegetables and there are "bad" carbs, but those bad carbs can come into the good category when you start adding stuff to them. Like a baked potato. It is naturally high glycemic. add a little butter and sour cream to it and it falls into the low glycemic range because most dairy is naturally low glycemic. Therefore, carbs are not evil, you just have to watch how you eat them and how many of them you eat.
  • Fayve
    Fayve Posts: 406 Member
    Another good one to watch is Super Size Me, if you haven't seen it yet you should. :)

    Lol... have you seen Fat Head, or were you just adding that?

    Anyways, I love this movie. I've watched it twice, and I recommend it to everyone. I think it downplays the concept of calories in/calories out, which is still very important when it comes to weight loss, while highlights a "cave-man" diet as the way to do.

    I'm always wary when I see or hear something telling me to cut an entire food group out, but this is the most convincing argument I've seen so far. Since this video, I've cut way back on my carbs. However, I eat way too many fruit daily to keep my carb numbers in the range that he shows in the documentary.

    On another note, I was watching this with my boyfriend, and the writer of the documentary mirrored him almost exactly +20 years. It was really really amusing.
  • callipygianchronicle
    callipygianchronicle Posts: 811 Member
    Any food that grows from the ground, is fed by sunshine, and nourished by rain is good food. Fear is not in my diet. And I don’t subscribe to any system of eating that suggests there are foods we need to be afraid of, or that breaks them into categories of “good”, “bad”,or “avoid”, “consume”. If fear-based eating works for others, they are welcome to it. I pass no judgement.
  • ampjorgensen
    ampjorgensen Posts: 86 Member
    Another movie would be "Fat like me" its a lifetime movie but a quote in it always gets me. The overweight girl said food was like a drug to her but unlike an alcoholic or drugatic food is not an option you have to face food EVERYDAY! You can't 'just say "well I am not going to eat today" finding self control is really hard and if you eat because of reasons like people drink for their reasons then its a whole new ball game.

    I don't really believe in cutting out carbs, I believe in eating the right carbs and whole grains and what not. We need so much of each food for our body to function. heck research the health of the man who created the atkins diet. He had a history of heart disease and high cholesterol. I think finding a balance is the key.
  • Dom_m
    Dom_m Posts: 336 Member
    Haven't watched the movie, but I just read the section on the website called "No-Bologna Facts"
    http://www.fathead-movie.com/index.php/no-bologna-facts/

    Its jam-packed with misinformation.
    There’s never been a single study that proves saturated fat causes heart disease.
    This is an irrelevant conclusion. Science doesn't "prove" things, it disproves them. Failure to disprove a theory may lead to the theory being accepted, but it wont be proven. But 'Fat-Head' implies that because there is study that proves saturated fat causes heart disease, saturated fat does not cause heart disease.
    Asian Indians – half of whom are vegetarians – have one of the highest rates of heart disease in the entire world. Yup, that fatty meat will kill you, all right.
    Firstly, WTF! "Asian Indians"?
    Secondly, this is a non sequitur. It observes a high rate of heart disease in Indians and the rate of vegetarianism and implies vegetarianism causes heart disease.
    A more generous interpretation is that 'Fat-Head' is using a straw-man. The argument is "vegetarians have low saturated fat. Many Indians are vegetarian and many Indians have heart disease. Therefore saturated fat cannot cause heart disease". The straw-man is misrepresenting vegetarians as having diets low in saturated fat. In fact, Indians have diets that are very high in saturated fat, even vegetarian Indians.
    Read this interview with a renowned Indian cardiac surgeon, which touches on saturated fat in Indian diets: http://www.rediff.com/news/2009/feb/02-highest-rates-of-heart-diseases-in-india.htm
    When Morgan Spurlock tells you that a McDonald’s salad supplies almost a day’s allowance of fat, he’s basing that statement on the FDA’s low-fat/high-carbohydrate dietary guidelines, which in turn are based on … absolutely nothing. There’s no science behind those guidelines; they were simply made up by a congressional committee.
    It is simply not true that these guidelines are based on absolutely nothing. If you want to know where these came from, read this paper, Harper, A. (1985) "Origin of recommended dietary allowances", The American Journal of Clinaical Nutrition, v41, pp140-148. Link: http://www.ajcn.org/content/41/1/140.full.pdf
    Kids who were diagnosed as suffering from ADD have been successfully treated by re-introducing natural saturated fats into their diets. Your brain is made largely of fat.
    These statements are both true.
    The next points are about epileptics being treated with low sugar, high fat diets; the statistical link between saturated fat and cancer being weak; the link between sugar and cancer being strong; and the possibility of being both fat and healthy, or think and having type II diabetes and heart disease.
    I don't have much to say on these except that I haven't heard much about saturated fat being linked to cancer, and 'Fat-Head's' assertion that I have, and that this is false, is an attempt to lead me to the conclusion that other things I've heard about saturated fats are also false. This would be a fallacy of hasty generalisation: I would be saying, "this belief about saturated fats is false, therefore all beliefs about saturated fats are false".

    Finally:
    Saturated fat and cholesterol help produce testosterone. When men limit their saturated fat, their testosterone level drops. So, regardless of what a famous vegan chef believes, saturated fat does not impair sexual performance.
    I don't know about the first two statements, but the third statement contains an appeal to prejudice as well as a red herring.
    The appeal to prejudice is this: "So, regardless of what a famous vegan chef believes". Its the opposite of an appeal to authority. The reader is meant to conclude if a famous vegan chef believes x, then x must be false.
    The red herring occurs when 'Fat-Head' builds an argument about saturated fat causing testosterone, and concluding that saturated fat does not impair sexual performance. Of course its possible for something to both raise testosterone levels and impair sexual performance. To illustrate, consider being injected with a kilogram of testosterone. Your testosterone levels would be very high, but you'd probably be dead.
    'Fat-Head' also invites the listener to make another hasty generalisation. The supposed link between a source of testosterone and sexual performance is based on our knowledge of the male sexual hormone. But there would be no link, fallacious or otherwise, for females. We're invited to make that generalisation on our own.

    Conclusion:
    'Fat-Head' may be shocking and entertaining and thought-provoking, but if the official website is any indication of the type of arguments offered, it's seriously flawed and shouldn't be considered a source of knowledge so much as a source of inspiration for your own research.
  • taso42_DELETED
    taso42_DELETED Posts: 3,394 Member
    To the people who say low carb is dangerous or are "not sold on the idea"? Have you watched the movie or read the research? Oh, and he specifically says not to watch calorie counts though mine was reduced just by feeling fuller. What your body does with the calories is more important than how many there are.

    I'm one of those people who are "not sold on the idea". No, I have not read the research nor watched the movie, yet. I love bread, oats, sweet potatoes, bananas, brown rice. I eat them daily. I am losing weight, I am in the best shape of my life, and I feel awesome and energetic. So why should I be sold on the idea?
  • lilawolf
    lilawolf Posts: 1,690 Member
    Another movie would be "Fat like me" its a lifetime movie but a quote in it always gets me. The overweight girl said food was like a drug to her but unlike an alcoholic or drugatic food is not an option you have to face food EVERYDAY! You can't 'just say "well I am not going to eat today" finding self control is really hard and if you eat because of reasons like people drink for their reasons then its a whole new ball game.

    I don't really believe in cutting out carbs, I believe in eating the right carbs and whole grains and what not. We need so much of each food for our body to function. heck research the health of the man who created the atkins diet. He had a history of heart disease and high cholesterol. I think finding a balance is the key.

    Yes, but why do we feel hungry after we have had all of the calories that we need?? Why does sticking to what our body requires and asks for a feat of self control? I said that watching the movie would change your life, not repeating the same things you already believe.
  • aeckels616
    aeckels616 Posts: 210 Member
    Bottom line: Carbs are the evil not fat.

    This type of thinking is probably what the real problem is. Neither carbohydrates nor fats are evil, and both are essential for good health.

    Of course not all carbs are the same, just as not all fats are the same. If you get most of your carbs from soda, candy, fast food, sugary bread, pizza, ketchup... then you're doing yourself a disservice. Same if you get most of your fats from candy, deep fried whatever (eg donoughts, french fries...), fast foods, crisps...
    Its not the carbs or the fats that are the problem. Its the habit of eating **** food.

    On the other hand, if you get your carbs from fruit, whole grains, peas, beans, lentils, and vegetables and you get your fats from nuts, beans, fruits (like avocado), and seeds, then you're almost definitely going to be healthy. If you get your carbs and fats from these sources, you're pretty much guaranteed to get a good amount of very healthy protein in the mix as well.

    Agreed.
  • lilawolf
    lilawolf Posts: 1,690 Member
    There’s never been a single study that proves saturated fat causes heart disease.
    This is an irrelevant conclusion. Science doesn't "prove" things, it disproves them. Failure to disprove a theory may lead to the theory being accepted, but it wont be proven. But 'Fat-Head' implies that because there is study that proves saturated fat causes heart disease, saturated fat does not cause heart disease.
    Saturated fat and cholesterol help produce testosterone. When men limit their saturated fat, their testosterone level drops. So, regardless of what a famous vegan chef believes, saturated fat does not impair sexual performance.

    I don't know about the first two statements, but the third statement contains an appeal to prejudice as well as a red herring.
    The appeal to prejudice is this: "So, regardless of what a famous vegan chef believes". Its the opposite of an appeal to authority. The reader is meant to conclude if a famous vegan chef believes x, then x must be false.
    The red herring occurs when 'Fat-Head' builds an argument about saturated fat causing testosterone, and concluding that saturated fat does not impair sexual performance. Of course its possible for something to both raise testosterone levels and impair sexual performance. To illustrate, consider being injected with a kilogram of testosterone. Your testosterone levels would be very high, but you'd probably be dead.

    I think it is important that there aren't any studies that link saturated fat to heart disease when the FDA and our doctors are telling us to limit them. I think I am only supposed to have 25g and my mother was told to limit hers to 8g. We are told animal fat, bacon, eggs etc are bad for us with no backing reason at all. Why doesn't this bother you?

    As for the vegan chef it was just a poke at the girlfriend of the guy in Supersize me who says that his sexual performance went down which the Fat Head guy is saying was just a publicity stunt. This has nothing to do with her authority or lack of it.
  • lilawolf
    lilawolf Posts: 1,690 Member
    To the people who say low carb is dangerous or are "not sold on the idea"? Have you watched the movie or read the research? Oh, and he specifically says not to watch calorie counts though mine was reduced just by feeling fuller. What your body does with the calories is more important than how many there are.

    I'm one of those people who are "not sold on the idea". No, I have not read the research nor watched the movie, yet. I love bread, oats, sweet potatoes, bananas, brown rice. I eat them daily. I am losing weight, I am in the best shape of my life, and I feel awesome and energetic. So why should I be sold on the idea?

    Then you are one of the lucky people that does not have insulin resistance. This may or may not change as you get older. I think if your diet works for you and you look and feel good, there is no reason to change it, but many people are not so lucky. If you have tried the low fat, low calorie, high exercise thing and it just isn't working for you, then it may be about hormones and you should try this. If it does work for you, more power to you.
  • lilawolf
    lilawolf Posts: 1,690 Member
    Bottom line: Carbs are the evil not fat.

    This type of thinking is probably what the real problem is. Neither carbohydrates nor fats are evil, and both are essential for good health.

    Of course not all carbs are the same, just as not all fats are the same. If you get most of your carbs from soda, candy, fast food, sugary bread, pizza, ketchup... then you're doing yourself a disservice. Same if you get most of your fats from candy, deep fried whatever (eg donoughts, french fries...), fast foods, crisps...
    Its not the carbs or the fats that are the problem. Its the habit of eating **** food.

    On the other hand, if you get your carbs from fruit, whole grains, peas, beans, lentils, and vegetables and you get your fats from nuts, beans, fruits (like avocado), and seeds, then you're almost definitely going to be healthy. If you get your carbs and fats from these sources, you're pretty much guaranteed to get a good amount of very healthy protein in the mix as well.

    Agreed.

    Then again I see you have 20lbs to lose. Is the move more, eat less mantra working for you? Do you feel full, satisfied, and happy on your low fat diet? If you do, then more power to you. If not, watch the movie and decide for yourself.
  • jade3599
    jade3599 Posts: 22
    Umm is this called the Atkins Diet?
    Basically eat whatever you want but bread, starch, or sugar carbs higher than 5gms.
    Just be careful
    Make sure you are taking in complex carbs! Your body needs carbs or your nervous system will go crazy and you will be restless.. cranky, brain foggy, panic..
    Whole wheat and fiber rich
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