To lift or not to lift.

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  • jmacok
    jmacok Posts: 34 Member
    LIFT!!!
  • poedunk65
    poedunk65 Posts: 1,336 Member
    Most definitely lift!! :D
  • WhatMeRunning
    WhatMeRunning Posts: 3,538 Member
    I'm not sure why you would ask others this question. If you think you should lift, then lift. If you think lifting will not help you, then don't.

    That said, lifting can never be bad for you, unless you are injured or have a codnition preventing it. Cardio can never be bad for you either, unless you have a health condition or injury. Both lead to being more fit and healthy.

    What is your goal? That is what will help you answer this question.
  • ninjasmith1986
    ninjasmith1986 Posts: 35 Member
    JoRocka wrote: »
    To not lift is NEVER the answer.

    Lifting and squats- 42 and ice cream are the answers to ALL of life's questions.

    THHIIIISSS and only this!!!! Thank you!

  • ninjasmith1986
    ninjasmith1986 Posts: 35 Member
    edited February 2015
    Lifting weights builds muscle. When have more muscle you burn more calories even at rest. When you build muscle/strength you have more energy to do the hardcore workouts you want to do in order to reach the fitness goals you have. Do both.
    Muscles are what gives you the lean look that I'm pretty sure most people want to attain...or maybe you just want to be strong with out caring about aesthetics. Whatever....besides, your body will follow suit, it is going to take shape when you train with intensity and purpose. Focus :smile:
  • dbmata
    dbmata Posts: 12,950 Member
    glevinso wrote: »
    vorgas wrote: »
    You should only lift if you want to improve your posture, bone density, balance, endurance, coordination, and confidence. If you dont want any of that, then stick with pure cardio.

    Lol... this is quite possibly the dumbest thing I have ever read here. Well that is exaggerating I guess... some of the stuff in the Lemon Cleanse thread might top it, but this is up there
    read it again, it's funny.
  • aquamarina_182
    aquamarina_182 Posts: 119 Member
    JoRocka wrote: »
    To not lift is NEVER the answer.

    Lifting and squats- 42 and ice cream are the answers to ALL of life's questions.

    This!

    yes...ice cream is forever the answer...alongside the lifting and squats of course. :smiley:
  • glevinso
    glevinso Posts: 1,895 Member
    dbmata wrote: »
    glevinso wrote: »
    vorgas wrote: »
    You should only lift if you want to improve your posture, bone density, balance, endurance, coordination, and confidence. If you dont want any of that, then stick with pure cardio.

    Lol... this is quite possibly the dumbest thing I have ever read here. Well that is exaggerating I guess... some of the stuff in the Lemon Cleanse thread might top it, but this is up there
    read it again, it's funny.

    I am so bummed that thread was closed. It was full of WIN!
  • dbmata
    dbmata Posts: 12,950 Member
    glevinso wrote: »
    dbmata wrote: »
    glevinso wrote: »
    vorgas wrote: »
    You should only lift if you want to improve your posture, bone density, balance, endurance, coordination, and confidence. If you dont want any of that, then stick with pure cardio.

    Lol... this is quite possibly the dumbest thing I have ever read here. Well that is exaggerating I guess... some of the stuff in the Lemon Cleanse thread might top it, but this is up there
    read it again, it's funny.

    I am so bummed that thread was closed. It was full of WIN!
    No, I mean vorgas's comment. I thought it was funny. Granted, a bit derisive to pure cardio, but supportable to a greater or lesser degree.
  • jesiann2014
    jesiann2014 Posts: 521 Member
    Another vote for lifting.

    And the pb goes WITH the ice cream! What a beautiful marriage...
  • Maverick60
    Maverick60 Posts: 17 Member
    Lift.
  • MKEgal
    MKEgal Posts: 3,250 Member
    Withcyhoe wrote:
    I've had the same question in my head. No only to lift or not to lift, but how much weight to lift? I'm lifting what I can do 3 sets of 15 and be burning a little when I hit 10/11 on that set. IDK if that's right or wrong?
    Here's a post I did about exercise.

    It says in relevant part:
    You need to know the maximum amount you can lift, called the one-repetition maximum or 1RM.

    For building muscle, you want to do 1 or 2 sets of 8-12 repetitions of a weight that's 70-85% of your 1RM.
    For building endurance, do 1 or 2 sets of 15-20 repetitions of a weight that's 50-65% of your 1RM.

    Either way, start low on both weight & reps and work up.
    You should just be able to do the last 2-3 reps.
    When it gets easy to do the maximum # of reps, add 5 pounds and go back to the minimum # of reps.

    (From the American College of Sports Medicine's book "Resources for the Personal Trainer, 4th edition".)

    Remember to work both sides of a joint (or the body) - if you're doing bicep curls, also do tricep extensions or dips. If you're doing quadricep extensions, also do hamstring curls. If you're doing abdominal curls, also do lower back extensions.
  • MKEgal
    MKEgal Posts: 3,250 Member
    vorgas wrote:
    You should only lift if you want to improve your posture, bone density, balance, endurance, coordination, and confidence. If you don't want any of that, then stick with pure cardio.
    glevinso wrote:
    this is quite possibly the dumbest thing I have ever read here. Well that is exaggerating I guess... some of the stuff in the Lemon Cleanse thread might top it, but this is up there
    Why? Everything vorgas said is completely true (except perhaps endurance, that's more associated with cardio).
  • Lift!!!!!
  • MKEgal
    MKEgal Posts: 3,250 Member
    BTW, definitely lift weights. At worst, you will maintain muscle, which is important.
    Here's an article talking about comparing people who only did aerobics to people who only did weightlifting (they ate the same calories).
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    Maximum oxygen consumption increased significantly but equally in both groups.
    Body weight decreased significantly more in the aerobic group than the weightlifting group.
    The aerobic group lost a significant amount of lean body weight (51 to 47 kg). No decrease in lean body weight was observed in the weightlifting group.
    In addition, the weightlifting group had an increase in resting metabolic rate. The 24 hour resting metabolic rate decreased in the aerobic group.
  • MKEgal
    MKEgal Posts: 3,250 Member
    ninja wrote:
    When you have more muscle you burn more calories even at rest
    True, but it's not as big a change as most people seem to think. (And it's hard to gain muscle.)
    Fat burns 2 cal/lb/day, muscle burns 6.
    Here's a blog post discussing this, with links to articles & quotes from very knowledgable people.
  • glevinso
    glevinso Posts: 1,895 Member
    MKEgal wrote: »
    vorgas wrote:
    You should only lift if you want to improve your posture, bone density, balance, endurance, coordination, and confidence. If you don't want any of that, then stick with pure cardio.
    glevinso wrote:
    this is quite possibly the dumbest thing I have ever read here. Well that is exaggerating I guess... some of the stuff in the Lemon Cleanse thread might top it, but this is up there
    Why? Everything vorgas said is completely true (except perhaps endurance, that's more associated with cardio).

    I take issue with the "this is the only way to get these things". Also the clearly wrong "endurance" aspect.

    You don't *need* to lift to improve those things. In fact, I am going to have to pull out the much-loved chestnut here and say that is an extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence. Specifically I now need to see a study that shows that the only way to improve those things is through lifting.

    I am not arguing that lifting helps improve those things. Rather that it is the only way.
  • jennifershoo
    jennifershoo Posts: 3,198 Member
    LIFT!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 6,008 Member
    SkipDead wrote: »
    Should someone lift while they're trying to lose weight or should they worry about toning and the likes after they've reached their goal.

    "Toning" in essence is a product of stripping away fat to reveal the muscle underneath. This is accomplished by exercising (lifting and cardio) and maintaining a negative energy balance... So to answer your question, yes to lifting.
  • CA_Underdog
    CA_Underdog Posts: 733 Member
    edited February 2015
    glevinso wrote: »
    vorgas wrote:
    You should only lift if you want to improve your posture, bone density, balance, endurance, coordination, and confidence. If you don't want any of that, then stick with pure cardio.

    I take issue with the "this is the only way to get these things".

    He didn't say that. Semantically, "You should only take TYLENOL if you want to REDUCE A FEVER." does not mean "TYLENOL is the only way to REDUCE A FEVER." He does claims pure cardio won't reap those benefits--obvious for posture, dubious for endurance.
  • glevinso
    glevinso Posts: 1,895 Member
    glevinso wrote: »
    vorgas wrote:
    You should only lift if you want to improve your posture, bone density, balance, endurance, coordination, and confidence. If you don't want any of that, then stick with pure cardio.

    I take issue with the "this is the only way to get these things".

    He didn't say that. Semantically, "You should only take TYLENOL if you want to REDUCE A FEVER." does not mean "TYLENOL is the only way to REDUCE A FEVER." He does claims pure cardio won't reap those benefits--obvious for some, debatable for others.

    You contradict yourself. He claims cardio wont reap those benefits. I disagree completely with that assertion, and would like to see data regarding that. He also says if you want those benefits you *must* lift.

  • CA_Underdog
    CA_Underdog Posts: 733 Member
    edited February 2015
    glevinso wrote:
    You contradict yourself.
    Nope. You claimed vorgas said strength training "is the only way to get these things". I pointed out he only claimed strength training attains these and pure cardio does not.
    He also says if you want those benefits you *must* lift.
    Not in this thread.

    I agree lifting is clearly not the only way--e.g., bodyweight exercises. A push-up and a bench press have a great deal in common though not precisely the same.

  • AlisonH729
    AlisonH729 Posts: 558 Member
    glevinso wrote: »
    vorgas wrote: »
    You should only lift if you want to improve your posture, bone density, balance, endurance, coordination, and confidence. If you dont want any of that, then stick with pure cardio.

    Lol... this is quite possibly the dumbest thing I have ever read here. Well that is exaggerating I guess... some of the stuff in the Lemon Cleanse thread might top it, but this is up there

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  • punchgut
    punchgut Posts: 210 Member
    glevinso wrote: »
    vorgas wrote: »
    You should only lift if you want to improve your posture, bone density, balance, endurance, coordination, and confidence. If you dont want any of that, then stick with pure cardio.

    Lol... this is quite possibly the dumbest thing I have ever read here. Well that is exaggerating I guess... some of the stuff in the Lemon Cleanse thread might top it, but this is up there

    I'm not sure we're reading the same words. Vorgas is pretty spot on.
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