I am SO CONFUSED...Help
vmccauley1990
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I am new at this and need help understanding ( in SIMPLE terms please) I out in my weight and loss gaols of 2 lbs per week and i got 1710 calories as my goal. I am also doing Insanity to work out 6 days a week as well as 1 mile walk a day. So this is what i dont get...
I do my workout early evening, after already consuming usually around 700 calories from breakfast and lunch combined- then when i burn the 557 calories i usually do on a normal day this last week, it says i have 557 EXTRA calories. I ALWAYS stay under the 1710 calories, i usually only eat about 1400-1500 cal a day, but then minus the work outs, that can equal out to like only 1000 calories. Isnt that too little?? Should i ALWAYS eat the 1710? and when i work out do i minus that from there or do i eat extra?? i am so confused. Can anyone help??
I do my workout early evening, after already consuming usually around 700 calories from breakfast and lunch combined- then when i burn the 557 calories i usually do on a normal day this last week, it says i have 557 EXTRA calories. I ALWAYS stay under the 1710 calories, i usually only eat about 1400-1500 cal a day, but then minus the work outs, that can equal out to like only 1000 calories. Isnt that too little?? Should i ALWAYS eat the 1710? and when i work out do i minus that from there or do i eat extra?? i am so confused. Can anyone help??
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To use MFP as intended, you are meant to eat your exercise calories back.
That being said, MFP's exercise database is notoriously off, so you may want to just eat half of them back. If you're using a HRM or Fitbit, etc, you could probably just eat them all0 -
Personally, I don't eat back my calories burned unless I feel that I need to eat a bit. I think you'll find a calorie intake that you feel good about. If you lose appropriately then stay about there. If you are overly hungry, might add 200 calories a day here or there.
If your net calories are 1000 and you feel OK then stay there. Its all just a best guesstimate anyhow.
Its all just a lose starting place, not rocket science. Keep at it and see where you are in a few weeks. Then make adjustment if needed.
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I only eat back my calories if it drops be below about 1300 calories a day x0
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If you entered your stats, set 2 pounds a week as your goal, and MFP told you to eat 1710, here's what it did:
1. Calculated your maintenance calories (without exercise), based on age, gender, height, weight, and activity level at 2710 calories/day.
2. Looked at the fact that you want to lose 2 lb./week = deficit of 7000 calories/week = deficit of 1000 calories/day.
3. Subtracted 1000 from 2710 to get 1710.
In other words, your goal of 1710 already has the ambitious deficit of 1000 calories a day built in. Now say you exercise and burn 500 calories. Your daily deficit is now 1500 calories - that's huge, and would lead to 3 lb./week loss if you did that exercise every day. That's an unhealthy rate for all but the morbidly obese.
That's why the MFP method is to log exercise calories and "eat them back." Think of it as "refueling" yourself after exercise (though you can eat some of them before exercise; it's not quite like a car).
The trick is not overestimating calorie burn from exercise. Most entries in MFP's database exaggerate the burn, though walking and running aren't bad. Most machines exaggerate somewhat, too, though less than the database. So many people log only 50-75% of what the machine or database estimate.
Edited to add: note that all these numbers are estimates. You need to tweak them to fit your situation and your logging accuracy. In my first month on MFP, I had it set to 1.5 lb./week and really lost only 1.1 lb./week. I was happy with that, but it meant that somewhere in my estimates, I was missing 200 calories a day, probably a combination of underestimating calories eaten, overestimating calories burned, and my activity level falling between "sedentary" and "lightly active." I have since gotten more accurate, with 2 years' worth of data to analyze!0 -
vmccauley1990 wrote: »I am new at this and need help understanding ( in SIMPLE terms please) I out in my weight and loss gaols of 2 lbs per week and i got 1710 calories as my goal. I am also doing Insanity to work out 6 days a week as well as 1 mile walk a day. So this is what i dont get...
I do my workout early evening, after already consuming usually around 700 calories from breakfast and lunch combined- then when i burn the 557 calories i usually do on a normal day this last week, it says i have 557 EXTRA calories. I ALWAYS stay under the 1710 calories, i usually only eat about 1400-1500 cal a day, but then minus the work outs, that can equal out to like only 1000 calories. Isnt that too little?? Should i ALWAYS eat the 1710? and when i work out do i minus that from there or do i eat extra?? i am so confused. Can anyone help??
As said above calories earned on here for exercise are way too high in my opinion i only run at moment and my treadmill tells me calories burned and it was only 59 after 30 minutes of 90 second bursts of fast running and brisk walking0 -
Hey vmccauley1990
In order to answer this accurately there is a little bit more information that is needed if honest.
The most important question that needs answering is;
Are you using a Heart Rate Monitor to "ACCURATELY" tell you what your body is really doing? This includes calories consumed, average heart rate, peak heart rate and "genuine" time of activity. I don't mean to sound disparaging but the figures quoted for calorie burn, etc on MFP are way off at best - and normally less than actuals!
If the answer to the above is You are NOT using a HRM - can I strongly recommend that it is purchase that would serve you well, especially as you are taking your training seriously (Insanity 6 days a week is not to be scoffed at!).
If you are using a HRM then things may initially seem slightly more confusing as your calorific 'balance' will always seem to be huge. By that I mean you will probably never get to the point of being able to consume your daily allowance plus whatever you have 'earned' by doing your workouts minus what you have really consumed.
Here is the important part,
If you are still hungry after eating all of your meals and snacks and you have calories in the bank then you have a choice as to whether or not you consume them. I personally will never be able to eat my daily allowance plus whatever I earn a day (average of 1200 - 1300) minus what I actually eat. However that said, if I am hungry then I will eat more (wisely!). If I am feeling full then I will eat less, but I will eat less wisely too.
Ultimately - listen to your body. It will tell you if it needs fuel, equally it will tell you if you are not eating correctly when you next attempt an Insanity workout and realise you have 'nothing in the tank!'.
I personally use a Polar FT80 and find it invaluable in my training (bought off of fleabay for a hugely reduced price!). If you haven't got a HRM then eBay may be a friend!
I hope this helps.
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Bezman2110 wrote: »Are you using a Heart Rate Monitor to "ACCURATELY" tell you what your body is really doing? This includes calories consumed, average heart rate, peak heart rate and "genuine" time of activity. I don't mean to sound disparaging but the figures quoted for calorie burn, etc on MFP are way off at best - and normally less than actuals!
Heart rate monitors still give only estimates for everything except heart rate data; that includes calories consumed. Their estimates for calories are reasonably accurate (within 20%) for sustained, moderate to intense aerobic activity at a uniform intensity, and far less accurate for activities in which intensity varies frequently. They're next to useless for gentle exercise or everyday activity.
Firstbeat, Inc., claims that their proprietary algorithm produces accurate results (within 10% of indirect calorimetry) even for everyday activity and interval training, but I'm a little skeptical. And their algorithm is used in only a handful of higher-end HRMS (mostly from Garmin and Suunto).0 -
thanks everyone! so let me see if i understand correctly the concept (minus all the talk of a HRM, i dont have one but will invest in one now- thank you)
- So the 1710 calories "given:" to me here is what will make me loose 2 lbs a week, in thereory, without exercise? Because it gives me the deficit of 7000 a week that i would need to have for that to happen. so if i burn 500 calories and eat some back, i should still be on track for the 2 lb a week path?
- I get and assumed that MFP index of calories burned could be off that's partly why i never ate all 1710, just in case. but i wanted to make sure i wasn't "starving myself" by not eating enough calories which i have been told will slow down your loss, even though i am usually not too hungry. I have noticed the last few days, i am getting hungry shortly after dinner so i do snack responsibly on yogurt and fruit or something like that but i was worried if i ate all 1710 cals and what ever i burned ( which as i said i have never come close to but was worried in theory, if it happened) i would just MAINTAIN my weight. i wasn't sure how all the math and formulas for weight loss worked. I always thought that you count calories, stay under recommended amount, and the way you lost weight is if you burned MORE calories than you consumed. so in my head i though maybe if i ate a 400 calorie breakfast, i should burn 400 calories, then eat a 500 calorie lunch, then burn those calories. But the more i thought about that the more i realized then your body would have nothing to run off of right??
- BOTTOM LINE: If I Burn 500 Calories a Day, and eat all 500 back PLUS my allotted 1710, If all my numbers were correct, then the idea is i should still loose 2 lbs a week, right? But if I eat 1500 of the 1710 and still burn the 500, I am not harming my body by eating too little?0 -
vmccauley1990 wrote: »I have noticed the last few days, i am getting hungry shortly after dinner so i do snack responsibly on yogurt and fruit or something like that but i was worried if i ate all 1710 cals and what ever i burned ( which as i said i have never come close to but was worried in theory, if it happened) i would just MAINTAIN my weight. i wasn't sure how all the math and formulas for weight loss worked.
No, you wouldn't maintain, assuming that you set MFP up to lose 2 lbs a week, and that you didn't give MFP incorrect info about your current weight and non-exercise activity level. You could eat back all 557 calories from your estimated exercise burn and still lose a pound a week, even if the estimated exercise burn was off by a factor of 10 (i.e., you really only burned 55 calories, not 557) -- and I've never seen anybody claim that the MFP exercise estimates are off by that much. You wold not maintain. Again, assuming that you set it up for 2 lbs a week (which some other poster said you had, and you seemed to agree), you have a 1000 calories a day deficit built into 1710 calories budget, so eating back 557 exercise calories would still leave a 443 calorie deficit, event if you hadn't really "earned" any of those extra calories, and if you did the exercise you're logging, you certainly burned at least some of those extra calories.
But are you sure you set it up for 2 lbs a week loss? 2710 seems like an awfully high daily energy expenditure before exercise for a woman, unless you're very, very heavy and/or very/very active.
ETA: OK, I took a quick look at your profile, and with 70 lbs to lose and a toddler to run after, 2710 doesn't seem unreasonable as a daily non-exercise energy expenditure (NEET, but I cant remember what the T stands for).
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vmccauley1990 wrote: »- BOTTOM LINE: If I Burn 500 Calories a Day, and eat all 500 back PLUS my allotted 1710, If all my numbers were correct, then the idea is i should still loose 2 lbs a week, right?
Yes, that is correct, as long as you set up MFP correctly, you're measuring (estimating) accurately and you're typical in your activity. You might have to adjust things after a month, since some people just burn off more energy in their daily lives than others (people who are always fidgeting, for example).But if I eat 1500 of the 1710 and still burn the 500, I am not harming my body by eating too little?
That depends. Your total energy expenditure is:
BMR (Basal metabolic rate): what you would burn in a coma
TEF (Thermic effect of food): energy required to digest and metabolize food; not much but it does exist!
NEAT (Non-exercise activity thermogenesis): energy burned in daily life, from brushing teeth to shopping to emptying the dishwasher
EAT (Exercise activity thermogenesis): energy burned in deliberate exercise.
MFP uses your data to estimate BMR, TEF, and NEAT, and then subtracts the calories that correspond to what your weight loss goal is. For you, it estimated 1710 calories to lose 2 pounds a week.
2 pounds a week is aggressive. You definitely want to eat those 1710 calories, plus a reasonable value for your exercise (try 75% of what the exercise database estimates) until you find how you're responding to that diet. If you're used to eating more like 2710 or more (which is what MFP thinks is the calories you would need to maintain), 1710 is going to be very hard, especially at first. I was on a daily deficit of only about 550 calories and I was ravenous much of the time for the first three weeks.
You might lose more weight in your first week as your body sheds extra water, so your results from weeks 2-5 are better than week 1 for seeing how you're doing.
Once you have a baseline of four weeks, you can adjust things as needed. If you lose about 8 pounds, then your estimates are pretty accurate! If not, you can try to figure out whether you're overestimating exercise calories, underestimating food calories (very common!), or less active (outside of exercise) than you initially estimated.0 -
Thanks! i think i get it now you all were so helpful!
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