Protein: the necessary evil?

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  • libbydoodle11
    libbydoodle11 Posts: 1,351 Member
    Bump for later reading.
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    Let's be clear

    Animal protein is bad because it contains hormones and anti-biotics.

    Soy products are high in protein but are bad when eaten in excessive amounts.

    Gluten and by association wheat is of the devil because it has been Genetically Modified. Think about it, how many celiacs did you know 20 years ago?

    Farm raised seafood is raised in fresh water (unnatural). It is fed corn, wheat and they eat their own poop!. Imagine the bacteria. Read the ingredients on a can of farm raised salmon and you will find "added color"! Wild Seafood is the only sea food you should eat. Wild seafood lives in salt water which has antibacterial and preserving properties when applied in abundance to foods. Salt water deters the reproduction of many microorganisms.

    Also, by the RDA's own guidelines, a male needs only 56 grams of protein per day, a woman needs only 46!

    Now you have the facts!
    Celiac disease was first described about 2500 years ago. So, did modern scientists travel back to ancient Greece to stick their genetically modified wheat into the food supply to cause celiacs back then?
  • stealthq
    stealthq Posts: 4,298 Member
    Double post
  • stealthq
    stealthq Posts: 4,298 Member
    Let's be clear

    Animal protein is bad because it contains hormones and anti-biotics.

    Soy products are high in protein but are bad when eaten in excessive amounts.

    Gluten and by association wheat is of the devil because it has been Genetically Modified. Think about it, how many celiacs did you know 20 years ago?

    Farm raised seafood is raised in fresh water (unnatural). It is fed corn, wheat and they eat their own poop!. Imagine the bacteria. Read the ingredients on a can of farm raised salmon and you will find "added color"! Wild Seafood is the only sea food you should eat. Wild seafood lives in salt water which has antibacterial and preserving properties when applied in abundance to foods. Salt water deters the reproduction of many microorganisms.

    Also, by the RDA's own guidelines, a male needs only 56 grams of protein per day, a woman needs only 46!

    Now you have the facts!
    Celiac disease was first described about 2500 years ago. So, did modern scientists travel back to ancient Greece to stick their genetically modified wheat into the food supply to cause celiacs back then?

    Not at all. It was the aliens. You know they have a monopoly on time travel technology.

    I wonder if this person realizes that many species of 'wild seafood' eats its own poop or the poop of other critters?
  • Helloitsdan
    Helloitsdan Posts: 5,564 Member
    In the grand scale of things it's not any 1 nutrient causing problems in anyone life, but a culmination of many things given time to manifest.

    I'll eat all the beef before the soy.

    Search "Protein examine.com"
    Follow what Dr. Spencer Nadolski says.
  • stumblinthrulife
    stumblinthrulife Posts: 2,558 Member
    You can go round and round in circles on which particular foods/nutrients are good/bad and get nowhere, or you can just eat balanced, varied diet with consumption appropriate to activity levels.


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  • Helloitsdan
    Helloitsdan Posts: 5,564 Member
    But wouldn't you rather embrace woo and have anxiety over food? That's more exciting! Bring on the Food Babe and Mercolol.
  • SmokinJoe77
    SmokinJoe77 Posts: 14 Member
    So, this thread has made my point...it gets heated really quick on both sides of the fence. Good conversation, thanks everyone. I do need to seriously look at my protein intake, but think I'll do as many suggested and go at it from the diversity approach. Fish, chicken, pork, tofu, seitan, lentils, and whatever else I can find to make my plate not boring.
  • xmichaelyx
    xmichaelyx Posts: 883 Member
    Believe science. Learn to read scientific literature, and it's very easy to weed out the kooks, snake-oil salesmen, and axe-grinders.

    Also, a little common sense goes a long way.
  • GingerLolita
    GingerLolita Posts: 738 Member
    I agree that the information out there can be a bit overwhelming, but I think it's all about moderation. I've debated veganism, but ultimately decided that I'd rather continue to get some of my protein from organic eggs and chicken and wild fish. Although I'm considering limiting my soy intake because of hormone issues, I don't think you have much to worry about because I haven't heard of phytoestrogens having a significant impact on men's health. Also, if you don't have Celiac disease or a sensitivity or health issue that makes seitan a bad choice for you, I recommend you include that in moderation as well. In trying to limit my intake of animal proteins, I think the best strategy is to strive to get protein everywhere you can and making high-protein choices throughout the day, including snacks.
  • GingerLolita
    GingerLolita Posts: 738 Member
    LexiMelo wrote: »
    A life without red meat, dairy and gluten is not a life worth living IMHO. No steak, no bacon, no ice cream, no blueberry muffins?
    the idea makes me :cry:

    I can't eat any of the above because of health reasons, so I find this quite rude. For the record, I don't even like steak or bacon. And while I've found that Trader Joe's makes a delicious chocolate coconut-based ice cream and there are great gluten-free baked goods to be had in my city (or kitchen!), I also have to limit my sugar intake. It sucks, but I'm not about to kill myself over it.
  • SmokinJoe77
    SmokinJoe77 Posts: 14 Member
    GingerLolita wrote: »
    I agree that the information out there can be a bit overwhelming, but I think it's all about moderation. I've debated veganism, but ultimately decided that I'd rather continue to get some of my protein from organic eggs and chicken and wild fish. Although I'm considering limiting my soy intake because of hormone issues, I don't think you have much to worry about because I haven't heard of phytoestrogens having a significant impact on men's health. Also, if you don't have Celiac disease or a sensitivity or health issue that makes seitan a bad choice for you, I recommend you include that in moderation as well. In trying to limit my intake of animal proteins, I think the best strategy is to strive to get protein everywhere you can and making high-protein choices throughout the day, including snacks.

    This is right on track where I was heading on my own (before I got sidetracked with the good, bad and ugly of nutrition). In a few years, my diet will be primarily fish/seafood and vegetables because I am relocating to an environment in which this will be my sustainable food source. Chicken will be an occasional treat.

    As for red meat, I don't crave it at all like I used to. I have bacon on Saturday but for the most part it's poultry and fish for my meat source. I used to be a "steak and taters" guy, but it just doesn't taste good any more.

    Thank you for your feedback.
  • AlanaTedmon
    AlanaTedmon Posts: 105 Member
    sympha01 wrote: »
    Be more skeptical of your sources. Both of the sources you cite (Authority nutrition especially, but the other one also looks pretty sketchy to me) talk a lot of noise about being "science-based" but appear to be advocacy entities that cherry pick *which* scientific studies they cite in order to confirm their own biases or the personal hobbyhorses of their owner / editors.

    It's hard for us laypeople to know who to trust, but in general you're safer with:

    1. Peer-reviewed research
    2. Non-biased, independent objective organizations, ideally ones you've ACTUALLY heard of for clinical experience (e.g. the Mayo Clinic) or for working with medical professionals in a broad-based way (American Heart Association, American Cancer Society). If the organization exists solely for the purpose of disseminating information to non-professionals like you and me, consider them suspect: they're selling something: either your eyeballs to advertisers, or they're true believers in some specific point of view that medical professionals WON'T accept.

    I got that vibe from the site as well. The information it was using to back up it's claim seemed sort of shaky. The stuff about protein being inflammatory and cancer-causing confuses me.

    Do you have any recommendations for better websites that give more solid information about nutrition and protein?

  • melimomTARDIS
    melimomTARDIS Posts: 1,941 Member
    beans. also a great source of fiber.

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