What if I go over on Sugar or Fat but stay within my deficit?

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  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    MrM27 wrote: »
    besee_2000 wrote: »
    There is more to just calories in vs calories out. You should be concerned of sugar. Eating 500 cal of sugar vs 500 cal of complex carbs and fiber are not the same for your gut. Sugar increases insulin production. Insulin places the excess calories to fat storage. Those that go on low carb diets can eat a lot of calories without storing anything to fat. "Good" sugar vs "bad" sugar is also controversial. I would suggest "Good Calories, Bad Calories" by Gary Taubes. It changes your mind about fats and carbs.
    A caloric surplus will lead to fat gain. Not just sugar. Low carb doesn't mean you don't gain weight. Have a caloric surplus on low carb and you gain fat. I'm not sure you understand how insulin works. Actually, I'm sure you don't.

    Taubes, I don't thinknow so

    To be fair, Taubes doesn't understand how insulin works, either. You can't blame someone for not understanding when they get their info from a guy who doesn't know what he's talking about.
  • Liz4J
    Liz4J Posts: 23 Member
    So much great information on this thread! I am consistenly over on my carbs by 10% and under my calorie goal and came looking for info. I'm just starting out so I wasn't sure whether I needed to be overly concerned about this just yet.
    Good luck to all!!
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  • clambert1273
    clambert1273 Posts: 840 Member
    prettykitty1515 wrote: »
    MrM27 wrote: »
    prettykitty1515 wrote: »
    besee_2000 wrote: »
    There is more to just calories in vs calories out. You should be concerned of sugar. Eating 500 cal of sugar vs 500 cal of complex carbs and fiber are not the same for your gut. Sugar increases insulin production. Insulin places the excess calories to fat storage. Those that go on low carb diets can eat a lot of calories without storing anything to fat. "Good" sugar vs "bad" sugar is also controversial. I would suggest "Good Calories, Bad Calories" by Gary Taubes. It changes your mind about fats and carbs.

    Making this statement on Myfitnesspal is like Galileo stating that the earth was not flat in the 15th century. You are a heretic, and must be burned at the stake.
    Did you stop in to finally provide some links to claims you make?

    Try this one. But you won't even read it because you have a closed mind that says, without a shadow of a doubt, that a 200-calorie Twinkie = 200 calories of veggies.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/02/health/low-carb-vs-low-fat-diet.html

    good thing I don't do low carb or low fat :) so that would be a fail on both accounts... and I did read it lol
  • eric_sg61
    eric_sg61 Posts: 2,925 Member
    prettykitty1515 wrote: »
    MrM27 wrote: »
    prettykitty1515 wrote: »
    besee_2000 wrote: »
    There is more to just calories in vs calories out. You should be concerned of sugar. Eating 500 cal of sugar vs 500 cal of complex carbs and fiber are not the same for your gut. Sugar increases insulin production. Insulin places the excess calories to fat storage. Those that go on low carb diets can eat a lot of calories without storing anything to fat. "Good" sugar vs "bad" sugar is also controversial. I would suggest "Good Calories, Bad Calories" by Gary Taubes. It changes your mind about fats and carbs.

    Making this statement on Myfitnesspal is like Galileo stating that the earth was not flat in the 15th century. You are a heretic, and must be burned at the stake.
    Did you stop in to finally provide some links to claims you make?

    Try this one. But you won't even read it because you have a closed mind that says, without a shadow of a doubt, that a 200-calorie Twinkie = 200 calories of veggies.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/02/health/low-carb-vs-low-fat-diet.html

    http://nutrevolve.blogspot.com/2014/09/re-effects-of-low-carbohydrate-and-low.html
    FTA:
    "What you can't say based on this study:
    1. A calorie isn't a calorie - It's not a highly controlled metabolic ward study or an inpatient study, and individuals weren't even instructed to count calories, so you can't say a calorie isn't a calorie. We have plenty of highly controlled studies (6,7,8, 9) and they largely demonstrate that calories count (The more scholarly questions relates to how macronutrient metabolism affects body composition - much more research is needed here)."
  • Liftng4Lis
    Liftng4Lis Posts: 15,151 Member
    It's all about the deficit, for weight loss.
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  • Paul_Collyer
    Paul_Collyer Posts: 160 Member
    My experience is that weight loss rate is better when you pay more attention to macros once you get to a point where you are closer to your ideal weight. I recently reduced sugar and carbs and it has worked rather well so far.
  • earlnabby
    earlnabby Posts: 8,171 Member
    prattiger65 wrote: »
    Walk before you run. Just worry about calories. As time goes on and you learn more, you can integrate macro specific elements to your diet. I believe one of the reasons people fail early is because they are overwhelmed with information the is not all that important, at least to begin with.

    This is so true. A member made a post right after I started that has always stayed with me: "You are not making a large change to your lifestyle, you are making a series of small changes". Start with eating more nutritious meals and staying close to your calorie goal. You can later go back and tweak the macros to find your personal sweet spot. You will not hit the same macros exactly each day unless you eat the same food each day so it helps to have something in mind as to where you have wiggle room and where you don't (which is all personal).

    For me, I really make an effort to stay under my carb goal because I am diabetic and too many carbs are bad for me. Having said that, I do not count sugars because T2 diabetics are affected by all carbs, not just sugars. If I am over in protein and/or fat but under in carbs it is all good.

  • jennifer_417
    jennifer_417 Posts: 12,344 Member
    besee_2000 wrote: »
    I don't think its as simple as macros like carbs vs fats. Its types of carbs. Fibers vs refined sugars. Complex vs. simple.
    For weight loss? It's even simpler. Calories in < calories out. Don't make harder on the noobs than it has to be.
  • ajwall3
    ajwall3 Posts: 187
    edited February 2015
    besee_2000 wrote: »
    There is more to just calories in vs calories out. You should be concerned of sugar. Eating 500 cal of sugar vs 500 cal of complex carbs and fiber are not the same for your gut. Sugar increases insulin production. Insulin places the excess calories to fat storage. Those that go on low carb diets can eat a lot of calories without storing anything to fat. "Good" sugar vs "bad" sugar is also controversial. I would suggest "Good Calories, Bad Calories" by Gary Taubes. It changes your mind about fats and carbs.

    THIS! Yes sugar should definitely be monitored (and limited!) There are more factors to be concerned about than simply calories. You can eat Twinkies up to your calorie goal and not go over and stay within your calorie limits but it's not in any way healthy. That's an extreme exaggeration but it's true. Refined and added sugar is SO bad for your health. Please research the effects it has. Knowledge is power. It's addictive, that's why it's hard to give up. It's not JUST about calories. It's about health! Best to you!
  • ajwall3
    ajwall3 Posts: 187
    edited February 2015
    Clarification, yes, you can probably still lose weight BUT it's not necessarily the healthiest way to go about it. Our bodies do need a balance of good carbs, fats and protein in order to be it's best at functioning. Not trying to be the sugar police haha but just really concerned about overall health :smiley: You can do anything you set your mind to! I don't think gaining information should intimidate anyone, it should help to empower ourselves. Good luck and you can totally do it! :wink:
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    ajwall3 wrote: »
    Clarification, yes, you can probably still lose weight BUT it's not necessarily the healthiest way to go about it. Our bodies do need a balance of good carbs, fats and protein in order to be it's best at functioning. Not trying to be the sugar police haha but just really concerned about overall health :smiley: You can do anything you set your mind to! I don't think gaining information should intimidate anyone, it should help to empower ourselves. Good luck and you can totally do it! :wink:

    Do yourself a favor. Google "the Twinkie diet." Read and learn. Being overweight is the single biggest issue for poor health, and the single biggest cause for most health issues. The foods you eat have very little effect on over all health, provided you get at least the minimum of required nutrients (which isn't an issue in developed nations.)

    How much you eat is far more important a factor for health than what you eat.
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    edited February 2015
    ajwall3 wrote: »
    besee_2000 wrote: »
    There is more to just calories in vs calories out. You should be concerned of sugar. Eating 500 cal of sugar vs 500 cal of complex carbs and fiber are not the same for your gut. Sugar increases insulin production. Insulin places the excess calories to fat storage. Those that go on low carb diets can eat a lot of calories without storing anything to fat. "Good" sugar vs "bad" sugar is also controversial. I would suggest "Good Calories, Bad Calories" by Gary Taubes. It changes your mind about fats and carbs.

    THIS! Yes sugar should definitely be monitored (and limited!) There are more factors to be concerned about than simply calories. You can eat Twinkies up to your calorie goal and not go over and stay within your calorie limits but it's not in any way healthy. That's an extreme exaggeration but it's true. Refined and added sugar is SO bad for your health. Please research the effects it has. Knowledge is power. It's addictive, that's why it's hard to give up. It's not JUST about calories. It's about health! Best to you!

    Explain what exactly is so bad about refined sugar for your health? And please don't say insulin, because contrary to the post you quoted, insulin does not store sugar as fat (it does transport sugar to muscle tissue as glycogen, and to the liver, and it's a major appetite suppressing hormone, and it regulates muscle growth and maintenance through regulation of growth hormone, and 100 other functions in the human body, but it doesn't store fat.)
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