It's all fun and games till someone dies! The obese tragedy.
Kjarlune
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There should be two types of weight loss out there. Oh wait, there is.
There is the 50 pounds and under weight loss and then their is the morbidly obese. I know that I am going upset some people, especially the first category with what I have to say, but what can one do when they are stuck in a shoe, follow you and fail or find a new way and succeed.
I have heard it all: Slow and steady wins the race. You can do it you just need patience. 5 small meals and lots of working out and you will be great. Anything more than two pounds of weight loss a week is BAD and unhealthy. If you want to loose weight eat less and work out simple. There is no such thing as an easy fix. Should I keep going???? There is so many more.
If I had 50 pounds or less to loose I would say this is correct information. Because 50 pounds or less is a mild health risk compared to being morbidly obese....
Before I go any further you are so right we did this to ourselves. The kid who got caught robbing a store at gunpoint did it to himself too, but not understanding is not going to help him and it won't help us either.
So just to be of some help, there are two ways of loosing weight. The healthy slow way that is amazing and teaches us how to keep it off, and the get it the hell off of me because I am going to die and when I only have 20 to 30 more pounds to loose my body will make me if I am paying attention learn how to eat right or I get to get morbidly obese again.
Everyone is going to do it their own way but you can loose weight fast, and it can work, and when you claim it is impossible even though we see it every day it is disheartening.
Slow and steady: is a death sentence compiled of frustration and lack of understand for some of us. I drive my car fast, I have sex fast and I am choosing to loose weight fast.
You can do it you just need patience: what I need is to loose weight. Patience is not a strong suit or we would not have emotionally ate over 100 pounds of excess weight, and I thought the trainers and nutritionalists were the smart ones.
5 small meals and a lot of working out and you will get there. REALLY! when you have a lot of weight of loose if you can work out you are in pain and news flash we don't like pain, that is how we managed to eat our emotions for the love of god.
We do not know how to stop eating! eat till your full....WHAT DOES THAT MEAN??????????????????????? When you can consume 5 big macs a person does not know what that means. Full no longer exists unless you are on the couch in tears because you can't move.
WHen you are morbidly obese you are already dying...There is nothing to loose. Do the fads if you need too... DO whatever you need to do in order to get it gone.
Surgery??? Congrats I am so proud of you...Eating less than 1000 calories a day, OMG you should be so proud...Drink your water you have a full tank of gas you are not going to starve to death..
Doctors get it...why doesn't everyone else???? You do not cure cancer with just a little radiation...YOU BLOW IT OUT OF THE FRIGGEN WATER
5% of obese people will stick it out and loose their weight over 2 years so sweet and healthy, FABULOUS. But the remaining 95% of people on this planet will FAIL!!!!!!!!! because you are telling them they are doing wrong. You tell them no instead of not the way I would do it but great JOB! You judge instead of help. You bring out facts that negate us when we have facts that promote.
It is okay if you risk dying and go have a surgery that for the rest of your life you cannot eat any more than 3-4 bites of food at a time but if you don't risk killing yourself and you do that diet anyway YOU ARE RISKING YOUR LIFE....newsflash all knowers.....
WE RISK OUR LIVES EVERY DAY BEING MORBIDLY OBESE! We do not care at that moment about gaining it back, we believe that it will never happen, we just need to see results.
We need to feel better and we did not get this way by feeling better slowly...
So I believe there should be two types of weight loss.
The GET IT OFF GET IT OFF and we will teach you later how to maintain. and the
SLOW AND STEADY GETS ER DONE!
For those of you loosing weight fast.
GREAT JOB....keep drinking your water guys, you will be just fine....
Who am I??? A am a morbidly obese woman who lost 50 pounds in 6 months went through two plateaus and almost wanted to slit my wrists...And I am a motivational positive speaker for gods sakes....
And after I stopped listening to the ones that say slow and steady wins, I lost 20 pounds in one week, I have energy, I feel alive and I see the difference...My Dr. says I am great and keep going...
Here is the thing, If you have a full tank of gas....why would you go put more in???? If your oil isn't maintained your engine isn't going to run...So if you drop your calories to nothing....and burn all your old fat, drink water your body needs it and take a multi vitamin....It isn't for forever...Eventually you will run out of fat to burn and you will have to learn a new way. What I tragedy.... *grin*
GO ahead tell me I am wrong...it's okay....I look forward to blowing your mind...
There is the 50 pounds and under weight loss and then their is the morbidly obese. I know that I am going upset some people, especially the first category with what I have to say, but what can one do when they are stuck in a shoe, follow you and fail or find a new way and succeed.
I have heard it all: Slow and steady wins the race. You can do it you just need patience. 5 small meals and lots of working out and you will be great. Anything more than two pounds of weight loss a week is BAD and unhealthy. If you want to loose weight eat less and work out simple. There is no such thing as an easy fix. Should I keep going???? There is so many more.
If I had 50 pounds or less to loose I would say this is correct information. Because 50 pounds or less is a mild health risk compared to being morbidly obese....
Before I go any further you are so right we did this to ourselves. The kid who got caught robbing a store at gunpoint did it to himself too, but not understanding is not going to help him and it won't help us either.
So just to be of some help, there are two ways of loosing weight. The healthy slow way that is amazing and teaches us how to keep it off, and the get it the hell off of me because I am going to die and when I only have 20 to 30 more pounds to loose my body will make me if I am paying attention learn how to eat right or I get to get morbidly obese again.
Everyone is going to do it their own way but you can loose weight fast, and it can work, and when you claim it is impossible even though we see it every day it is disheartening.
Slow and steady: is a death sentence compiled of frustration and lack of understand for some of us. I drive my car fast, I have sex fast and I am choosing to loose weight fast.
You can do it you just need patience: what I need is to loose weight. Patience is not a strong suit or we would not have emotionally ate over 100 pounds of excess weight, and I thought the trainers and nutritionalists were the smart ones.
5 small meals and a lot of working out and you will get there. REALLY! when you have a lot of weight of loose if you can work out you are in pain and news flash we don't like pain, that is how we managed to eat our emotions for the love of god.
We do not know how to stop eating! eat till your full....WHAT DOES THAT MEAN??????????????????????? When you can consume 5 big macs a person does not know what that means. Full no longer exists unless you are on the couch in tears because you can't move.
WHen you are morbidly obese you are already dying...There is nothing to loose. Do the fads if you need too... DO whatever you need to do in order to get it gone.
Surgery??? Congrats I am so proud of you...Eating less than 1000 calories a day, OMG you should be so proud...Drink your water you have a full tank of gas you are not going to starve to death..
Doctors get it...why doesn't everyone else???? You do not cure cancer with just a little radiation...YOU BLOW IT OUT OF THE FRIGGEN WATER
5% of obese people will stick it out and loose their weight over 2 years so sweet and healthy, FABULOUS. But the remaining 95% of people on this planet will FAIL!!!!!!!!! because you are telling them they are doing wrong. You tell them no instead of not the way I would do it but great JOB! You judge instead of help. You bring out facts that negate us when we have facts that promote.
It is okay if you risk dying and go have a surgery that for the rest of your life you cannot eat any more than 3-4 bites of food at a time but if you don't risk killing yourself and you do that diet anyway YOU ARE RISKING YOUR LIFE....newsflash all knowers.....
WE RISK OUR LIVES EVERY DAY BEING MORBIDLY OBESE! We do not care at that moment about gaining it back, we believe that it will never happen, we just need to see results.
We need to feel better and we did not get this way by feeling better slowly...
So I believe there should be two types of weight loss.
The GET IT OFF GET IT OFF and we will teach you later how to maintain. and the
SLOW AND STEADY GETS ER DONE!
For those of you loosing weight fast.
GREAT JOB....keep drinking your water guys, you will be just fine....
Who am I??? A am a morbidly obese woman who lost 50 pounds in 6 months went through two plateaus and almost wanted to slit my wrists...And I am a motivational positive speaker for gods sakes....
And after I stopped listening to the ones that say slow and steady wins, I lost 20 pounds in one week, I have energy, I feel alive and I see the difference...My Dr. says I am great and keep going...
Here is the thing, If you have a full tank of gas....why would you go put more in???? If your oil isn't maintained your engine isn't going to run...So if you drop your calories to nothing....and burn all your old fat, drink water your body needs it and take a multi vitamin....It isn't for forever...Eventually you will run out of fat to burn and you will have to learn a new way. What I tragedy.... *grin*
GO ahead tell me I am wrong...it's okay....I look forward to blowing your mind...
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Ya' tell it like it is! Congrats on your success - and may the future success be fast!0
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that's a little demented. i don't totally agree with everything you've said here, but i DO totally understand. i think there are circumstantial situations, and i'm sure you are ranting in generalizations because - well, rants don't work if you get too specific.
there will be flames! but my opinion? you do what works for you. i, personally, am too scared and lack too much self-control to do it the quick way. and before you go off, i am a 23-year-old stay-at-home-mom who peaked at a weight of over 250 lbs. i'm losing the weight NOW because i understand that in 5 or 10 years, being this fat will become even more life-threatening than it already is.
but for those who don't feel like they have that kind of time, there are other solutions. and i always try not to judge those who have other solutions.0 -
I am not going to go off...I think it is fabulous that the way you are doing it is working I do...I admire those that can learn from the beginning...Of course that is the best way....But what I am merely saying is there is other ways...
I am not saying that the right way is wrong..I am merely saying that when someone is morbidly obese they are already at risk of dying. As soon as we shed the weight, the risk drops which leaves us time to learn....
You are right, if I was 250 I would do it your way too....Thank you for not judging me and just responding...It is very appreciated...
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I am not saying you are wrong (to be honest, I am struggling a little to figure out what you are advocating... besides saying that it is okay to lose weight a little faster than someone who has less to lose). I do want to share my experience though and why I think the "slow and steady" route has helped me. I started this journey 10 months ago with about 110 pounds to lose. I've lost probably 40 of that (assuming that since I haven't weighed in a few weeks), which is right on track for the 1 pound loss a week I signed on for. For me, this *is* a long-term journey and I am not trying to lose weight really quickly. I will say that I do not have a lot of health issues from my weight (though I have a few weight isn't helping) and I think that is a big factor in why slower is working for me.
For me, deciding to lose weight more slowly has enabled me to put lifestyle changes in place gradually. After almost a year of this... I am pretty sure they are sticking around. I don't really feel deprived, I eat junk on occasion (and sometimes more than I should), but I have picked up a lot of better habits along the way. For me, trying to change too many habits at once is a sure way to feel like a failure and just give up entirely. (That may not be true for you!). I know that all too soon I am going to be eating 1200 calories a day and struggling to lose 2 pounds a month... I'm thinking that comes with the territory of trying to lose the last 10 or 15 pounds when you are as short as I am! I'd rather put that off as much as possible though... because that is *not* the lifestyle I will be having long term. I really see right now (and the next 50 pounds or so too) as teaching me what I will need to do to maintain once I do get to my overall goal. So... just for me... that is why losing weight slowly has worked. I am learning portion control... I am learning how to deal with chaotic days and stressful schedules and bad feelings and eat relatively healthy during those times. I'm learning the tools that will help me stay on track later -- stocking up on healthy foods, menu planning, eating out without blowing a day's worth of calories. I'm factoring in the movement that I *can* do... and that is enough for now... and working up to the higher intensity workouts that I know I will need further down the road.0 -
I am thrilled.....
and I am not advocating anything....I have sat here for days and read things that state every time someone tries to go with less calories they are wrong...and it is bad....I am simply giving the other version for those who do not feel like they can do your way....
The slow and steady is the best, there is no question....But what about the ones who can't? Sorry what about the ones who believe they can't? The people who feel tormented....The people who if they do not see immediate progress they give up....
I don't want them to give up....if we need some immediate gain in order to find our faith then we do...that's it...I am trying to get people who are so quick to judge what others are doing wrong, to think of a different way...Try understanding and motivating...thats it...
As far as your weight loss is concerned, awesome job...0 -
For me, deciding to lose weight more slowly has enabled me to put lifestyle changes in place gradually. After almost a year of this... I am pretty sure they are sticking around. I don't really feel deprived, I eat junk on occasion (and sometimes more than I should), but I have picked up a lot of better habits along the way. For me, trying to change too many habits at once is a sure way to feel like a failure and just give up entirely.
Agreed. Every time I've tried a restrictive diet before, I've never lasted more than a few weeks. What I'm doing now, I absolutely feel like I can live this way. But I think people have to do what works for them and as long as you're being monitored by your doctor and they're ok with it, I don't see an issue.0 -
Just so everyone understand... I just got a message and this is why I posted this.......
"You did a fabulous job expressing yourself. I support your efforts, but I have learned not to respond on posts because people can be vicious. I have a lot of weight to lose as well, and while I have lost 51 pounds, I haven't lost anything in 5 weeks, so I am trying a new strategy... we'll see if it works. I feel like I'm running out of time, so I want this weight gone yesterday. I wish you lots of luck and happiness."
I am not talking about the average person who understands...I talking about desperation and hurt because of peoples reactions....and answers...0 -
Hi I like your way of thinking im doing it the "wrong way" at the moment as I have tried the slow and steady way and I lose interest as I see no results at all. I've never been morbidly obesse but I've been on the borderline for most of my.life and know if I don't do something now it will just get worse. I know many people would be horrified that I eat 500-1000 kcals a day but last time I went to my doctor.they said.I'm doing a great.job as I am for.once in my life losing more than 1lb.
as.for keeping up eating.this way I quite like the restriction.and I don't feel hungry at all i
I've been doing this since february and only had one day I ate to much. thank you for giving a different veiw on things0 -
If you truly are a positive motivitional speaker, I would love to hear you sometime. So, if you are ever in IN speaking look me up:) I think this website was created to encourage people in their weight loss, no matter if we all agree on how to do it. What works for one person might not work for another. Just like we didn't gain this weight by eating the same foods. I agree, everyday of being morbidly obese is one less day we will live in the future. As adults we should be able to agree/disagree without attacking another persons character. Good luck in your journey of weight loss, may you arrive there "quickly".0
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I am morbidly obese and at 301lb 12 weeks ago with out of control diabetes and pain from fatty liver it had to stop. And 46lb later my blood sugar has drastically reduced and my liver no longer aches. I don't eat clean because I don't want to. I don't eat my exercise calories back because I don't feel I need to. I closed my diary because I don't want everything I put in my mouth analysed. I drink 3 cans of diet coke a day. Sometimes I go all day without eating so I can have something bigger for dinner. My blood pressure is normal even though I sometimes put salt on things, although it is low sodium stuff. My doctor said get it off as fast as you can and my trainer agreed. I will carry on doing what I do because it is working and if anything I do is detrimental to my health, it's not as bad as where I was at in january0
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Thank you everyone....
Kettlewitch...and I love the name....fantastic....I am so happy it is working for you....
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So glad I'm not the only one who skips lunch etc. to have something bigger for dinner! Not all the time, mainly at weekends, I'm pretty good through the week. I also love diet coke although I have cut back (though I am on diet vimto today, drink of the gods).
I have taken the weight off very fast inthe past and always put in back on plus a bit more, so I'm trying to be more sensible this time but I would still ove to lose 3 stone in a month *g*. I thinkit's easy to get obsessive (for me anyway) if you try and take it off too quickly. Plus I always found that when it stopped working, it was really crushing for me and I ended up either not eating at all or giving up and stuffing my face.
Each to their own I guess, my lesson has been in getting to know myself better and being aware of my negative patterns before they have too tight a hold of me.0 -
I agree with the OP to some extent. If you are morbidly obese then your short term goal should be to knock off a significant amount of weight in a concentrated time frame. This is especially true if organ function is threatened by excessive weight or there are other good medical reasons for rapid weight loss.
Many people understand or accept that there are a different set of rules at play with morbidly obese people. They tend to fare much better with bigger calorie deficts and lose a much greater % of fat to LBM as compared to leaner individuals.
However, one thing I fundamentally disagree with is that morbidly obese indivduals should somehow be congratulated for sticking to ridiculously low calorie intake of less than say 1,000 calories a day. It's completely unecessary. A 300lb individual could still do spectacularly well on 2000 + calories a day.
Swinging from massive over eating to chronic under eating is logically dumb and not excatly the healthiest of mindsets. To me it indicates there is a pervasive and nonsensical belief that obese people need to be "punished" or "suffer" or "deserve" to experience pain and deprivation because they made themself obese to begin with. This mindset is utter bull**** and annoys the hell out of me.
Weight loss does not have to be a punishment or a chore. It can be a rewarding challenge, fun and enjoyable if you approach it with a logical, rational and balanced viewpoint.
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Just so everyone understand... I just got a message and this is why I posted this.......
"You did a fabulous job expressing yourself. I support your efforts, but I have learned not to respond on posts because people can be vicious. I have a lot of weight to lose as well, and while I have lost 51 pounds, I haven't lost anything in 5 weeks, so I am trying a new strategy... we'll see if it works. I feel like I'm running out of time, so I want this weight gone yesterday. I wish you lots of luck and happiness."
I am not talking about the average person who understands...I talking about desperation and hurt because of peoples reactions....and answers...
Do you think it's a good idea to post private messages to a public forum? I understand that you were trying to underscore a point here, but if that individual wanted the message to be public, they would have posted it publicly themselves.
I would have sent this comment to you in a private message, but as you'd probably just post it, I cut out the middleman.0 -
I bet the private poster didn't want to be flamed. As long as she kept the name private I think its a fine way to underscore her point. IMHO0
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Just so everyone understand... I just got a message and this is why I posted this.......
"You did a fabulous job expressing yourself. I support your efforts, but I have learned not to respond on posts because people can be vicious. I have a lot of weight to lose as well, and while I have lost 51 pounds, I haven't lost anything in 5 weeks, so I am trying a new strategy... we'll see if it works. I feel like I'm running out of time, so I want this weight gone yesterday. I wish you lots of luck and happiness."
I am not talking about the average person who understands...I talking about desperation and hurt because of peoples reactions....and answers...
Do you think it's a good idea to post private messages to a public forum? I understand that you were trying to underscore a point here, but if that individual wanted the message to be public, they would have posted it publicly themselves.
I would have sent this comment to you in a private message, but as you'd probably just post it, I cut out the middleman.
I don't think she did anything wrong posting that, I have not idea who sent it to her and no one else does, for all anyone knows I sent it to her. I have been on a few sites for weight loss and the forums here just blew me away at how quickly people will tell you that you are wrong in what you are doing.. I know people don't like my method I eat about 1000 cals a day, a few days I went over no big deal and I work out for 2 hours a day, but I also have a very specific short term goal. I don't eat junk for my cals it's all good stuff but that doesn't matter to those who know whats best for me... I eat a lot of fruits and veggies... also I am not going to eat back my exercise calories... I burned them for a reason lol! I am glad the OP shared this as I agree with her and applaud her for standing up!0 -
I realize that this is targeted to a very specific audience (the morbidly obese) but I'm afraid others who don't have as much to lose may take this out of context and use it as a reference as to why they can eat very few calories and just think they are burning off their fat stores, when in fact those people would be wasting muscle along with the fat.
I just wanted to make it clear that this post was meant to target a very specific audience and not the entire weight loss community.0 -
I do not believe posting it without saying anything about who sent it was wrong at all. I believe that everyone should know why some people are not posting....
As far as depriving myself.....I am morbidly obese..and I do not understand food or full or what is a perfect portion....So eating small meals for three days I felt weird...not going into the kitchen.. After that I have felt great.....The whole point of it being okay if you want to eat small portions is that I don't have the desire to feel bad...
What feels bad is when people say we are wrong to do so...I feel amazing, I have doubled my work out because I want too..I have loved not eating...I love never feeling hungry...I love not blowing hundreds of dollars a month on organic......I love not paying a fortune for "diets"
and yes this is only if you SEVERELY overweight.....not think you are.....When you know you are going to need plastic surgery because you have over 100 pounds to loose then the thought of eating less is ok.....
This is what is all comes down too.... Harrison's principal of internal medicine...the dr.s bible says in chapter 74 15th ed that a very obese person can live more than a year without one bite of food...
Every where I have searched and studied I have found that if your kidneys are working properly flushing out the body because you are drinking enough water..then your liver is left to do it's job...which is burn your energy, fat, food....Turn it to sugar which is our fuel and burn it....Of course you need to have extra fat to burn..
So no I will say again this is about being obese.....not about not liking how you look......
Not at all the entire weight loss community....When you are taking care of your body...Maintaining your vessel it is imperative to continually fuel it with food and to eat right and work out....
BY no means am I slamming or judging the community....I am simply asking for us not to be judged and slammed too....
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Kjalune You ARE correct!
I have a very liberal Uncle when it comes to being a physician (OBGYN) but he is also a top Physician with Johnson & JOhnson, Speaks/teaches All over the WORLD (including China) and lobbies in congress (Thank him for helping get Birthcontrol Covered by medical insurance because VIAGRA was covered almos 2 years before BC)
You are doing the right thing getting the weight off now. And atleast you recognize you NEED to learn healthy habits to KEEP it off.
I dont do planned diets, someone elses excercise plan, ect. Because you know what? I like my candy, and sweet hearts, and coca cola. But I lost 43 lbs in 90 days (and only ate ice cream and yogurt for 2 weeks due to an illness which made me regain 3 lbs During that 90 days) and I want to loose my last 35 lbs prior to May 1st. Will I be dissapointed if I dont hit it? Maybe. But I will be damn close! Because thats what I want! I have yo-yoed and been on prescription appetite suppressants twice and the first time I didnt make drastic changes to go with it, this last time I did, more drastic then most recommend but it worked for me.
I have an size 3 sister who complains she is out of shape because her 6 pack is a 4 pack right now. I want to smack her
SHe eats so clean she's BORING! I would last 3 days on her diet honestly, but I work out more then her and thats why my weight still comes off 
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If you're that overweight, sure -- do whatever it takes to get the fat off short of pills, colon cleanses, and other gimmicks.
But, there needs to be an understanding that when you get close to your goal weight, the harder it will become to maintain large deficits and your weight loss will suffer. Because a lot of the 50+ to lose group like to go on Starvation mode threads and say things like, "Well, I never eat my exercise calories back and I've lost 20 pounds in 3 weeks! So maybe my body is different!"0 -
Just 2 things. They might have been mentioned, but I didn't feel like reading everyone's comments.
#1) In the morbidly obese population (and overweight population), research shows that even a small percentage of weight loss can have significant positive impacts to health. Therefore, you don't need to lose it "all" (be your "ideal" weight) before you start becoming healthier and start reversing the damage the obesity has done to your body.
#2) You can lose weight fast. You can lose weight fast and be safe/healthy. However, it is the maintenance that becomes harder. Studies have shown that people who lose weight slowly (1-2 lbs/week) keep it off longer than those who lose faster.
Good luck to you.0
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