I'm so totally lost..HELP me...
McBoBo
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Umkay so I've totally hit another plateau and in fact have gained a few lbs in the last few weeks =o( I think I'm just totally confused and need a little help understanding. So before I joined MFP I had lost a bit over 40 lbs doing bascially all protiens withsome veggies and whole oats..yogurts, protein bars, eggs, turkey bacon, chicken breasts and cheese. Here's where I got confused on here 1. I read that if you smell that amonia sweat then you are buring your muscles 2. you have to eat back your workout calories and 3..carbs before working out. So now what was working isn't working because I've totally just confused my brain LOL I was there on the treadmill tonight thinking WHY is this so hard for me all of a sudden? I'm probably not eating the right carbs at the right time ? ? Oh I used to eat peanut butter and I still do .. but is that bad? I ate it before when I was loosing 2 lbs a weeks but now...nada..gaining..stuck..sad.
Any ideas or suggestions?
Any ideas or suggestions?
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This post is for those whom seem to misunderstand how mfp works and need a reminder on it and the finer points of making it work for you.
1) When you joined and put in all your info mfp gave you a daily goal for calories. That goal already has the deficit needed to shed that weight built in right off the crack of the bat with no exercise built in, period end of story. For those whom do not know here is the breakdown on daily deficits based on mfp's goals. The daily deficit is what you need to shed the fat.
1/2 lb loss a week = 250 cal deficit/day BUILT IN.
1 lb/wk loss = 500/day
1.5 lb/wk loss =750/day
2 lb/wk loss - 1000/day.
2) Eating back the exercise calories:
Yes you eat them back unless you want to exceed the goal set forth by mfp every day, IF YOU LOG ACCURATELY EVERY DAY! This is the part that sooooo many seem to have trouble wrapping their heads around. If you log every day and log accurately for food intake and what you burn during exercise via a hrm (get a good one) then it will work without fail. It has done so for me and nearly every single person whom has befriended me on mfp.So lets give an example here:
Person X eats 1200 cals a day, works out and burns 300 cals a day leaving them with 900 net cals, refuses to eat back those exercise cals. They are dipping below starvation mode, give them 2 or 3 days like this and fat loss will stop dead in its tracks and the body will start to consume muscle for survival. So when mfp says eat those calories then that means eat them for a reason, you are not working out for nothing. Your working out to raise your BMR not to shed more fat, let the body shed the fat for you while you enjoy your meal and recover from your workout.
3) Having trouble eating what mfp says you should for caloric intake? You are not alone, many of us do or did not eat enough for fat loss, do not be alarmed. Eating right/more does work I am living proof of that and no I am not trying to sell you something or a fat loss program. I am trying to get you to understand that healthy fat loss is totally achievable without starving the body and it can be done in a way that makes you happy and full of energy. So society/tv/commercials and all those other crack heads/snake oil salesman have it wrong, starving yourself to lose fat is not the answer end of story.
4) Get used to the idea that there are going to be the naysayers out there saying that their "diet" is the best. What else is new, any diet that restricts good healthy foods like fruits, good fats, and healthy carbs is just that it is a diet, not a lifestyle change that will serve you better in the long run. We need to find what works for us and if you trust mfp, log accurately and religiously then it will work for you.
5) Why 1200/day as the minimum? Well this part is debated hotly around here, the reasoning behind that is that it is pretty hard to get the proper nutrition into your body on this low of an intake, so that is why they enforce it so strongly on the site. It is not an arbitrary number they pulled out of thin air, it has been proven several times over that 1200 or less a day is not advisable. Yes you can function on less but do you really want to be walking around starving the body and depleting muscle?
6) Starvation mode what is it? Well simply put starvation mode is not starving yourself from a hunger standpoint. The starvation mode they speak of is when the body is not being fed what it needs so in turn it will slow down the metabolic rate and effectively shut down fat loss. It happens daily on here and the number 1 reason for plateaus as ppl call them on here is that they are simply not eating enough. You can not expect to train like an olympian and eat like a mouse and expect fat loss, it is simple physics. The body need X amount of fuel to run, and X+more for effective fat loss, it is figuring out what amounts work for you to make fat loss a real thing.
So I hope this helps to clear up some misconceptions out there and if you have a question feel free to ask, I will do my best to answer it.0 -
My opinion, and not a popular one, is if what you're doing works, than DO IT! This site is just a tool, and people put way to much emphasis on calorie intake. Everyone is different, everyone's body responds differently! Do what works for you, and when it quits working them re-evaluate and shake it up!0
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I actually never lose if I go under more than a 100 calories in a day. In fact I raised my goal to 1/2 pound and have lost more. Consider your body a car, you are not going to get far on fumes. Your body needs the calories if you are working out.0
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My opinion, and not a popular one, is if what you're doing works, than DO IT! This site is just a tool, and people put way to much emphasis on calorie intake. Everyone is different, everyone's body responds differently! Do what works for you, and when it quits working them re-evaluate and shake it up!
I totaly agree with you!! everyone's body responds differently............Good luck
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newfiedan...
You have opened up my eyes. And I understood this stuff already. Everyone on this site should read that post of yours.
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!
Jenn0 -
eat 6 small meals a day, high protein, low sugar, low carb diet. One fruit in the morning and one serving of carbs for breakfast and one for lunch. Eat green veggies for 4 out of 6 meals.
I'm on the Body by Vi 90 Day Challenge. Today is my 20th day, and I have lost 15 pounds. I did go through 5-6 days without weight loss, but I stayed positive, because I knew I didn't cheat!! You can get more info about the 90 day challenge, just ask!
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I respectfully disagree that we should listen to our bodies. If it knew what was best, then we would all be thin. I started running and my coach told me that when your body screams to stop, keep going. Because your body has a sense of homeostatic, it does not like change. You need to be in control. So if you are under eating, your slowing the metabolism and burning muscle. Your body thinks that is okay and it will make you crave it. You got to push your body to do what is best for it.
The last thing you want to do is slow your metabolism. My mom did it and ended up losing her hair from malnutrition and then gained all the weight back.0 -
Maybe I wasn't clear..I don't starve myself by any means, and many days I go over my goal. I understand all of that stuff newfiend, but your post was very imformative!
What kinds of carbs do you eat and when? My nutritionist had me (and this is what was working) eating Eggs and turkey bacon for breakfast. I would have string cheese, yogurt, any veggie or sugarfree jellos for snacks. Salads with meat on them, lots of plain lunch meat, tuna with pickles in them or chicken breasts broiled for lunch...dinner would be a lot like lunch-sometimes a broiled cheese burger...and my treat was plain peanut butter. Once I added in whole grains and fruits Fa-get it...stuck. And I feel like the whole grain wheat bread is making me crave more carbs...I am still drinking lotza water and working out..I did 13 days of the shred insted of the gym but I am a single mom and my kids were drivinge insane during it so it wasn't enjoyable anymore AND my oldest who is four would ask to go to the gym everyday..my baby was literally takeling me everyting I was on the ground during the shred or crawling under me when I was trying to do push ups...so I've gone back to the gym. I got an HRM but i'm not really impressed. What kind is a good kind? This one wont even read my HR sometimes.0 -
Change your mindset ...In my opinion this is the point where possibly in the past you have reached and failed because of not changing your mindset and thoughts on weight loss. You know that one day when your new lifestyle goes to heck and then you find yourself two years later back at square one?....its like our inner demons i guess...Eat the peanut butter lol if its on your mind and you have allotted calories I say eat it..for me sticking with a set caloric goal has always worked along with listening to my body if Im hungry I eat but I make better choices ....and in order to do that you have to have them available dont get stuck choosing between oreos and doritos u know.....i dont think your at a plateau i think your possibly just bored with the current routine..so change it up a bit skip the treadmill and take a stroll..dont worry about the burn not being the same etc.....I did get a little confused on your post ....regarding the ammonia question ...if your smelling Ammonia the talk to your doctor to confirm. question number 2 is a tricky one I dont think any one person or sight has the miracle weight loss calculations or advice..from my experience people mix it up they find out what works for them some eat a portion of the calories from exercising and some eat all and some eat none...do whats best for you day by day if your hungry eat them if not dont....if a little snack will do make it a nice one.....I dont personally make it my goal to eat carbs before working out because they raise my bloos sugar which in turn makes me sluggish *diabetic*...so I get tired and the workout becomes hard ....I would suggest protein like that peanut butter your craving or some nuts and cheese..*not those plastic processed slices*.....good luck and whatever you do dont give up and dont let anyone tell you that you "have' to do things a certain way to become a success..listen to your body and talk with a nutritionist/dietician even if you only see the nutritionist once ..if you choose a good one he or she will fill you up with so much knowledge to last you a year. MFP is a site just like most it suggest a way to lose weight and become healthy but we have to add in our own things I believe and make the program work for us as individuals........also if the bread isnt working out for you drop it and try it back in a few months if you just have to have it.0
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Q1.) Ammonia smell: When your body does NOT have sugars (carbs) to burn, it burns fats. Fats need to be converted to carbs first, then they get used. When fats are not available (or being converted fast enough) your body looks for proteins (muscle) and breaks that down for energy. This can lead to an ammonia by product due to the breakdown of amino acids.
Q2.) Eat back your work out calories: ONLY if you want to maintain your weight. To loose weight, take into consideration all intake and all expenditure of calories. Make sure your NET calories used are LESS than total taken in. Try not to over do it so you don't go into starvation mode.
Q3.) Carbs before working out: Answer is in Q1. If you have enough carbs, your system will use those for energy. However, this is not necessarily the best thing to do. Lots of body builders take in protein drinks before or after working out. That way, if your body uses up all carbs, is not breaking down fats fast enough, it will use these 'free' proteins and not attack muscle.
The reason the protein diets work is because your body is having to convert the fats to carbs to keep your body going, so you see weight decreases. There can be some problems with diets like these long term, namely increased cholesterol levels, liver and kidney problems, and some nutritional deficiencies. Short term may be OK, but would not consider this for a lifetime.
I have to agree with Newfiedan: the MOST IMPORTANT THING:LOG EVERYTHING!!!! Weigh your food, count each item, etc. People sometimes under estimate calories, or forget to add one or two things and think that it's OK. There are many things out there that have so many calories, that just a little will have a big impact. Alcohol is one of those things, AND most of the time you snack with drinks...more calories in that you think. LOG ALL WORKOUTS. A calorie measuring watch is a great tool.
I work out soo much some days that I literally can NOT eat that many calories. However, I increase my intake, and am doing multiple snacks. Still falling below my goal, but not letting my body starve. Today is one of those days: The 2000 calorie work out I did would have me eating insane amounts. So I get to splurge a bit and not worry too much.
DO NOT weigh yourself daily. Instead 1 to 2 times per week in the same manner each time (i.e. Monday and Thursday morning after shower or any other routine.) Your wt. will fluctuate daily, it's long term loss that you are looking for.
The more you do an exercise, the better/more proficient your body gets at doing it, and the less calories it spends doing the same amount of work. Change up your exercises. If you do threadmill weeks 1 -3, swim or bike week 4 (different muscle groups used), then go back to threadmill week 5-7, etc. Pick exercises that you enjoy. I hike and bike and love both.
Don't get discouraged due to occassional weight gain. Life takes many directions, just keep working at going in the direction you want. Eat to live, don't live to eat.0 -
Tiggerrick you obviously totally misunderstood how mfp is setup, according to you I should not have lost a single pound if your answer to number 2 is correct, I have dropped 31 effortlessly, mfp is setup with the deficit needed for weight loss BUILT IN, god I swear that 70% of ppl on here are super dense on this point, read my frigging post earlier it explains it crystal clear. You do not need any exercise to create a deficit with mfp unless you are on maintenance level. So if you set yourself to 0 weight loss (maintenance) then yes do not eat back your workout cals to shed weight, if you are setup to lose weight on your goal the goddamn deficit is BUILT IN with NO EXERCISE REQUIRED!0
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Not what I meant. I did understand the built in wt. loss with mfp. What I meant is in general: If NET calories in vs out is zero, wt. should not change. mfp builds in the number so that the NET is negative, thus causing wt. loss.0
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my net cals almost always = my daily goal of 1940, my net is 1940 almost every day and I consistently lose 1 pound or more a week.0
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That's your daily goal in mfp which, as you said, has built in wt. loss which in reality = a negative NET calorie intake.0
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correct, but for those whom misunderstand how things are setup here we need to be crystal clear on it lol, I am glad that you understand it and know what it means.0
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