Gain VS. Fluctuation

mom2ava07
mom2ava07 Posts: 186 Member
edited November 11 in Health and Weight Loss
We all know that if you weigh daily you will see many fluctuations in weight. However, at what point do you call it a gain and go back and attempt to determine the cause, versus just chalking it up as a simple fluctuation?

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  • Francl27
    Francl27 Posts: 26,371 Member
    It's math. It takes 3500 calories to gain one pound of fat. If you log properly, you should be able to tell.
  • Laurend224
    Laurend224 Posts: 1,748 Member
    I am pretty rigid with my log and calorie counting. If at some point I stopped logging and tracking my food and started massively overeating I would consider it a gain.
    At my current calorie intake, I think it's impossible to gain weight, therefore any uptick is just 'water'
    I weigh and log daily.
  • mom2ava07
    mom2ava07 Posts: 186 Member
    edited February 2015
    Friday morning I weighed 155, Saturday 155.8, Sunday 155.8, and today still 155.8. I know .8 pounds is nothing to get worked up about, but I haven't missed a day logging or exercising. I realize there's room for inaccuracies in calorie count, but considering this weekend I ate around 1000 calories per day (appetite just isnt there) plus exercised daily, I would find it hard to believe I underestimated enough to actually gain. Again, I know not a big deal regardless, but frustrating when I think I'm not eating enough more likely than too much. It's not near my time of the month either.

    I have been losing a pound or so, next day it's back, and then gone again the next so I do tend to fluctuate a lot. I'm just thinking three days is enough to be considered a gain. Wondering where I went wrong.
  • ILiftHeavyAcrylics
    ILiftHeavyAcrylics Posts: 27,732 Member
    If it lasts more than a month it counts. My weight can fluctuate up to 4 lbs so mostly I just don't worry about it, unless I have reason to believe my counting might be off.

    3 days is not enough time. A week isn't even enough time. Be patient.
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  • Laurend224
    Laurend224 Posts: 1,748 Member
    One Chinese meal can put me up 5+ lbs for days even if I stay in my calorie range. I know it and expect it. I still don't consider it a gain.
    It comes back down again. :)
  • FitFitzy331
    FitFitzy331 Posts: 308 Member
    mom2ava07 wrote: »
    Friday morning I weighed 155, Saturday 155.8, Sunday 155.8, and today still 155.8. I know .8 pounds is nothing to get worked up about, but I haven't missed a day logging or exercising. I realize there's room for inaccuracies in calorie count, but considering this weekend I ate around 1000 calories per day (appetite just isnt there) plus exercised daily, I would find it hard to believe I underestimated enough to actually gain. Again, I know not a big deal regardless, but frustrating when I think I'm not eating enough more likely than too much. It's not near my time of the month either.

    It's impossible tell without your diary being open but are you weighing all your food using a food scale? You could be overestimating how much you are eating. Also have you had a lot of sodium in the last 3 days? Or not had much water to drink? All of this could account for the number on the scale. I know I've fluctuated over 4lbs within 2 days based on water intake and sodium intake alone. Are you new to exercising? You could be retaining water from that as well.

    Weigh all your food, don't just measure it. Log it accurately. Drink water, you'll lose weight. Just be patient.
  • markiend
    markiend Posts: 461 Member
    weigh yourself weekly , look at the overall trend... is it up ..is it down...

    try weighing monday am only, this can help keep you honest at the weekends

    over the period of a month, you will be able to see less water / poop / binge variations

  • SergeantSausage
    SergeantSausage Posts: 1,673 Member
    edited February 2015
    BFDeal wrote: »
    The "I log properly so I know" thing is annoying. So you're 100% accurate with your log?

    Yes

    How do you ever go anywhere that isn't some stupid chain restaurant?

    I don't

    You never take a day off for your birthday?

    Why would I?

    You count every bite you eat?

    Yes

    BS.

    Your obvious lack of discipline is not mine, Bro.

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  • JAT74
    JAT74 Posts: 1,081 Member
    edited February 2015
    It's very frustrating sometimes. I initially lost 3lbs in the first week when I started logging at the beginning of January and then the 2nd week I lost 1lb. At the beginning of the 3rd week my weight dropped another 1.5lbs so I thought I was doing great but then the scale started consistently going up, every day for over a week.

    By the end of the re-gain I was heavier than when I started, but I knew that it was unlikely I had put on weight as I was eating at a deficit consistent with losing at least 1-1.5lbs per week.

    It worried me at the time, but several posters told me it was probably down to an increase in carbs and water retention or an excess of sodium.

    In the last few days my weight came back down to the level it was at after the initial 5.5lb loss, and now it's down another 0.5lb so I'm finally losing again.

    I have to say I've never really noticed this before but the week my weight appeared to go up dramatically I did have 3 restaurant meals out very close together (with just 1 day inbetween) and I also drank 3 glasses of wine, when prior to that I had not been drinking at all except one day when I had 1 glass at the beginning of January.

    If it happens again, now I know that it's not a true gain, as I know I've been logging properly and working out regularly - and to the poster who is annoyed by 'logging properly so I know', in my case I am creating a deficit of 800 calories per day so way more than enough to lose at least 1lb per week. Even if there may have been some days when eating out that calories counts were a little higher than logged, that would only have been for 1 meal and if it was out by 200-300 calories it would not make enough of a difference for me to gain.
  • Buu_kz
    Buu_kz Posts: 89 Member
    I flux up to 6 pounds sometimes
  • Sued0nim
    Sued0nim Posts: 17,456 Member
    I stall for 2-3 weeks regularly then drop

    when I stall for longer than 6 weeks I'll worry

    when I talk of stalling I can within that stall go up 2- 3lbs and then drop again within the week but the underlying weight never drops below the lowest IYSWIM
  • mom2ava07
    mom2ava07 Posts: 186 Member
    BFDeal wrote: »
    The "I log properly so I know" thing is annoying. So you're 100% accurate with your log? How do you ever go anywhere that isn't some stupid chain restaurant? You never take a day off for your birthday? You count every bite you eat? BS.


    I don't recall saying I log properly, but rather I log daily....meaning I simply haven't missed a day of logging everything I eat with honest attempts to accurately measure and weigh. I realize no one is perfect, so there's PLENTY of room for error, but enough to actually gain is doubtful at my low level of caloric intake. I find people who assume that every person absolutely sucks at logging is equally annoying.


    On another note, I believe that it is likely increased sodium intake in this case. I just didn't know if the effects of too much sodium could stick around for a few days. I haven't ate chinese, wish I could, but I also gain like 5 lbs from it regardless of the amount of food.
  • Sued0nim
    Sued0nim Posts: 17,456 Member
    sodium sticks around for 1-3 days providing not going over after
    hormonal sticks around for a week to 10 days

    in my experience
  • bexie82
    bexie82 Posts: 4 Member
    Laurend224 wrote: »
    One Chinese meal can put me up 5+ lbs for days even if I stay in my calorie range. I know it and expect it. I still don't consider it a gain.
    It comes back down again. :)

  • bexie82
    bexie82 Posts: 4 Member
    Lol snap x
  • 100andOnward
    100andOnward Posts: 145 Member
    This is why I started weighing daily; I monitor trends. If it lasts for over about 2 weeks for me, I consider it a gain. My daily weight can fluctuate greatly, sometimes as much as 8-10 pounds.
  • JAT74
    JAT74 Posts: 1,081 Member
    As I said before, I had the same problem for over a week, and was worried. I didn't know about the effects of sodium, an increase in carbohydrates or alcohol could have this kind of effect. During the week I appeared to rapidly gain, I ate an Indian meal first, then a Thai meal and a few days later a Japanese meal!

    I was very careful with what I ate, portion sizes and how it was cooked, but the extra sodium obviously made a difference.

  • JAT74
    JAT74 Posts: 1,081 Member
    By the way I've started weighing daily and putting the results into an app called Happy Scale which someone recommended on here. It shows the fluctuation in a graph so it's easy to see the overall trend.

    I also started a spreadsheet to analyse the numbers on a weekly/monthly basis, so I can see the rate of weight loss per week and also my average calorie intake vs net calories and the amount I've burned through exercise.

    As it's only been one month so far, I can't compare it to previous months yet but it will be interesting to see the trends which appear.
  • Wiseandcurious
    Wiseandcurious Posts: 730 Member
    BFDeal wrote: »
    The "I log properly so I know" thing is annoying. So you're 100% accurate with your log? How do you ever go anywhere that isn't some stupid chain restaurant? You never take a day off for your birthday? You count every bite you eat? BS.

    I find this rather judgmental and aggressive. I for one don't even go to the chain restaurants you so despise for lack of money right now, don't take days off logging for holidays and log every bite I eat. And your quote above implies either a) disbelief or b) disparaging of those habits ;)

    I think the point people are trying to make is that if you log consistently, you *will* know if something changed when you look back at your logs. Annoying or not, it's a fact :neutral_face:
  • KHaverstick
    KHaverstick Posts: 308 Member
    I only consider something a true gain if the trend over, say, a month or three months is going up. The daily fluctuations mean nothing to me.
  • Laurend224
    Laurend224 Posts: 1,748 Member
    BFDeal wrote: »
    The "I log properly so I know" thing is annoying. So you're 100% accurate with your log? How do you ever go anywhere that isn't some stupid chain restaurant? You never take a day off for your birthday? You count every bite you eat? BS.

    I find this rather judgmental and aggressive. I for one don't even go to the chain restaurants you so despise for lack of money right now, don't take days off logging for holidays and log every bite I eat. And your quote above implies either a) disbelief or b) disparaging of those habits ;)

    I think the point people are trying to make is that if you log consistently, you *will* know if something changed when you look back at your logs. Annoying or not, it's a fact :neutral_face:

    I make all our meals from scratch and we don't go out to eat because there is no such thing as a vegan restaurant where I live, (and I have trust issues). I log absolutely everything and I don't take days off. I'm as accurate as I can be.
  • segacs
    segacs Posts: 4,599 Member
    I only consider something a true gain if the trend over, say, a month or three months is going up. The daily fluctuations mean nothing to me.

    ^ This.

    Log your daily weigh-ins in an app like Trendweight or Libra, which will smooth out the fluctuations with a 7- or 14-day rolling average and let you know whether you're truly plateaued, losing or gaining.

    If you're a bit nerdy, you can use regression analysis to create your own trend graph in something like Excel.

    But ultimately, if you gain a pound or two of water weight and it goes away a couple of days later, it's normal.
  • JPW1990
    JPW1990 Posts: 2,424 Member
    Laurend224 wrote: »
    BFDeal wrote: »
    The "I log properly so I know" thing is annoying. So you're 100% accurate with your log? How do you ever go anywhere that isn't some stupid chain restaurant? You never take a day off for your birthday? You count every bite you eat? BS.

    I find this rather judgmental and aggressive. I for one don't even go to the chain restaurants you so despise for lack of money right now, don't take days off logging for holidays and log every bite I eat. And your quote above implies either a) disbelief or b) disparaging of those habits ;)

    I think the point people are trying to make is that if you log consistently, you *will* know if something changed when you look back at your logs. Annoying or not, it's a fact :neutral_face:

    I make all our meals from scratch and we don't go out to eat because there is no such thing as a vegan restaurant where I live, (and I have trust issues). I log absolutely everything and I don't take days off. I'm as accurate as I can be.

    It's both for me. I've been cooking long enough that restaurant food rarely tastes good, so it seems a waste of money. I also can't guarantee that everything I can't eat will be excluded from every sauce or seasoning mix, so often it means paying too much for disappointing food that might also end up making me sick for a week.
  • Jolinia
    Jolinia Posts: 846 Member
    When the jeans don't fit, I gained. Except during TOM bloat, then I just wear a skirt and let it go. I bought those jeans snug for a reason, they're better than any scale or measuring tape or photo.
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    mom2ava07 wrote: »
    We all know that if you weigh daily you will see many fluctuations in weight. However, at what point do you call it a gain and go back and attempt to determine the cause, versus just chalking it up as a simple fluctuation?

    You watch the trend over time...

    Also, you would have to eat 3500 calories over your MAINTENANCE calories to gain 1 Lb of fat. So if you're not doing that then you're not putting on fat.

  • segacs
    segacs Posts: 4,599 Member
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    Also, you would have to eat 3500 calories over your MAINTENANCE calories to gain 1 Lb of fat. So if you're not doing that then you're not putting on fat.

    Actually you could be gaining fat, just less of it. If you eat 500 calories over your maintenance, then you're gaining 500/3500 or ~0.15lbs. Do that for a week straight and you'll gain a pound.

    Sometimes it doesn't take much. That's how most of us gained the weight in the first place, after all... slowly.
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