Desperate diet help-Doctors are not being helpful

Here is the back story:

September 14th I had blood drawn because I was trying to figure out why I am not losing weight. I have done everything under the sun to lose weight(weight loss programs, strict diet and exercise, and meeting with trainers). The doctor at that time prescribed me phentermine(please do not go on a rant about this because this is not what my post is about). The next day I get my result from the blood test which shows that my triglyceride levels are off the charts. My level is 1611 and my good cholesterol is low. My doctor from that day on has kept me on phen as well as 4000mg of fish oil. I tried to call to get what my diet should be. They never called me back so I was advised to do the Keto diet which I did. On October 16 I had my second appointment and have lost 20lbs. But the doctor said I needed to completely stop the Keto diet and try something new.

They really didn't give me any specifics other than eat lean proteins and low fat. I told her I needed more specifics because she gave me a long list of what not to eat but nothing on to what I can eat.

I've been suggested protein powder diet which I'm not sure what that is? I need recommendations. Please....

Thank you!

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  • LeslieTSUK
    LeslieTSUK Posts: 215 Member
    sending ya a private message :)
    have had same problems with the medical professionals in past
  • Commander_Keen
    Commander_Keen Posts: 1,179 Member
    Ray,
    did the doctors say why you needed to stop Keto?
    A protein powder diet is just that, instead of meat and fish to use a powder instead and again why?

    Question: What is your goal? What is it you want to accomplish?
    Statement: if meeting with trainers and weight loss programs are not working then go to a class, Kick boxing, boxing, or swimming. Something that moves your entire body

    Congrats on losing the 20lbs
  • Francl27
    Francl27 Posts: 26,371 Member
    Without more specifics, hard to say. I'd suggest going to see a dietitian. Doctors are typically clueless about diet advice anyway.

    But you say you've tried everything to lose weight... have you counted calories? A lot of people think they are eating well but they are just eating too much of 'healthy' food. Anyway, at the top off my head I'd say - eat oatmeal, lean meats, lots of veggies, nuts.
  • LeonCX
    LeonCX Posts: 862 Member
    edited October 2014
    Your Doctor is incompetent. Not necessarily for prescribing Phentermine, but for not knowing that Phentermine can raise blood triglyceride levels. Talk to your pharmacist, and have them advise your doctor.
  • Francl27
    Francl27 Posts: 26,371 Member
    LeonCX wrote: »
    Your Doctor is incompetent. Not necessarily for prescribing Phentermine, but for not knowing that Phentermine can raise blood triglyceride levels. Talk to your pharmacist, and have them advise your doctor.

    Yeah it's the first thing I thought of... that your medicine is messing up your trigs.
  • hortensehildegarde
    hortensehildegarde Posts: 592 Member
    edited October 2014
    and this is why I don't bother to go to regular doctors. What horrible advice (or rather, lack thereof).

    I'd want to know the reason for the suggestion on eating "low fat"? Does that mean avoid fried chicken or does that mean no steak, only skinless chicken breast and fish.

    I like a rotation of steak, pork, fish, chicken breast prepared in a way that adds zero calories to the meat along with veg- carrot, broccoli, brussels sprouts, asparagus, cabbage, cauliflower, zucchini, etc etc. with maybe a bit of EVOO to roast the veg.

    Does that count as low fat? Cause it is delicious and keeps me full better than most things.

    I wouldn't understand the reason for the protein powder diet when you can just eat protein instead?

    Maybe look around at a few diaries to see what people are eating that is not on your "list" and see what looks like it fits into your calorie goal and you might like to eat.

    How many calories a day did your doctor tell you to eat?

    ETA: how many calories a day were you eating on keto when you lost the 20 lbs? I'm wondering if you weren't just eating in deficit and that's the reason for the 20 lb loss, not much to do with the keto itself.
  • Navtendon
    Navtendon Posts: 168
    This is a failure of the health care system as a whole, which I unfortunately get to see every day. Your story isn't an exception, this is practically the rule. I'm really sorry you have to go through this.

    If your current doctor isn't a dedicated lipid specialist I would try to go see one, but even then, there is no guarantee that a lipid specialist won't take the same approach as your current doctor. But your odds are a bit better than what you are facing now. I would also see a nutritionist so you can be presented with more options, but again, no guarantees.

    Can you go into specifics on what exactly your Keto diet entails?

    My advice would be to read up on as much as you can (if you haven't already) so that you know what questions to ask these health professionals so that you can do your best at screening them.

    A high triglyceride level (as well as VLDL production) in western society is increasingly being linked to excess carbohydrate intake, especially grains. Counterintuitively, dietary fat intake is not significantly contributory to triglyceride levels.

    As well, a low HDL (your good cholesterol which you said was low), can actually be boosted by ketosis if done correctly, as well as saturated fat intake, a lot of which is in whole natural foods. Some types of exercise have been shown to boost HDL as well.

    That's why I was asking about your Keto diet. Depending on what version of that diet you have tried, a primal/paleo diet is not a far stretch and may be strikingly similar. Primal/paleo if done properly is definitely worth the try if you are worried about your lipid profile as this can be a life saver. I would look into that and find a nutritionist that is comfortable with current evidence against dietary grain intake.
  • libbydoodle11
    libbydoodle11 Posts: 1,351 Member
    I am confused because you ticker says that you have lost 20 pounds. How long has it been since you have lost any weight? It could be any number of things holding you back. I say look into other medical opinions and take a look at what is in your kitchen. Seek out a diet that you can live with in the long term.
  • bwogilvie
    bwogilvie Posts: 2,130 Member
    rayki818 wrote: »
    ...I tried to call to get what my diet should be. They never called me back so I was advised to do the Keto diet which I did....

    They really didn't give me any specifics other than eat lean proteins and low fat. I told her I needed more specifics because she gave me a long list of what not to eat but nothing on to what I can eat.

    I've been suggested protein powder diet which I'm not sure what that is?...

    It's not clear from your post who suggested the keto diet and protein powder diet. As I read it, your doctor's office never called back the first time, and didn't provide a diet the second time. But both times, you say "I was advised" and "I've been suggested" particular diets.

    Where do those suggestions come from, and why do you think they're reliable?
  • shaumom
    shaumom Posts: 1,003 Member
    Just in total agreement with everyone here, really - doctors have no clue on diet. Medical school doesn't typically even require one entire CLASS on nutrition. It's usually a few chapters worth of nutritional information. There are good odds that you've already done more research into diet, trying to figure this out, than your doctor has in his career. :-/
  • lisabinco
    lisabinco Posts: 1,016 Member
    Francl27 wrote: »
    Without more specifics, hard to say. I'd suggest going to see a dietitian. Doctors are typically clueless about diet advice anyway.
    Agree. Doctors are NOT nutritionists. Ditch the pills. Educate yourself on what is best for your body -- with HEALTH as top priority and weight loss as an adjunct to your optimal health.

  • Navtendon
    Navtendon Posts: 168
    shaumom wrote: »
    Just in total agreement with everyone here, really - doctors have no clue on diet. Medical school doesn't typically even require one entire CLASS on nutrition. It's usually a few chapters worth of nutritional information. There are good odds that you've already done more research into diet, trying to figure this out, than your doctor has in his career. :-/

    True. We had less than a few hours on nutrition and it was all outdated stuff: CICO, avoid saturated fats, eat lots healthy whole grains, etc.
  • Navtendon
    Navtendon Posts: 168
    Navtendon wrote: »
    shaumom wrote: »
    Just in total agreement with everyone here, really - doctors have no clue on diet. Medical school doesn't typically even require one entire CLASS on nutrition. It's usually a few chapters worth of nutritional information. There are good odds that you've already done more research into diet, trying to figure this out, than your doctor has in his career. :-/

    True. We had less than a few hours on nutrition and it was all outdated stuff: CICO, avoid saturated fats, eat lots healthy whole grains, etc.

    Which is why I never think "go see your doctor" is necessarily the best idea when you are trying to look for general lifestyle advice. We are taught to tell the patient incredibly outdated information that is actually now suspected to cause the diseases we are trying to prevent.

    Sure, some doctors keep abreast of current literature in lifestyle topics but they are a vast minority. And u can't tell by their diplomas or waiting room posters.
  • lorib642
    lorib642 Posts: 1,942 Member
    I don't have answers but I am with you on the frustration. I get different answers from different people and i am not sure what to follow. My dr is doing follow up blood tests and I am going to ask more questions when I get those results.
  • Thank you all for the recommendations and questions. I will respond to each of you here:)

    Commander_kee- The doctor doesn't want me to do a Keto diet because of the High Fat content. She thinks it will be hindering my levels by battling fat with fat. My goal is to be a weight that I can sustain and not have to undergo a lipid treatment. The weight loss program was strictly diet and exercise. I attended three intense workouts every other day from boxing, strength class, and spinning class. As well as 3 of the days strickly cardio/strength lower days. The program focused on clean eating and exercise with no added supplements. We had meetings with nutritionist for dietary needs. At that point I had no idea of my triglyceride levels. Thank you!!

    FrancI27- I have tried counting calories. I have tried counting calories towards what my daily needs are to the exercise that I had/have been doing. I'm trying to see a dietician that could be seen through my insurance at the moment. The phentermine was not prescribed prior to my tests. I will be discontinuing the phentermine a month before my blood retest.

    LeonCX- She is putting me on phentermine until a month before my blood test. I am aware of side affects. I have been monitoring my bp and pulse closely but I will talk to a pharmacist and hopefully a dietitian soon.

    Horten- I was eating around 1200-1534 calories per day. My normal calories that I eat per day were around 1700 before I started this current diet. The 20lbs I believe is due to the excessive carb cut. I did not realize how many carbs I was eating prior to starting Keto. I used Ketostix which was a huge help to let me know that I was in ketosis. She did not set me up with a specific calorie amount. I'm definatly looking around to see what other people are eating as well. I cannot do the "low fat" foods because they are almost always packed with preservatives or sugars.

    Navtendon- I will look into the paleo as well. My keto levels were 5% carbs, 15% protein, 80% fats. I'm trying to look into a nutritionist/dietician

    Libbydoodle- I lost my final 2lbs to make up the 20lbs on my doctors appointment which was on October 16th. Since then I have lost .5lbs. My cabinets/fridge are pretty well all non processed, organic, and carb free. I have been on keto for a month so everything has been cleared out that isn't healthy.

    bwog- I have a family member who has the same problems (triglyceride level is related to hereditary as far as I know 4 family members have this problem) has been doing Keto for 5 months and has lost 80lbs and lowered his levels. He has been giving me suggestions since I got the news about the levels.

    shaumom-I really probably have. I've been looking into this since the day I got the news.

    lisabinco- the phentermine was my final option. To even see a doctor was my final option. I needed help and guidance with what is going on with my body as diet and exercise alone is not working yet.

    Lorib- Thank you! Yes if my levels don't go down by December they are sending me to a lipid specialist that will pull all the fat out of my blood and put that same blood back in without the fat in it.

    I will be getting off the phentermine soon but as for now I am going to continue with them until I can see a dietitian. I spent 8 weeks doing 3 a day workout classes for 3 days and the other 3 days was cardio/strength. My diet was on point with what the nutritionist had set for me. He had just set my calories and not looked at my individual needs because they did not assess my blood work. It was included with the weight loss challenge. I met with the trainers almost every week to show my food options. They thought everything was great and I should have been losing weight and my body should have been changing like everyone else. I had only lost 7lbs while everyone else lost 30-50lbs. My health has always been my main priority and if I do not lose the weight my lipids are going to kill me. I'm not worried about the number on the scale I'm worried about if I don't lose the fat that is in my body I am going to die. I may not die today but I can get heart disease easily, have a stroke, or heart attack. I monitor my blood pressure a couple of times a day because of the side affects of phentermine. I have been trying to lose for 7 years. I do understand people opinion of phentermine, I really do but that is solely my option to take them.
  • lorib642
    lorib642 Posts: 1,942 Member
    I have never heard of that procedure. I hope your levels improve
  • WalkingAlong
    WalkingAlong Posts: 4,926 Member
    I don't think there have been that many great breakthroughs in nutritional science that haven't hit the New York Times.

    The general medical and health communities' eating recommendations are out there, we all know them. I just don't think there is a lot of individualization they can do, assuming you're not suffering from something common like anemia or lactose intolerance or food allergies.

    If it's weight loss you need, lean protein and low fat is as good a thing to try as any. Are you saying you don't know what foods would qualify? Lean meat, eggs, lowfat dairy and plants, basically.

    Here's some ideas about addressing high triglycerides:
    http://www.webmd.com/cholesterol-management/ss/slideshow-triglyceride-foods-to-avoid

    You lost 20 lbs. in a month of keto? Wow.