Stranded at 180!

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Hi. Im new to this site. Just looking to share and read others struggles and success thru weight loss, and hopefully find my nitch. I have been at 180 -185 for atleast a year. I work out five days a week. monday and fridays body pump and 30 - 60 treadmill, tuesdays step class and 30 -60 minutes treadmill, thursdays 24 set and 30 -60 minutes treadmill and wednesdays just treadmill for 60 minutes. And at the end of the week, I weigh the same. I can go for 2 - 3 weeks without working out, you know going on strike, and yet I wont gain a pound. I am just so sick and tired of not getting results!

So I turn to you my fitness pals. Any one else with these struggles? Anyone else find the solution? or am I Stranded at 180 forever?!?!?

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  • hpsnickers1
    hpsnickers1 Posts: 2,783 Member
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    The body treats all exercise (and calorie restriction) as stress and will protect itself (and your fat reserves) from it. You could be doing too much and not eating enough

    Working With Your Body - The Basic Strategy
    By John P. Hussman, Ph.D.
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    http://www.hussmanfitness.org/html/TPAdaptation.html
  • natskedat
    natskedat Posts: 570 Member
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    Post a couple of days worth of food diary, and people can help you out. Sometimes, as strange as it may seem, you need to increase your caloric intake to lose weight (it increases your metabolism). Friend me if you'd like! Also, strength training is really important for increasing your metabolism.

    Good luck!
  • Bellydance
    Bellydance Posts: 105 Member
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    Stranded at 172 here! Same deal although you work out more than I do. Something's gotta give at some point. i'm thinking (from the advice I get) that I'm gonna go a day on 700 calories, then 1200, then 900, then 1500, then 700. I'll post my results after two weeks if there's a change. This is only one idea; hope there's more out there. You are not alone however, if that helps.
  • Brittney24
    Brittney24 Posts: 105
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    Are you tracking your calories everyday?
    Are you eating back your exercise calories? Since you should eat at least all if not half of them back in a day.
    Have you considered changing up your exercise routine to confuse your body? Are the classes doing the same thing every week? Maybe consider doing the elliptical for a week instead of the treadmill.
  • klmmoore
    klmmoore Posts: 98 Member
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    I am also stuck at 180 for the last 2-3 months. I recently changed my goal to lose 1/2 pound per week and I am eating back most of my exercise calories. I am hoping this will make a difference. Good luck and feel free to friend me for extra support!
  • Becky011
    Becky011 Posts: 384
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    Ok I don't have a brilliant scientific answer but I can tell you from my experience.

    I've faced this on numerous occasions where i'm stuck at 180 and then i will lose and gain back the same 2-4lbs. For me I first had to tackle my food - I was eating better than i had been but still not as well as i needed to be. i had to start focusing on my fruits and veggies and low fat proteins. just trying to eat overall "cleaner" foods, less ingredients the better --->> I am by no means perfect on this or where i need to be. But I'm getting better :)

    That didn't fix it for me (i maybe a couple pounds but i was still fluctuating quite a bit and battling that 180 mark)

    So then I looked at my workout plan/routine however you want to look at it. it was just inconsistent. now I work out 2-3 (and sometimes 4) times during the week (sunday - Friday) and I do a kick butt 2 hour workout on Saturdays. I don't have set in stone rest days (sundays have been rest days during the winter but with the weather getting nicer we'll probaby be more active on weekends) I just try to go with what happens with life and put the effort in to work out and spread my workouts throughout the week.

    its slowly but surely working for me! Keep your head up and DO NOT give up. Every time I hit a week with no loss I'm tempted to quite but its no longer an option. I know i will get where i need to eventually :) You can do it! And def build a group of supportive friends around here (MFP) that has helped me quite a bit.
  • rodneyderrick
    rodneyderrick Posts: 483 Member
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    Um... it appears that you're trying to lose weight through exercise only. If you've ever said or thought, I can eat this because I exercised. Well, you've already failed to lose weight. You, ma'am, shouldn't take in over 1,500 calories a day, and the only way to insure that you keep your calories under control is to log them.
  • DixieDarlin1987
    DixieDarlin1987 Posts: 553 Member
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    ah the dreaded plateau! I was stuck at 185 for a while and just recently broke through it by calorie shifting (aka zig zagging) as a previous poster had mentioned, however I do not do it to the extreme that she suggested. I eat 1200 calories on Mon-Thurs, 2000 calories on Friday, and have two free days where I indulge on Sat and Sun. I don't count calories on those days but I try not to go crazy and eat everything in sight. This has worked well for me and the break on Sat and Sun from counting calories keeps me sane lol! Oh and also, the calorie counts I just mentioned are not my calories consumed, they're my net calories. I'd say you're already exercising plenty but again, I agree with a couple of previous posts...1) mix it up a little more and 2) strength training is super important because the more muscle you have, the more calories you burn. Definitely keep up the cardio but try adding in some strength training, even if it's just light weights once or twice a week.
    Good luck!
  • sweetsomer
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    Well, I hope this website will help me log what I eat. I logged what I ate so far this morning, and it was pretty easy. Thanks for all the input. Maybe I need to change my workout plan, or add more cardio. A few of you had put that I need to eat back my calories of what I burn? Im confused... I thought that I was supposed to burn calories to loose weight. If I replace them then how does that work?
  • Buckeyt
    Buckeyt Posts: 473 Member
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    Stranded at 172 here! Same deal although you work out more than I do. Something's gotta give at some point. i'm thinking (from the advice I get) that I'm gonna go a day on 700 calories, then 1200, then 900, then 1500, then 700. I'll post my results after two weeks if there's a change. This is only one idea; hope there's more out there. You are not alone however, if that helps.

    I took a look at your diary. On what appears to be your completely filled out days I'd say you're drastically under eating. I know that is an overused term here but it is quite sound for a number of reasons.

    1) As you starve yourself, and 800-1000 calories is starving, your metabolism will slow down making your body more efficient at storing calories.
    2) With your metabolism lowered, any sizeable increase in calories will get stoared as fat. Your body will horde those calories as it doesn't know when it will get food again.
    3) at such a low caloric intake a lot of the weight you lose will infact be muscle. When you starve yourself, your body fat is the last thing your body will want to give up, but as you start eating normally again the weight you gain will be predominantly fat, so you end up fatter, as a % than when you started.

    Eating more has worked for me when i've stalled. When I changed workout programs last summer, I jumped up 300-400 calories a day and lost 5 pounds that first week. So I know first hand that it does work. It is hard to find that right balance I will admit.

    As you eat more you'll be able to workout harder and longer to burn more calories, not sure what you're doing in terms of exercise but make sure you're getting your HR up and mixing in some strength training to help prevent muscle loss.

    Hate to sound all preachy, but alcohol kills weight loss. Your body has to first break down that alcohol while much of what you eat gets stored.

    We all know it's hard. As someone who had giant weight fluctuations most of my life it wasn't until last year, at the age of 41 that I got serious about both my exercise plan and equally if not more serious about my nutrition plan and now I'm feel great. I really didn't give myslef the option of not succeeding. For those of us with weight issues, there really is no end point it is a lifelong committment to health.

    Just keep on working at it, we can't give up!!

    Tim
  • DixieDarlin1987
    DixieDarlin1987 Posts: 553 Member
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    Well, I hope this website will help me log what I eat. I logged what I ate so far this morning, and it was pretty easy. Thanks for all the input. Maybe I need to change my workout plan, or add more cardio. A few of you had put that I need to eat back my calories of what I burn? Im confused... I thought that I was supposed to burn calories to loose weight. If I replace them then how does that work?

    I'm just going to use random numbers for this (everyone's magic calorie number is different) If you eat say 2000 calories one day and then go work out and burn say 300 calories, you're net calories would be 1700 (2000-300=1700). 1700 is a perfectly acceptable amount of net calories to be eating. But say you only eat 800 calories and then you workout and burn 300 calories...your net calories are only 500. 500 net calories is dangerously low and you will pay for it by losing muscle instead of fat and with extreme fatigue. So what people are trying to tell you is if your going to keep the calories you eat super low....eat some back on the days you exercise so you lose fat instead of muscle. On days that I find my calorie intake on the high end, I don't eat them back but if I did super low, I make sure I eat enough back to keep me at 1200 or higher. Instead of thinking of food as the enemy, think of it as your friend. Food is fuel so you can get the most out of your workout. Eat good, nutritious foods that are going to support your intense exercise schedule