every food group is "bad for you"!

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  • JazzFischer1989
    JazzFischer1989 Posts: 531 Member
    Since I can't win anyway, I just do as I please.
  • NoelFigart1
    NoelFigart1 Posts: 1,276 Member
    Good research and scientific method doesn't sell magazines and products.
  • coruscatti
    coruscatti Posts: 81
    edited November 2014
    TheDevastator wrote: »
    There are truths to some of the things you said.
    Nuts, legumes and grains should be soaked to remove phytic acid.
    Eating a lot of dairy say 20% of your diet was shown to likely cause cancer but 5% was fine.
    Soy is estrogenic, disrupts hormones and I believe it shouldn't be eaten unless fermented.
    There is nothing wrong with gluten if you don't have a sensitivity.

    For optimum health you should eat fruits and vegetables, fish, grass fed meat, organic eggs, soaked beans, soaked nuts, soaked grains, and soaked seeds.

    Do you know how long I would have to soak them for? Overnight? And at room temp or in the refrigerator? Also wouldn't it make them soggy/more prone to mold?
  • coruscatti
    coruscatti Posts: 81
    EatsNotTreats wrote: »
    Your research has just talked you into a paleo/primal diet. I'm thankful the same thing happened to me years ago and I have no intention of looking back.

    Nope, not for me! I love pasta and other "evil" gluten-containing foods, and I love dairy, and I am mostly vegetarian and not even that big a fan of meat. If I had to be paleo I would cry!

    I guess what I'm more concerned about is, what is the border between "moderation" and "too much" when it comes to eating dairy/nuts/legumes on a daily basis?
  • segacs
    segacs Posts: 4,599 Member
    Jackie Mason has a great comedy sketch about this:

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=3CXfXwhk4ig
  • TheDevastator
    TheDevastator Posts: 1,626 Member
    coruscatti wrote: »
    Do you know how long I would have to soak them for? Overnight? And at room temp or in the refrigerator? Also wouldn't it make them soggy/more prone to mold?
    http://www.weedemandreap.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/soak_nuts.jpg
    Room temp or in the refrigerator are both fine. They should be drained are rinsed after.
  • coruscatti
    coruscatti Posts: 81
    edited November 2014
    TheDevastator wrote: »
    http://www.weedemandreap.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/soak_nuts.jpg
    Room temp or in the refrigerator are both fine. They should be drained are rinsed after.

    Do I have to soak and sprout? Or just soak?

    They will still be good to keep at room temp for several hours after sprouting, whatever that means? Because portability and nonperishability is really the main draw of nuts for me.

    Also if they do deplete iron levels, then why are legumes listed as being rich in iron? And if all it takes to get rid of this chemical is soaking, why aren't they all commercially prepared that way?

    Also I'm assuming I should do this within a couple of days of when I plan to eat them, right?
  • TheDevastator
    TheDevastator Posts: 1,626 Member
    coruscatti wrote: »
    TheDevastator wrote: »
    http://www.weedemandreap.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/soak_nuts.jpg
    Room temp or in the refrigerator are both fine. They should be drained are rinsed after.

    Do I have to soak and sprout? Or just soak?

    They will still be good to keep at room temp for several hours after sprouting, whatever that means? Because portability and nonperishability is really the main draw of nuts for me.

    Also if they do deplete iron levels, then why are legumes listed as being rich in iron? And if all it takes to get rid of this chemical is soaking, why aren't they all commercially prepared that way?

    Also I'm assuming I should do this within a couple of days of when I plan to eat them, right?
    Soak only if you just want to remove the phytic acid.
    If you want to store soaked nuts after you can put them in a dehydrator to dry them or the oven at a low temp although this will cook the enzymes.
    The phytic acid will bind with some nutrients but you still should get some iron.
    Time is money. There are some that are soaked and/or sprouted but they are much more expensive.
  • amusedmonkey
    amusedmonkey Posts: 10,330 Member
    We need someone to invent a dairy/soy/nut/meat/fructose/gluten/nightshade/phytic acid/GMO/sugar/aspartame/msg.. etc free, 0 carb, 0 fat, low calorie food with no chemicals or preservatives added or any contamination.

    Just eat whatever you want. If you listen to everyone you will end up a breatharian.
  • cincysweetheart
    cincysweetheart Posts: 892 Member
    Fear mongering. And plain stupidity. And fad diets. Personally, I use my own common sense. And I refuse to listen to anybody that wants to tell me x,y, or z is bad. I don't share what I'm doing on FB for that reason. I don't need everybody's opinions on how I should be eating or people trying to sell me their latest "miracle" product. I keep my diary closed to everybody but my friends for that same reason. I don't need the general population of MFP making comments or judgments about how I'm eating. And if my friends started making judgments on my food diary, I'd close it to them too.
  • Charlottesometimes23
    Charlottesometimes23 Posts: 687 Member
    OP, you don't need to waste your time soaking. If you eat a reasonable diet, the effect of phytates is minimal, and they do have some positive benefits.

    Part of the conclusion from this article: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19774556

    Phytate in foods and significance for humans: food sources, intake, processing, bioavailability, protective role and analysis

    The inhibition of the intestinal metal absorption (by phytates), however, can be counteracted by many food compounds such as organic acids and complexing agents,
    ascorbic acid, food fermentation products, etc. competing with phytic acid in the binding of minerals and trace elements. Thus, it will be assumed that in well balanced diets the inhibitory effects of phytic acid is low and little evidence exist from nutritional surveys that in well nourished population groups dietary phytate may seriously effect the status of iron, zinc and calcium.

  • Foodanddiettips
    Foodanddiettips Posts: 3
    Eating in moderation and having a well balanced diet is the answer. Nevertheless, each food group (macro/micronutrients) has good parts and bad parts. Life should be lived to the fullest and not centered around these kind of details.
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