painful knees

hnyzthms
hnyzthms Posts: 393 Member
edited November 12 in Fitness and Exercise
I have always suffered with bad knees off and on for a couple of yrs.
When I kneel it will set it off and things like squats and lunges.

I am trying 30 DS again and having trouble with all the squats and lunges jumping jacks.
Does Julian do an exercise dvd that is so heavy on knees or can anyone recommend a you tube video I can do

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  • hnyzthms
    hnyzthms Posts: 393 Member
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  • SunflowerCat74
    SunflowerCat74 Posts: 258 Member
    Go get your knees checked! Stop doing exercises that hurt...if you have a problem you may be exacerbating it.

    Just speaking from personal experience. Better safe than sorry.
  • sofaking6
    sofaking6 Posts: 4,589 Member
    Wrap em up and see if that helps. It makes my life bearable and I just use a $5 sleeve from the drugstore.
  • jgnatca
    jgnatca Posts: 14,464 Member
    Don't mess with your knees. I'm working with a physiotherapist to save mine. It turns out I have a weak core and stiff hips; both which have to be corrected to protect the knees. I have some custom stretches to do every morning. And I must have a full rest day between runs.

    http://tonygentilcore.com/2011/05/training-the-obese-or-overweight-client/
  • nossmf
    nossmf Posts: 12,067 Member
    Properly warming up your knees is sometimes all it takes. If I dive right into heavy squats on my leg days, I feel it. But if I do multiple sets with VERY light weight, combined with isolation exercises like leg extensions, my knees work themselves out and I am fine.
  • Delilahhhhhh
    Delilahhhhhh Posts: 477 Member
    fitness blender have a good range of low impact work outs that might help you. http://www.fitnessblender.com/videos/low-impact-cardio-workout-for-beginners

    and this
    jgnatca wrote: »
    Don't mess with your knees. I'm working with a physiotherapist to save mine. It turns out I have a weak core and stiff hips; both which have to be corrected to protect the knees. I have some custom stretches to do every morning. And I must have a full rest day between runs.

    http://tonygentilcore.com/2011/05/training-the-obese-or-overweight-client/
    and this
    nossmf wrote: »
    Properly warming up your knees is sometimes all it takes. If I dive right into heavy squats on my leg days, I feel it. But if I do multiple sets with VERY light weight, combined with isolation exercises like leg extensions, my knees work themselves out and I am fine.

  • LadyGrey75
    LadyGrey75 Posts: 55 Member
    ...my knees kill me when I try any sort of exercise but it is not the joint itself that hurts it is the muscle above the knee. I have beein trying to work out for over 2 months now and my knees do not seem to be getting any stonger. After 2 minutes (literally) my knees are burning so bad I can't stand anymore on an elipticle rider at the lowest setting. I don't know what to do because it is making me want to give up on trying to execise at all. I can walk fine but can't start that up again until it is warmer and still daylight when I get home from work. I tried a brace and that didn't help either, am I just that weak?
  • sofaking6
    sofaking6 Posts: 4,589 Member
    LadyGrey75 wrote: »
    ...my knees kill me when I try any sort of exercise but it is not the joint itself that hurts it is the muscle above the knee. I have beein trying to work out for over 2 months now and my knees do not seem to be getting any stonger. After 2 minutes (literally) my knees are burning so bad I can't stand anymore on an elipticle rider at the lowest setting. I don't know what to do because it is making me want to give up on trying to execise at all. I can walk fine but can't start that up again until it is warmer and still daylight when I get home from work. I tried a brace and that didn't help either, am I just that weak?

    I think that muscle/area is your "IT Band" - https://www.google.com/search?q=it+band

  • cheshirecatastrophe
    cheshirecatastrophe Posts: 1,395 Member
    LadyGrey75 wrote: »
    ...my knees kill me when I try any sort of exercise but it is not the joint itself that hurts it is the muscle above the knee. I have beein trying to work out for over 2 months now and my knees do not seem to be getting any stonger. After 2 minutes (literally) my knees are burning so bad I can't stand anymore on an elipticle rider at the lowest setting. I don't know what to do because it is making me want to give up on trying to execise at all. I can walk fine but can't start that up again until it is warmer and still daylight when I get home from work. I tried a brace and that didn't help either, am I just that weak?

    IT band wraps for temporary relief. Myrtl exercises + hip hikes for long term recovery. And you'll probably have to back off the elliptical for awhile.
  • alyhuggan
    alyhuggan Posts: 717 Member
    Knee sleeves plus proper warming up helps me a lot!
  • LadyGrey75
    LadyGrey75 Posts: 55 Member
    Thanks all but looking at the links my problem is not that because the pain is at the top front muscle of the knee and the pains stops when I stop and I don't run...never have....doing exercise for the first time in my life. I have felt the infamous "burn" in other parts of my body doing other exercise types but it is not feeling the same...it hurts....
  • cheshirecatastrophe
    cheshirecatastrophe Posts: 1,395 Member
    edited February 2015
    LadyGrey75 wrote: »
    Thanks all but looking at the links my problem is not that because the pain is at the top front muscle of the knee and the pains stops when I stop and I don't run...never have....doing exercise for the first time in my life. I have felt the infamous "burn" in other parts of my body doing other exercise types but it is not feeling the same...it hurts....

    Do you mean like right above your kneecap? At the very very bottom of your quad? That is *exactly* where I experience IT band pain from the elliptical. And yes, I wound up my IT bands so tight from just the elliptical that I spent about three months in physical therapy.

    If it's on the knee itself, maybe runner's knee/patellofemoral syndrome? That's usually more *under* the kneecap, though.

    ETA: One way or the other, you can get your answer from a doctor or PT. :) Might help you get back to the exercise you enjoy faster.
  • LadyGrey75
    LadyGrey75 Posts: 55 Member
    Thanks, yea the bottom of my thigh right above the knee is where the pain is. It is really affecting my mood and desire because I feel like just a failure at execise and dieting and I want to be healthier so badly, guess I need to find a doctor ecen though I avoid them like the plague. I appreciate the insight!
  • maxit
    maxit Posts: 880 Member
    See this is the problem with trying to go on the cheap and get a diagnosis and treatment from untrained (mostly) folks who can't actually examine you. Knee pain can be related to a number of things including (but not limited to) over-pronation and improper footwear. Spend some money and get evaluated properly.
  • LadyGrey75
    LadyGrey75 Posts: 55 Member
    maxit wrote: »
    See this is the problem with trying to go on the cheap and get a diagnosis and treatment from untrained (mostly) folks who can't actually examine you. Knee pain can be related to a number of things including (but not limited to) over-pronation and improper footwear. Spend some money and get evaluated properly.

    I wasn't necessarily looking for a "diagnosis" so much as some insight on things I could do to strengthen the area without hurting myself. I thought that was part of the point for this site was to get feedback from other people that may be or have been in a similiar situations. I know diddly about exercise and I am trying to learn but it really makes me not want to ask anything on here because someone always wants to come at me with negativity. I am cheap when it comes to spending money because I do not have it to spend.
  • Sam_I_Am77
    Sam_I_Am77 Posts: 2,093 Member
    edited February 2015
    jgnatca wrote: »
    Don't mess with your knees. I'm working with a physiotherapist to save mine. It turns out I have a weak core and stiff hips; both which have to be corrected to protect the knees. I have some custom stretches to do every morning. And I must have a full rest day between runs.

    http://tonygentilcore.com/2011/05/training-the-obese-or-overweight-client/

    This is a common issue for those with knee pain and is one cause for non-contact ACL injuries and ankle sprains. Make sure you do some work to strengthen your core muscles; it doesn't have to be a ton but a little. Make sure you do things to improve your hip, hamstring, and ankle mobility. ALSO, make sure you do exercises that work your lower back, glutes, and hamstrings; it's not uncommon for most people (especially women) to have underdeveloped hammies. Remember that the quads only manage knee extension and it's the hamstrings that mange knee flexion, so both need to be trained.
  • ba502
    ba502 Posts: 54 Member
    When I was having similar knee pain (above the knee just below the quad muscle), I learned that it was being caused by tight muscles and IT band. There's a lot of different stretches that will help and I now use a foam roller daily. It has helped immensely. I have completed Insanity and am currently doing Insanity Max 30 and no knee issues despite the amount of squats, lunges etc in these programs.
  • Sam_I_Am77
    Sam_I_Am77 Posts: 2,093 Member
    LadyGrey75 wrote: »
    maxit wrote: »
    See this is the problem with trying to go on the cheap and get a diagnosis and treatment from untrained (mostly) folks who can't actually examine you. Knee pain can be related to a number of things including (but not limited to) over-pronation and improper footwear. Spend some money and get evaluated properly.

    I wasn't necessarily looking for a "diagnosis" so much as some insight on things I could do to strengthen the area without hurting myself. I thought that was part of the point for this site was to get feedback from other people that may be or have been in a similiar situations. I know diddly about exercise and I am trying to learn but it really makes me not want to ask anything on here because someone always wants to come at me with negativity. I am cheap when it comes to spending money because I do not have it to spend.

    Very common issues are the over-foot pronation and internal hip rotation which can cause the knee to move improperly. Things to consider...

    1. Flexibility work. hips, hamstrings, lower back, calves
    2. Under-developed hamstrings, glutes, calves, Core muscles (Google: Lumbo-Pelvic Hip Complex)

    Since you're tight on funds, see if you can YouTube the NASM Overhead Squat and Single Leg Squat assessments. Those are two commonly used methods to assess one's development needs.

    Shoes could be an issue but it's more likely something to do with your movement.
  • mymodernbabylon
    mymodernbabylon Posts: 1,038 Member
    The 30DS was the worst thing ever for my knees. It was awful. I lift, but if you want you can do bodyweight exercises from Nerdfitness which won't hurt your knees in the same way.
  • emmab852012
    emmab852012 Posts: 82 Member
    I have arthritis in my knees so its tough for me not to push too hard. I think it is just finding your limits. I wear a brace to the gym too and when doing cardio I stick to the elliptical which is better for joint pains.
    Definitely see a doctor to find out what it is ...
  • softblondechick
    softblondechick Posts: 1,275 Member
    I have terrible knees from slalom skiing. And have had two knee surgeries. I am obese and went to a trainer who was always having me do exercises that did not work for my knees.

    It was crazy. I got rid of the trainer.
  • helen8328
    helen8328 Posts: 36 Member
    I have weak knees but I found that mine are much better since I've built up the rest of my leg muscles, which took the pressure off them. Even riding a bike originally hurt them. I started doing leg exercises with very light weights and slowly built them up, trying to use every muscle group in them. I had a personal trainer show me what to do as correct form is vitally important when there's a weakness there. If you can find one with experience in this area it would really benefit you even if it's only for a short while.

    I found that glucosamine supplements helped me a lot and long leggings or joggers to make sure the knees are always warm, as then they can move better.
  • LadyGrey75
    LadyGrey75 Posts: 55 Member
    Thanks all, I will take all this in and see if it helps.
  • My knees are bad. I just had surgery number 4 in December. Yoga has helped. I was really surprised when my PT suggested it but it has helped strengthen the surrounding muscles which makes my knee more stable. I've only been doing it for 36 days but I already see a HUGE difference. I do have to skip some of the poses though.
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