"Cheat Meals" - Are they ever okay?
itsMcKay
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I know this gets asked a lot - I'M SORRY!!! - but I've just returned to the site and never could figure out how I felt on the matter. Plus, new users arrive everyday so maybe all the noobs will be interested in beating this dead horse with me.
About once a week I feel the overwhelming desire to go wacky on one meal and scarf like 1500 calories in one sitting. My daily net goal is 1200 so, logically, I know this kills my effort for the day. Emotionally, I feel like I need it for my sanity. And, right now, I would KILL for a big ol' bowl of homemade creamy potato soup. I made it last night and it's screaming at me from the fridge. I'll get a 500-calorie burn in at the gym and immediately after that have 5 hours of work to do (seated, at home) so I just wanna work out, scarf, work, sleep. It will ultimately, when all is said and done with today's calories, equal eating at maintenance so zero loss, zero gain.
Is there any way to rationalize a cheat meal without totally stalling my weight loss efforts? Or is it just thermodynamics whether we like it or not?
Thoughts?
About once a week I feel the overwhelming desire to go wacky on one meal and scarf like 1500 calories in one sitting. My daily net goal is 1200 so, logically, I know this kills my effort for the day. Emotionally, I feel like I need it for my sanity. And, right now, I would KILL for a big ol' bowl of homemade creamy potato soup. I made it last night and it's screaming at me from the fridge. I'll get a 500-calorie burn in at the gym and immediately after that have 5 hours of work to do (seated, at home) so I just wanna work out, scarf, work, sleep. It will ultimately, when all is said and done with today's calories, equal eating at maintenance so zero loss, zero gain.
Is there any way to rationalize a cheat meal without totally stalling my weight loss efforts? Or is it just thermodynamics whether we like it or not?
Thoughts?
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I sometimes "bank" unused food calories and exercise calories from the past six days, and use them on the 7th day for a special treat. But I don't call it cheating.0
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You're going to get a lot of different responses to this. Most will say to just fit that creamy potato soup into your daily macros so it won't be a 'cheat'. Some will say they they have regular cheat days - but many of those people also come on these boards and complain about how they aren't losing weight....some folks never have a cheat day and manage to fit all their favorite goodies into their diet somehow.
If you really want something, my advice would be to log it correctly and move on just like any other day.0 -
If you goal is 1200 net for the day, one 1500 calorie meal isn't going to derail anything, as long as you aren't doing it every day. Chances are, if you look at your calorie intake over the week, then spread that 1500 calories out, you'll still be averaging out at a caloric deficit (I can't math, so don't expect any more of an explanation than that).
Back when I tracked my calories, I would track each day, then use a spreadsheet to track my calories over the week, purposely eating a bit less Monday - Friday to allow me to loosen the reins on Saturday and Sunday. If I hadn't done it that way, I don't think I would have had half the success I have.0 -
Just do your calories weekly and then fit the soup in with the other sacrifices you make during the week or do 5-10 mins more exercise a day. People dont like the use of the word cheat, because it gives the impression you are doing something wrong. Its your diet. You know how much you need to maintain and how much deficit you need to generate for your weight loss, so just fit in in if you wnat the meal and to still make progress.
One other aspect is if you need it to let off steam and keep your sanity then it becomes very importnat for you in the long run.0 -
I'd say if it keeps you sane, keeps you from falling off the wagon, then do it. I've had some of my most effective weight loss while still allowing cheat days every once in a while. Just track what you do eat so you don't lose the habit.0
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Usually once a week I'll eat something I wouldn't normally eat. On Sunday, we went to my parents house for home made lasagna. I'm assuming there was at least 900 calories in the lasagna alone. I fit it into my 1400 calories and went to the gym before we headed to town. Ever so often you can do that! If you plan ahead it won't be as big of a deal.
Say, HEY. Tomorrow I want potato soup. So plan your food out for the day today and put the soup in. You can fit it around!0 -
Whilst the odd day of going over calories won't suddenly make you gain weight, I think the idea of 'cheating' promotes a mindset of extremes. I think you should just eat what you like in moderation, balance is key.0
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Hey, I am relatively new to this site and one of the reasons why I like it (not sure if it's working or not, lost two pounds gained one back so I may not be the best adviser) but the reason I like it is that I don't feel deprived. I am Latina and I like Latin food and that stuff is anything but healthy, however this app has helped with portion control and being able to plan ahead. So if you are craving a burger, HAVE THE DAMNED BURGER. Then eat light the rest of the day. I try to have small breakfasts when we have pizza parties at work, for example. Still trying to figure out what to eat when I;m going to drink because alcohol has a lot of cals but If I don't eat I'll get trashed quick.
I say PLAN IT. if you are craving junk, have small size whatever, try to skip the soda or have seltzer water and then eat salad the rest of the day. If you already ate too much for one day. Then save the junk for the next day or work out for longer. Make up for the junk. I think feeling deprived would just make you unhappy and push you to eat more.0 -
I love good food so being able to splurge is necessary for my sanity. Have you considered trying out healthier versions of your favorites?0
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Thanks, everyone, for the replies.
Velum_cado, your logic makes perfect sense to me about it averaging out to still be a deficit and that's how I've always thought about it. Plus, there are a few days where I work out a ton and can't eat back all my exercise calories so my net is like 900 cals.
I did want to clarify, I certainly eat whatever I want while managing portions. I'm not depriving myself of anything. I'm just a bottomless pit and could eat 3 lbs. of food in one sitting. And, sometimes, I want that food to be creamy potato MFing soup! lol
That's why I like things like broccoli mixed with egg whites with some seasonings on top. I can eat a ton of it! haha ;p0 -
Thermodynamics. It'll only derail you if you've eliminated your calorie deficit.0
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Depends on what you consider a cheat but I once tried a 6 days good, one day cheat method because it worked well for a friend but I found it sent me into a cheating spiral. One day turned into 3 or 5 days and totally derailed me! Since starting a ketogenic diet, I haven't felt the need for cheat days anymore and haven't cheated since starting 2 months ago really and subsequently dropped 25 lbs. I say if it works for you and doesn't throw you into longer term binge eating, go for it, but if it does, cut it out!0
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I have to be careful with the idea of "cheat" meals or days because I have a tendency to try and justify more and more of them and then give up on my goals completely....I have yet to do that while using MFP, but every other attempt to lose weight and get in shape has ended up this way.
Logging everything, even my screw ups, has kept me honest and helps me see what I can and cannot get away with. It has helped keep me exercising more too because if I want to eat a delicious dinner of my regular, favorite foods, I had better burn some of what I have already eaten that day to allow room for it. Utilizing this site has made me think more logically about what I eat and when. Like I said, it has kept me honest.
So have that potato soup....just make sure you eat a little less the day before and the day after while continuing to exercise, and you will be just fine!!0 -
What has helped me most and gotten me past my plateau and on to finally living a healthy life is no longer thinking of anything as a cheat meal or cheat day.
Instead, I increased my daily caloric intake, while still eating at a deficit. This enables me to enjoy all the foods I love while still staying within my calorie goals. Now I no longer have to feel like I'm cheating on anything, because there is nothing to cheat on. This is just my new healthier life now.
Good luck to you!0 -
I have relatively a lot of cheat days, but you and I may define cheat days differently. For me, it's not a full on binge, or a free for all... but once in a while I'll let myself go a little over, or I'll have a special treat on top of my usual calorie amount.
Yesterday was my birthday, and I had a lot of plans, so I didn't track. I didn't go nuts, I didn't stuff my face... but I did have some bacon with my usual toast & eggs breakfast, and I had a big-ish (but healthy) meal out, and I had a piece of pie from my favorite bakery at the end of the day. This morning, though, I did my best at entering all the food I ate yesterday, and while I didn't maintain my planned deficit, I did end up eating about at maintenance for the day. Overall, I only ended up about 400 calories over what I usually eat, and most of what I ate was pretty healthy.
A day like that, once in a while, will not derail progress much at all... theoretically, I'll reach my goal weight one day later than I otherwise would have because of how I ate yesterday. (If only we could track so precisely!) I really don't advocate for binge days, though. There's a difference, in my mind, between a treat or a cheat and a binge.0 -
I don't like cheat meals because I have no will power so the meal will become a day, then a week, then "screw it, I'll make it my New Years Resolution...AGAIN!!!"0
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It completely depends on you, how you define "cheat meal", how you set up your diary, your deficits and your goals. It also matters what your TDEE is and how your MFP goal lines up. You can go over your MFP daily goal without damaging your overall goal but it is dependent on how much cushion room you have, someone else called it bank.
My burn is around 2120 cals per day. I eat between 1600 and 1900 calories most days because my goal is to lose 1/2 to 1 lb per week. Some days I splurge on calories, some days are lighter days. The range takes the pressure off for me. Its actually not called a bad day in my books until I hit 2500 cal intake. I can recover from a 2500 cal day as long as it doesn't happen too often. This lets me go for coffee with coworkers, or order a pizza on a Friday night without putting myself into a downward spiral of self-hatred or shame. If you can build a framework that allows for cheat meals and continued weight loss, then do it.0 -
I am also in the camp that there is no such thing as a cheat day. When life starts to kick my *kitten* I will set my calories to maintenance and hold off on the losing for a week or so until I'm not as hectic. Then I set back to my 1lb a week loss. I'm trying to get healthy not stress myself out over losing weight. Being fat is unhealthy but so is being stressed out. I'm in this for the long run.0
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As long as you are progressing over the long run, of course they are OK.0
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Personally, I don't think calling food a "cheat" is a good idea. That implies it's something bad or naughty, and there's all sorts of emotions attached to that. It's just a meal. It's a meal that has more calories than your average meal. Maybe it has more fat, more sugar, more whatever than you usually eat. But it's still just a meal. Eating it won't derail or negate any progress you've made. It will only delay reaching your goal, and depending on the size of the meal, probably only by a day or two.
Just keep in mind that when you go over your calorie allotment, that does cause a delay in achieving your goal. So obviously, you wouldn't want to do it every day. But if you think of it more in terms of "time til goal is reached" than "good" and "bad" then it's a much healthier and more rational approach.0 -
SnuggleSmacks wrote: »Personally, I don't think calling food a "cheat" is a good idea. That implies it's something bad or naughty, and there's all sorts of emotions attached to that. It's just a meal. It's a meal that has more calories than your average meal. Maybe it has more fat, more sugar, more whatever than you usually eat. But it's still just a meal. Eating it won't derail or negate any progress you've made. It will only delay reaching your goal, and depending on the size of the meal, probably only by a day or two.
Just keep in mind that when you go over your calorie allotment, that does cause a delay in achieving your goal. So obviously, you wouldn't want to do it every day. But if you think of it more in terms of "time til goal is reached" than "good" and "bad" then it's a much healthier and more rational approach.
^This. I just look at is as a "F*$k it, I'm not gonna log all my food" day. However, from a psychological standpoint, a "cheat" day (if you must call it that), is extremely beneficial.0 -
ajalcazar84 wrote: »I don't like cheat meals because I have no will power so the meal will become a day, then a week, then "screw it, I'll make it my New Years Resolution...AGAIN!!!"
this has been me for the past 7 years
HOWEVER... i find that when i let myself have a cheat weekend (2 days), i gain like 4 pounds back. granted it's all salt and water, however it still sucks for morale. i think if i have a cheat meal or just a cheat day, i'm okay. in fact, when it's just that, i find i'm a pound or two lighter when i weight myself the next day. however it's how YOUR body works. some people can binge on all the food they want for a weekend and take it off in one workout. some people can't. it's whatever your body can handle. play around and test yourself and see how your body reacts to a cheat meal/day/weekend.0 -
I've changed my mentality from "oh well, I've indulged in something massively unhealthy, I may as well eat what I like to the rest of the day/week" to putting myself back on the right path as soon as the next meal, as opposed to the next day, or as we've all done: "i'll start again on Monday." That's worked for me so far.
By the sounds of it you're working hard at the gym, so if as you say, nothing is gained, that's perfectly fine.0 -
I don't do "cheat meals" unless I'm celebrating something significant. It needs to be a vacation, a holiday, or my own birthday/anniversary for me to really indulge. I like it that way.0
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do what you will.
but my opinion on the matter is why do you need a cheat meal in the first place? if you want to eat potato soup then eat potato soup. surely its not 1500 calories for a bowl of soup?
if you are talking about gorging yourself well than thats not really taking care of yourself thats well...gorging. and deeper questions need be answered imo, like whats driving you to not take care of yourself?0 -
when you allow yourself to just have it. you will release the need to go overboard on a so called "Cheat day/meal"0
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Of course they are okay, they are just not okay for everyone.
There is no right and wrong if you are achieving your goals. Some people like to eat lower calories some days and look forward to a high calorie day. And if that method helps them stay on track, then it's fine.
Some prefer to stay on track every day. And if that method helps them stay on track, then it's fine.0 -
enterdanger wrote: »I am also in the camp that there is no such thing as a cheat day. When life starts to kick my *kitten* I will set my calories to maintenance and hold off on the losing for a week or so until I'm not as hectic. Then I set back to my 1lb a week loss. I'm trying to get healthy not stress myself out over losing weight. Being fat is unhealthy but so is being stressed out. I'm in this for the long run.
That's really good advice. It's something I'll be able to bring myself to do once I get a few dozen of these lbs. gone.
As far as people telling me not to call it a cheat meal, that's just language. Call it what you want or call it nothing at all. I log everything, whether I've been able to stay on track or not.
To beamer0821's point: I just like to eat. I like food and I don't easily feel full. My boyfriend is a chef and I cook and bake a lot at home. We go out to eat on dates and love trying new things. We enjoy food. It's not some psychological disorder. I just stopped working out so I got fat. Now I'm working out again and losing weight. Not everyone who likes food, even in larger quantities than you might, is dealing with some emotional problem needing therapy. ;p
I'm taking great care of myself. I just have to remember I can't eat like my thin boyfriend who's 6" taller than me and can't seem to gain a pound. And, if I do, I have to hit the gym a little longer that day. That's all.
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