Vegetarian thinking about eating meat again-help!

Eskimopie
Eskimopie Posts: 235 Member
edited September 26 in Food and Nutrition
I've been a vegetarian since I was 13, I'm now 23. Quite honestly, I don't even really view meat as food anymore. That includes all meat, fish, and gelatin. I do eat eggs and dairy.

However...I was recently diagnosed with high cholestoral and a slow thyroid. Plus, I have a really difficult time meeting my protein goals. I think I just eat wayyy too much sugar and carbs (I'm an addict!)

So I've been considering eating small quantities of chicken and beef from a local, organic, grass-fed, free-range farm near my house. With my ethics, that's the best I can do, short of raising the animals myself, to ensure they live relatively free of cruelty. I can't stomach the idea of fish, it just grosses me out.

Any advice for how to ease back into meat eating for someone kind of grossed out by the idea? How often do you think would be enough, I don't think I could do it daily, not to mention this kind of meat is expensive. Is this a silly idea and I should just concentrate on eliminating refined carbs and sugar? Ack!

Thanks in advance for any advice!

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  • HungryTuna
    HungryTuna Posts: 141
    There are numerous ways to meet your protein needs without incorporating meat into your diet. Nuts, seeds, beans, legumes, soy (edamame or tofu are great), rice, grains, some veggies (in higher quantities)... I mean, why is meat the only way? I think being vegetarian for that long is wonderful. Just make it a goal to cut back on sugary foods, and keep your carbs clean and complex (e.g. grains, brown rice, fruit)..
    Also, since you consume dairy and eggs, protein shouldn't be hard to come by in this area. Best of luck!
  • Zoe9636
    Zoe9636 Posts: 56
    Can you ask your doctor to refer you to a dietician to see if there is anything you can do and still be a vegetarian, it seems a shame to start eating meat without exploring all the options.
  • JennLifts
    JennLifts Posts: 1,913 Member
    I'd honestly be more concerned about how sick you might get the first time you ate it. But I would start small for sure. Maybe a soup with shredded chicken, or something where it's not the main portion of the meal.
    I'd either way work on the refined carbs and sugar though.
    Do know that meat is a cholesterol carrrrrrrier :)
  • myukniewicz
    myukniewicz Posts: 906 Member
    There are numerous ways to meet your protein needs without incorporating meat into your diet. Nuts, seeds, beans, legumes, soy (edamame or tofu are great), rice, grains, some veggies (in higher quantities)... I mean, why is meat the only way? I think being vegetarian for that long is wonderful. Just make it a goal to cut back on sugary foods, and keep your carbs clean and complex (e.g. grains, brown rice, fruit)..
    Also, since you consume dairy and eggs, protein shouldn't be hard to come by in this area. Best of luck!

    i agree completely.
    i don't think meat is the only option for protein. I am a pescatarian, so i do eat fish, but i mostly eat strictly vegetarian the majority of the time. i am able to meet my protein goals with eating the foods that are listed above. and when u eat carbs, make sure they are complex carbs, and not highly processed.

    best of luck!
  • rfcollins33
    rfcollins33 Posts: 630
    hey! sorry, I read it but didn't see why you'd want to eat meat again if it "grosses you out." Why don't you just continue being a vegetarian and eat healthier breads, fruit, veggies, etc? Just curious....
  • myukniewicz
    myukniewicz Posts: 906 Member
    Do know that meat is a cholesterol carrrrrrrier :)

    thank you for making this point. lol i forgot to say that.
  • rfcollins33
    rfcollins33 Posts: 630
    Do know that meat is a cholesterol carrrrrrrier :)

    thank you for making this point. lol i forgot to say that.

    so true....
  • elliecolorado
    elliecolorado Posts: 1,040
    If you don't want to eat meat, you should still be able to get enough protein without it. You said you still eat eggs and dairy, eggs have a lot of protein, you could also add a protein shake once a day, I have one after I work out. Also you could eat peanut butter, get the natural kind with no sugar added. There are plenty of ways to get protein with out eating meat.
  • wvjanie
    wvjanie Posts: 37 Member
    I've been a vegetarian since 1977, but also was addicted to sugar. As HungryTuna mentioned, there are many good sources of protein, some dense in calories (read that nuts), as well as coconut products, oils and avocados. The first thing I did was stop eating anything with corn syrup, high fructose corn syrup, and derivatives. Not only did that eliminate most of the unhealthy foods I was eating, but also got rid of the intense sugar cravings after about a week. Then I started eating only unrefined grains, fruits and vegetables, and foods made from the same. It has really helped with my cholesterol readings and my overall sense of well being.
    I am also hypothyroid. I would recommend having your Vit. D level checked by your doctor and taking a good supplement, the does relative to what you find your level is. It seems that Vit. D is involved in the immune system (along with many other things), and low levels can affect your thyroid function.
    Exercise and the ensuing weight loss, seems to have been very effective in lowering my bad cholesterol and increasing the good, where other things have failed. Good luck!
  • auntiebabs
    auntiebabs Posts: 1,754 Member
    I can't seem to find my copy of "diet for a small planet"

    It had a very easy to understand chart of which food groups to combine to make a "COMPLETE PROTEINS"

    If I find it I'll scan it and post the chart. But I still haven't unpacked boxes from my last move. So maybe someone else will be able to get to it before me.

    I thought for sure a quick google would turn up something similar, but I had no luck
  • eeeekie
    eeeekie Posts: 1,011 Member
    I haven't had beef in over 8 years. About 3 years ago I was dared to try a bite of steak (with also the trade that the person would try a cherry because he hates cherries). I put it in my mouth, chewed down on it and nearly threw up. I spit it out immediately. I don't think I'll ever eat red meat ever again and that experience reassured me that I knew I didn't want it. Another thing that keeps me from eating it (added reassurance) is that I know if I ate it it would make me super sick.

    If you don't WANT to eat it then don't eat it. It will take awhile for your stomach to get used to it again. There are other ways to get those nutrients...other foods and vitamins.
  • wonnder1
    wonnder1 Posts: 460
    I'm a big fan of meat. But if you have ethics against it, how can you even think about it?

    No, I say you just learn the proper way to be vegetarian. It seems like a lot of work to me, but then, our core values are the things that define us. Are you going to give up yourself to lose weight?
  • gingerfoxxx
    gingerfoxxx Posts: 267 Member
    I eased my way back in with fish, and then realized i was content with only adding fish. There is a lot of variety, and its a great source of protein. The texture is more familiar to a vegetarian then chicken or beef. i just started with small portions. I had no problems adjusting (i heard horror stories about people getting sick, but i never did!)
  • sweet_lotus
    sweet_lotus Posts: 194 Member
    What % of total calories are you setting aside for protein?

    Protein rich vegetarian foods: tofu, seitan, tempeh, soy nuts, peanuts, beans, hemp seeds, quinoa. If you are lacto-ovo: greek yogurt, cottage cheese, eggs. Grains, and even vegetables have a little bit.

    You can be veg, and even do high protein low carb - I know someone who did vegan Atkins -- hahahaha!

    If you need to eat meat for your health, though, do it. I ate it for two weeks because of illness - related appetite loss. Meat is calorie dense so it was easier for me to get enough food in one meal. I hadn't eaten any meat in 10 years. It was really gross, though. The smell alone - totally nauseating. So glad that symptom is gone.

    Definitely ditch the junk food. Hope your health improves!
  • TourThePast
    TourThePast Posts: 1,753 Member
    Eating a healthy vegetarian diet, you need to be pretty committed to eating properly. Of course that is a goal that we should all share, but if it's not actually happening then yes I can understand your considering eating meat.

    So, I wondered whether maybe any of the food you eat is "meat substitute" food. For instance a veggie friend of mine eats some sort of manufactured protein thing that resembles bacon. So if there is something you eat a veggie version of, for instance soya mince, that might be a first start?
  • Eskimopie
    Eskimopie Posts: 235 Member
    Thanks all!

    I know there are many protein sources...but when I log it, I still see that it just isn't that much. For instance, an egg is 6 grams. And I keep hearing that I shouldn't be eating soy alllll the time. Nuts only have so much as well, and they aren't complete proteins. I set aside maybe 30 percent, but I don't usually meet that goal. Even though I eat eggs regulary, tofu regulary, etc. I've been adding lentils and quinoa lately as well.

    When I say meat grosses me out, it's mostly that I haven't had it in so long that I don't view it as food. Also, I mean that I despise the whole concept of factory farming. I don't think eating meat is inherently wrong like some vegetarians do, just the way we treat animals/the earth is, thus I don't have so much of an ideological problem with happily-raised, environmentally-friendly farming methods. I know not everyone has the means to spend $8 on a dozen eggs, but I do, and I would get my meat from the same source. (Edit to say I'm way far from rich and hope I don't sound like a jerk here. Just that I have no kids, no loans, no car and cheap rent...so I can spend more on food.)

    I'm thinking that I will stay veggie for now and drastically reduce my sugar and white flour consumption, and see how my levels are in 4 months. I can always reevaluate then.
  • Eskimopie
    Eskimopie Posts: 235 Member
    I am also hypothyroid. I would recommend having your Vit. D level checked by your doctor and taking a good supplement, the does relative to what you find your level is. It seems that Vit. D is involved in the immune system (along with many other things), and low levels can affect your thyroid function.
    Exercise and the ensuing weight loss, seems to have been very effective in lowering my bad cholesterol and increasing the good, where other things have failed. Good luck!

    Interesting! I had extremely low vitamin D levels about a year ago, it was like 16 or something. I was put on mega doses of it and raised it to the 30's but I haven't been very good about continuing to take maintenance supplements. I'm also very good about avoiding the sun and wearing sunscreen, so my levels are probably not that good again. I'll have to work on taking them every day. I've been exercising much more hardcore lately, I just got back from my lunchtime gym workout in fact. Hope it helps!
  • Eskimopie
    Eskimopie Posts: 235 Member
    Can you ask your doctor to refer you to a dietitian to see if there is anything you can do and still be a vegetarian, it seems a shame to start eating meat without exploring all the options.

    Haha maybe I should. She advised me to eat more fish when I said I was a vegetarian. I told her I don't eat fish either and she rolled her eyes....and told me to eat flax. She is wonderful overall though and is the only doctor I've found who takes my general complaints seriously, so I won't hold that one against her. Maybe if someone put together a meal plan for me I'd have an easier time.
  • busygirl1
    busygirl1 Posts: 217
    There are numerous ways to meet your protein needs without incorporating meat into your diet. Nuts, seeds, beans, legumes, soy (edamame or tofu are great), rice, grains, some veggies (in higher quantities)... I mean, why is meat the only way? I think being vegetarian for that long is wonderful. Just make it a goal to cut back on sugary foods, and keep your carbs clean and complex (e.g. grains, brown rice, fruit)..
    Also, since you consume dairy and eggs, protein shouldn't be hard to come by in this area. Best of luck!

    i agree completely.
    i don't think meat is the only option for protein. I am a pescatarian, so i do eat fish, but i mostly eat strictly vegetarian the majority of the time. i am able to meet my protein goals with eating the foods that are listed above. and when u eat carbs, make sure they are complex carbs, and not highly processed.

    best of luck!

    ditto to this
  • therobinator
    therobinator Posts: 832 Member
    Why not protein powder (whey, not soy) in smoothies, baked goods, etc.....instead of meat?
  • queenmedusa
    queenmedusa Posts: 247 Member
    Always check to make sure that the protein values in the foods that you log are the right ones. Some of what individuals have logged on here is incorrect so you have to make sure it ties up with what's on your packet. And if it's a whole food you can always check the values on nutritiondata.com. Chickpeas and lentils are great proteins and can be used to make dips for veggies or sandwich fillings. Daal is brilliant for a low cal meal, chickpeas are great in salads. Quinoa is a great replacement for rice and pasta and is a protein too. Lots of ways to fit proteins into your life without giving up being a veggie - it's something I would never consider giving up now and I'm positive that there's always a vegetarian way to get around every health problem!
  • nkenga
    nkenga Posts: 46
    Get your doctor to refer you to a nutritionist who is VERY familiar with vegetarian diets, and is willing to work with you to craft a vegetarian diet that will give you all the nutrients you need. If you have friends who are vegetarian, they may know someone who meets those qualifications.

    Also, new research suggests that it's not the cholesterol in meat that is causing the problems humans have with cholesterol, it's sugar intake. Watching how much refined sugar you eat, along with exercise, may help your cholesterol levels.

    If you do choose to eat meat again, going the path of locally farm raised animals is IMO, the best way of doing it. However, you may want to try adding fish and seafood first before diving into chicken, beef, and pork.

    Lastly, sometimes, unfortunately, we find that the diet we want to follow is not the diet that is best for our bodies. I find that a vegan or vegetarian diet is not good for me (I start having serious skin and nail issues, along with fuzzy-brain and memory loss, after a couple of months). There are many other people who are vegetarian who do great with it, others need to eat a serving of meat every once in a while (once a month or so). Put it this way - the more supplements you need to make your diet work, the less your diet is working for you.
  • Janeta58
    Janeta58 Posts: 59 Member
    Hi there!
    I think our nutritional needs are quite individual: when my oldest daughter was 14, she was 'grossed out' cooking chicken and decided to eat a vegan diet; I am a good cook so I was very careful with making sure that she got all of her nutrients. Then my youngest daughter decided to go vegetarian. She liked cheese and eggs too much to give them up. So I thought, heck! I am cooking for these two, I might as well join them. I followed a vegetarian diet for two years; ate fabulous meals and soy based foods several times a week.
    All of us had issues with low vitamin B12 levels, and my youngest daughter and I had low levels of iron storage. Fatigue! Headaches! Nausea! All of them. At one point, my daughter was getting iron injections because the oral supplements did nothing to the blood levels.
    Finally, the two of us added in a little bit of meat every week and we felt so much better! My oldest daughter started eating vegetarian after the first year of eating a vegan diet and 15 years later, she eats a little high quality chicken and fish.
    I feel so much better eating a bit of meat which is a great protein source that my body seems to like. My iron stores are great and I haven't had to take B12 supplements for 15 years.
    However, ALL of us are now allergic to soy in any form. I have been told that this is not unusual.
    I have been hypothyroid for years and also have hypoglycemia (low blood sugar) ... eating a healthy diet with lots of fruit and vegetable and good protein, with some olive oil or canola oil is the diet I follow now. I don't have the huge swings and aching muscles that I do when I eat a lot of sweets and white flour. Now I avoid BOTH of these.
    It's trial and error for sure but I agree with everyone else who has suggested cutting out white flour and sugars!
    Good luck and eat what 'feels' right for you.
    :smile:
  • FullOfSpice
    FullOfSpice Posts: 176 Member
    I am in the same situation. I've been vegetarian most my life, it happened when I was about 10 years old. I didn't eat meat for about 8-10 years, then after college, I became very fit. A little side story is that my whole life I've never been thin, more curvy. That being said, after I started incorporating chicken and lean turkey into my diet, with exercise 5-6x a week, I was the healthiest I had ever been in my whole life. I was used to getting sick 4-5 a year without a doubt, and after I started working out and eating meat, all those problems disappeared. Recently, I decided to go vegetarian again. After 8 months of not eating meat, I realized I gained a lot of weight, due to eating way to many carb and starchy foods. I even tried protein shakes, soy, and hemp powder, but nothing really helped. I guess eating too much soy is not good, bc I recently found out hypothyroidism runs in my family, and eating soy can slow down your thyroid even more.

    Last week, I started eating meat again - chicken and fish and even though I'm not too fond of the taste, I found I have more energy and can workout for longer periods of time without being exhausted. If you want to try it out for a little bit, there's no harm, if you don't feel comfortable after trying it, you can always go back to eating vegetarian. Good luck
  • fteale
    fteale Posts: 5,310 Member
    I couldn't. Like you, I just don't view meat as food at all. I can't bear to touch it, let alone put it in my mouth. I really don't think you need to worry about protein goals. I think most people eat too much protein anyway. I have always been very low on protein, and yet I build muscle faster than any other woman I know. Just go with your ethics.
  • MEAT IS AWESOME!!!!! :love: :love: :love:
  • sweet_lotus
    sweet_lotus Posts: 194 Member
    I know there are many protein sources...but when I log it, I still see that it just isn't that much. For instance, an egg is 6 grams. And I keep hearing that I shouldn't be eating soy alllll the time. Nuts only have so much as well, and they aren't complete proteins. I set aside maybe 30 percent, but I don't usually meet that goal. Even though I eat eggs regulary, tofu regulary, etc. I've been adding lentils and quinoa lately as well.

    Oh yeah, an egg is only 6g protein, but it's like only 70 cals, so I usually eat two. ;)

    The CDC recommends 10-35% cal from protein, with 10% being absolute barebones minimum-to-sustain-health. The thing with protein is that eating more doesn't necessarily have a benefit - you just pee out what you don't use. I aim for 20% and don't have any problems meeting it most of the time, but, 30% would definitely be tough without going really heavy on the soy and/or dairy. If I'm doing math right, that's 150g on 2000cal./day diet. Anyway, again, good luck.
  • krea4
    krea4 Posts: 1,823 Member
    If you have high cholesterol you should be avoiding food high in saturated fat. Most (80%) of our cholesterol is synthesised in the liver in a response to the type of fat we are eating. When your blood was tested you should (i know you get these values in the UK) have been told your levels of total cholesterol, high density lipoprotein (HDL) and low density lipoprotein (LDL) . Ideally you want low levels of HDL as they are linked to CHD. HDL are produced in response to saturated fat in our diets.

    I think seeing a dietian familiar with vegetarian nutrition would be a fantastic idea for you.

    Best of luck!!
  • Eskimopie
    Eskimopie Posts: 235 Member
    Wait...you mean HDL should be high, and LDL should be low, right? That's what I've always heard anyway.

    My HDL is actually really good, my doctor said. It's the LDL that's the problem.
  • Eskimopie
    Eskimopie Posts: 235 Member
    Interesting...everyone on this board is allllll about getting protein. Do you lift weights or build muscle other ways?

    Edit: this was addressed to fteale. Sorry!
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