MFP saying 1100 cals a day?....... Super confused now, please help
rayrayfitz
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I have MFP a set on lightly active. I'm 5'1 and get 1370 cals a day. I do exercise a lot and some days will eat some cals back. Usually only once a week at about 1600 cals. I do this when I feel hungry.
I thought I'd set it to sedentary as some people suggest and eat back a percentage of exercise cals.
I swim 5 days a week, and started picking up classes, as well as a recent introduction of strength training.
I have MFP set to lose 2lb a week. I'm averaging 0.5lb despite all the accurate measuring etc, which I've accepted as I eat a lot of carbs and I have PCOS, I just figure for me it's going to be slow.
I've lost 3stone 9lb. I have at least 4 stone to go. Maybe more.
Anyway on my none exercise days I'm pretty sedentary as I'm a student and those are my study days, so it makes sense to set those to sedentary, and eat some exercise cals.
It calculates my cals at 1100. I can't even complete the diary without getting a warning I'm not eating enough, so why would it set me at 1100 cals.
So, am I eating too much?
I doubt it despite slow weight loss MFP a calculated me at about 8000 exercise cals burned a week. I know this could be over estimated. But if it's half that I'm anal about weighing and logging everything, I should in theory lose more than 0.5lb a week, I have MFP set to lose 2lb anyway.
Should I eat less? Ignore it? Carry on as I am?
I thought I'd set it to sedentary as some people suggest and eat back a percentage of exercise cals.
I swim 5 days a week, and started picking up classes, as well as a recent introduction of strength training.
I have MFP set to lose 2lb a week. I'm averaging 0.5lb despite all the accurate measuring etc, which I've accepted as I eat a lot of carbs and I have PCOS, I just figure for me it's going to be slow.
I've lost 3stone 9lb. I have at least 4 stone to go. Maybe more.
Anyway on my none exercise days I'm pretty sedentary as I'm a student and those are my study days, so it makes sense to set those to sedentary, and eat some exercise cals.
It calculates my cals at 1100. I can't even complete the diary without getting a warning I'm not eating enough, so why would it set me at 1100 cals.
So, am I eating too much?
I doubt it despite slow weight loss MFP a calculated me at about 8000 exercise cals burned a week. I know this could be over estimated. But if it's half that I'm anal about weighing and logging everything, I should in theory lose more than 0.5lb a week, I have MFP set to lose 2lb anyway.
Should I eat less? Ignore it? Carry on as I am?
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Wow, MFP automatically put **** for the word
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Hi! I just posted a blog that might help you out. Use the calculations to figure out what your body needs. Hope this helps!
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/Erika_Bee/view/are-you-eating-enough-to-lose-weight-7312530 -
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Thank you Erika!0 -
I'm REALLY confused now!
My BMR gave me 1600 cals a day.
My TDEE have me 2444. Based on exercise 3-5 times a week, I exercise at least 5 times a week.
So it's telling me to eat double what MFP is telling me to eat.
I'm scared if I eat more I'll put on weight.
I'm not losing it as it is. I was losing 1lb a week average for almost a year, now it's 0.5lb a week, despite an increase in exercise.
I vowed not to weigh myself...
Maybe I should weigh myself eat more for a week, and then re weigh?
I'm super confused as to what I should do!
Please help!
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Ok so the biggest thing is your body absolutely needs the extra calories if you are working out 5 times a week. I'm doing the same, and after a month had no results. But I was hardly eating over 1000 calories. Now that I am eating more, I am losing weight. When you exercise, your body speeds up your metabolism. If you are not eating enough, your body starts getting confused and has to go into energy saving mode. The biggest thing with eating more is you HAVE to balance your micros and macros. I have found MFP to be my greatest tool for doing this. I'm still not perfect with it, but I have gotten much better. Also, instead of 3 big meals with snacks in between, try 5-7 smaller, more balanced meals.
To calculate protein, carbs, fiber, and fat per day:
A. Body weight x 1.25 = grams protein
B. Body weight x .45 = grams fat
C. (grams protein above x 4) + (grams of fat above x 9) = calories from fat and protein
D. Starting calorie amount - calories from fat/protein = total calories from carbs
E. Calories from carbs / 4 = grams carbs
Other tips:
1. Take in 25-35 grams fiber per day
2. Keep sodium between 1500-2000 mg daily
3. On sedentary days drop carbs by 25%
4. Try to keep your sugar intake below 30 grams
5. Avoid fat and fiber in pre- and post- workout meals (keep fiber around 3 grams and fat under 4 grams)
I calculate my meal totals according to these numbers so that my meals are balanced, and I am not taking in all my carbs in one meal and fat in another. When you balance you nutrients, your body processes them easier, making them more digestible which is also why you are able to take in more calories per day. I wouldn't expect results the next day, but I am a week and a half into this method and I am finally starting to see the results I want.
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@rayrayfitz - you need to start including in your posts that you have PCOS. It is a metabolic disorder and it needs to be taken into consideration by people who want to help you. It basically makes all the online calculators pretty much irrelevant to your particular situation, and by leaving out that very key piece of information you are going to get lots of advice that is really useless to you. PCOS changes the "CICO" equation, sometimes quite significantly, because your body doesn't process carbs the same way as a person without PCOS. CICO will still work, but you have understand that YOUR CICO equation is different. Someone with identical stats to you who does NOT have PCOS, will (sadly) get to eat more calories than you because your body just does not work the same way. And Scooby's and all the other TDEE calcs out there assume you do not have any kind of underlying issue to muck up the equation.0
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Ok so the biggest thing is your body absolutely needs the extra calories if you are working out 5 times a week. I'm doing the same, and after a month had no results. But I was hardly eating over 1000 calories. Now that I am eating more, I am losing weight. When you exercise, your body speeds up your metabolism. If you are not eating enough, your body starts getting confused and has to go into energy saving mode. The biggest thing with eating more is you HAVE to balance your micros and macros. I have found MFP to be my greatest tool for doing this. I'm still not perfect with it, but I have gotten much better. Also, instead of 3 big meals with snacks in between, try 5-7 smaller, more balanced meals.
To calculate protein, carbs, fiber, and fat per day:
A. Body weight x 1.25 = grams protein
B. Body weight x .45 = grams fat
C. (grams protein above x 4) + (grams of fat above x 9) = calories from fat and protein
D. Starting calorie amount - calories from fat/protein = total calories from carbs
E. Calories from carbs / 4 = grams carbs
Other tips:
1. Take in 25-35 grams fiber per day
2. Keep sodium between 1500-2000 mg daily
3. On sedentary days drop carbs by 25%
4. Try to keep your sugar intake below 30 grams
5. Avoid fat and fiber in pre- and post- workout meals (keep fiber around 3 grams and fat under 4 grams)
I calculate my meal totals according to these numbers so that my meals are balanced, and I am not taking in all my carbs in one meal and fat in another. When you balance you nutrients, your body processes them easier, making them more digestible which is also why you are able to take in more calories per day. I wouldn't expect results the next day, but I am a week and a half into this method and I am finally starting to see the results I want.
Yes you should fuel workouts and you absolutely should eat back your exercise calories over the week (at least 50% of them)
But there is no starvation mode that switches your body into not losing weight when you eat too few calories. Your metabolism doesn't work like that, despite thermogenic adaptation which is minimal at best.
Meal timing also makes no difference, unless you like to eat more often
Bro-science is fun and supported by anecdotal evidence but unfortunately not backed by rigorous scientific studies, so whilst you've found your ideal path and that's great for you it isn't a roadmap for others
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Ok so the biggest thing is your body absolutely needs the extra calories if you are working out 5 times a week. I'm doing the same, and after a month had no results. But I was hardly eating over 1000 calories. Now that I am eating more, I am losing weight. When you exercise, your body speeds up your metabolism. If you are not eating enough, your body starts getting confused and has to go into energy saving mode. The biggest thing with eating more is you HAVE to balance your micros and macros. I have found MFP to be my greatest tool for doing this. I'm still not perfect with it, but I have gotten much better. Also, instead of 3 big meals with snacks in between, try 5-7 smaller, more balanced meals.
To calculate protein, carbs, fiber, and fat per day:
A. Body weight x 1.25 = grams protein
B. Body weight x .45 = grams fat
C. (grams protein above x 4) + (grams of fat above x 9) = calories from fat and protein
D. Starting calorie amount - calories from fat/protein = total calories from carbs
E. Calories from carbs / 4 = grams carbs
Other tips:
1. Take in 25-35 grams fiber per day
2. Keep sodium between 1500-2000 mg daily
3. On sedentary days drop carbs by 25%
4. Try to keep your sugar intake below 30 grams
5. Avoid fat and fiber in pre- and post- workout meals (keep fiber around 3 grams and fat under 4 grams)
I calculate my meal totals according to these numbers so that my meals are balanced, and I am not taking in all my carbs in one meal and fat in another. When you balance you nutrients, your body processes them easier, making them more digestible which is also why you are able to take in more calories per day. I wouldn't expect results the next day, but I am a week and a half into this method and I am finally starting to see the results I want.
Yes you should fuel workouts and you absolutely should eat back your exercise calories over the week (at least 50% of them)
But there is no starvation mode that switches your body into not losing weight when you eat too few calories. Your metabolism doesn't work like that, despite thermogenic adaptation which is minimal at best.
Meal timing also makes no difference, unless you like to eat more often
Bro-science is fun and supported by anecdotal evidence but unfortunately not backed by rigorous scientific studies, so whilst you've found your ideal path and that's great for you it isn't a roadmap for others
So would your opinion be set to sedentary and eat back Aprox half of exercise cals over a week?
Should I adjust that to 25% as I have PCOS as a compromise?
Thanks x
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You said you eat a lot of carbs and have pcos.. Have you considered playing with your macros?
A higher level of insulin, which is common in those with pcos, can make it difficult to maintain a healthy weight. I'm hypoglycemic and would also not lose on a low calorie diet with exercise because of the types of food I was eating. I have since gone keto..eating only 18g of net carbs per day and it has helped tremendously. I wouldn't recommend keto for someone who is accustomed to high carbs or without consulting a doctor.
However, it probably wouldn't hurt to look at what you are eating and when. It's important to incorporate fats and proteins with carbs in order to decrease insulin spikes. Also, consuming carbs that are also high in fiber will help. Lots of water is important, as well.
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I've tried to up my protein and lower my carbs but it just left me feeling shakey with no energy. I then crave carbs.
I have upped my protein but it's hard to without upping my fat as well. I don't each much meat either. Though I've started forcing myself to eat some turkey, I'm not a veggie. I just don't like the taste really.
I need a low fat diet as I had a scan and it revealed it had gallstones, scan was for something else and I've never had gallstone symptoms. The doc said if I keep to a low fat diet hopefully I will be one of the millions of ppl who have gallstones and don't know about it. We only know because an unrelated issue. So I need to try to keep my fat levels down.
I almost don't mind a slow weight loss if it's normal for me, I want to concentrate on my health and fitness, and lose weight as a side effect of that.
I just want to do it right and healthily, and it just confused as to how many cals I should be eating. X0 -
@rayrayfitz - you need to start including in your posts that you have PCOS. It is a metabolic disorder and it needs to be taken into consideration by people who want to help you. It basically makes all the online calculators pretty much irrelevant to your particular situation, and by leaving out that very key piece of information you are going to get lots of advice that is really useless to you. PCOS changes the "CICO" equation, sometimes quite significantly, because your body doesn't process carbs the same way as a person without PCOS. CICO will still work, but you have understand that YOUR CICO equation is different. Someone with identical stats to you who does NOT have PCOS, will (sadly) get to eat more calories than you because your body just does not work the same way. And Scooby's and all the other TDEE calcs out there assume you do not have any kind of underlying issue to muck up the equation.
See this confuses me also, as my GP told me that PCOS as and struggling to lose weight is an old wives tail and is an excuse for peopel who aren't motivated to lose weight, so I never thought it was relevant. He said nothing except a true thyroid issue would influence, and the effect PCOS has on your metabolism is "rubbish"
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rayrayfitz wrote: »@rayrayfitz - you need to start including in your posts that you have PCOS. It is a metabolic disorder and it needs to be taken into consideration by people who want to help you. It basically makes all the online calculators pretty much irrelevant to your particular situation, and by leaving out that very key piece of information you are going to get lots of advice that is really useless to you. PCOS changes the "CICO" equation, sometimes quite significantly, because your body doesn't process carbs the same way as a person without PCOS. CICO will still work, but you have understand that YOUR CICO equation is different. Someone with identical stats to you who does NOT have PCOS, will (sadly) get to eat more calories than you because your body just does not work the same way. And Scooby's and all the other TDEE calcs out there assume you do not have any kind of underlying issue to muck up the equation.
See this confuses me also, as my GP told me that PCOS as and struggling to lose weight is an old wives tail and is an excuse for peopel who aren't motivated to lose weight, so I never thought it was relevant. He said nothing except a true thyroid issue would influence, and the effect PCOS has on your metabolism is "rubbish"
Get a new doctor. Insulin resistance is real in women with hormonal issues and PCOS.
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I do wonder if you've found a glitch in the MFP app as the goal shouldn't go below 1,200. I get 1,280 cals a day if I set it at 1lb/week. Change it to 1.5lbs/week and it says 1,200. Change it to 2lbs a week and it still says 1,200. It's not meant to go below 1,200. What it's saying is that at my weight, I can't lose 2lbs a week without under-eating, so I have to go slower.
There's either a glitch in the app or you've previously edited your cals manually to 1,100 (you can edit what it shows) and now it doesn't update automatically when you change your goal. Maybe try re-installing the app.0 -
No effect on metabolic rate perhaps, but PCOS is associated with Insulin Resistance which may be a factor in obesity. Others have used a well formulated low carb diet to address PCOS successfully. Gallstones are usually a consequence of low fat dieting, as cholesterol builds up and becomes oversaturated.0
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http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/3300-pcos-and-low-glycemic-eating and other groups may help0
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No effect on metabolic rate perhaps, but PCOS is associated with Insulin Resistance which may be a factor in obesity. Others have used a well formulated low carb diet to address PCOS successfully. Gallstones are usually a consequence of low fat dieting, as cholesterol builds up and becomes oversaturated.
This. Fat is your friend.0 -
pinkteapot3 wrote: »I do wonder if you've found a glitch in the MFP app as the goal shouldn't go below 1,200. I get 1,280 cals a day if I set it at 1lb/week. Change it to 1.5lbs/week and it says 1,200. Change it to 2lbs a week and it still says 1,200. It's not meant to go below 1,200. What it's saying is that at my weight, I can't lose 2lbs a week without under-eating, so I have to go slower.
There's either a glitch in the app or you've previously edited your cals manually to 1,100 (you can edit what it shows) and now it doesn't update automatically when you change your goal. Maybe try re-installing the app.
I'll reinstall but I've never changed it from lightly active since I started a year ago, I've never manually entered any cals.0 -
blktngldhrt wrote: »No effect on metabolic rate perhaps, but PCOS is associated with Insulin Resistance which may be a factor in obesity. Others have used a well formulated low carb diet to address PCOS successfully. Gallstones are usually a consequence of low fat dieting, as cholesterol builds up and becomes oversaturated.
This. Fat is your friend.
Now I'm even more confused lol!
But thank you, I will read the links
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Carry on as you are doing. But let's see why MFP is giving you these number and look at a strategy for PCOS.
Let's look at the math:
You calculated your BMR and TDEE.
You got 2400 TDEE, BMR of 1600, which is in between lightly active and active.
That seems like a reasonable starting point. How would MFP use that?
Lets start with assuming that MFP uses the same base number:
--BMR 1600 * sedentary (1.25) ~ 2000 TDEE
--2lb loss = -3500 cals * 2 / 7 days ~ about - 900 to 1000 cals
This is why it MFP gives you 1100 cals for that type of cut. It makes sense from the math but it also assumes that you will be eating back your exercise activity.
What MFP is actually telling you for that weight loss of 2 lbs, is eat 1100 cals + exercise cals which is going to be around 1500? Or so. If you were on a TDEE-20% cut you would have to set your cals to 1920 for about a 1lb loss per week.
So MFP/TDEE cut method agree:
2lb loss: 1100 + exercise cals
1lb loss: probably 1600 + exercise cals
1lb loss (TDEE-20%): 1920 cals
But all of this is academic if you are losing only 0.5 lb per week at about 1400 avr where you should be expecting closer to 1 lb+ per week.
That just leads to frustration.
Let's look at some of the issues and make real recommendations.
First why can the numbers be off? Could be logging, could be weight loss is being hidden by exercise activity, could be the effects of PCOS. Whatever the reason, it suggests that short term thinking has to be replaced by long term tracking - if the weight loss is hidden normal water weight, TOMs, etc. it will only show up over longer tracking and "woosh" effects.
Your macros settings look fine.
You can keep your settings at 1100 + 240 of exercise cals and your 1600 days which puts you in about 1400 average a week. OR If the warning is bothering you - set MFP at 1340 and don't eat back exercise. But I don't like this because we sometimes lose the motivation for exercise.
Now to the nitty gritty of macros:
How good are you at hitting your macro over time? Are you keeping below the carb limit to see if that helps or is it impossible?
There are a few strategies for reducing carbs:
1) slow reduction - accept that you might be eating a lot of carbs and slowly track and reduce amount over time.
2) full carb reduction with refeeds - go on a LCHF to get some satisfying loss (a lot will be water weight) for a period of 6-8 weeks
3) embrace a low carb lifestyle - I'm not a fan, but a lot of people swear by that...
4) etc...
BUT whatever the strategy you choose - I would first just track and see where you are over time.
I'd say you want to be able to look at something like this and see how you are doing with carbs over time:
In summary Keep doing what you are doing your 1300/1600 is fine - see first if carbs are consistent, define a carb tracking/reduction strategy for 6-8 weeks, if you want to test, look at your data and determine if tenable (mentally). See if it improved loss rate.
DON'T GO CRAZY.
Oh, and use the tool - http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/EvgeniZyntx/view/mfp-data-export-tool-the-overview-659927
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To answer some of your confusion about the numbers, although that won't resolve the overall question, there are different formulas for BMR, and the most accurate will use your body fat percentage. In fact, without body fat, I think shorter people usually get a distorted BMR number (and thus TDEE number) IF their BF% is higher than average. I'm guessing yours is because of how much you say you have to lose and your height.
http://www.calculatorpro.com/calculator/katch-mcardle-bmr-calculator/ -- Here is Katch-McCardle, if you have an estimated BF%. It's generally considered the most accurate calculator and corrects the distortion I mentioned, although they are all just estimates and PCOS, among other things, may make your numbers lower. Anyway, experiment with it at different BF% levels and see how it makes a difference.
My thought is that your best evidence of your maintenance calories are your results, and the low number can be explained in part by an inflated BMR plus PCOS. As a result, you could get a better result from playing with macros, as others are saying. Far better than second guessing your current calorie level, which is probably not the issue.
Your MFP recommendation looks like it's custom for whatever reason, as 40-30-30 is not a default MFP rec. However, those numbers aren't different than the numbers you were given from the other TDEE calculator. MFP is saying that to lose 2 lbs/week while sedentary (which is likely just not reasonably possible for you because of your height and LBM, which are bigger influences on BMR than weight) you'd have to eat 1100, which means maintenance is 2100 without exercise (which frankly I doubt, that seems high due to the distortion I mentioned). The other calculator says 2400 with exercise--same basic thing (and apart from that the other calculator is Harris-Benedict, which does tend to calculate higher). The issue isn't MFP's recommendation, it's that you are losing only .5 lb with 1350 calories or some such. MFP would apparently say that you should lose 1.5 lb/week at that level if sedentary. Out of curiosity see what it says if you run that request.0 -
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rayrayfitz wrote: »
Thanks and just read the other posts and yes - fat is your friend in the sense that it is very necessary for the body, helps with hunger and with a fixed calorie diet it helps reduce carb and increase fullness.
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rayrayfitz wrote: »@rayrayfitz - you need to start including in your posts that you have PCOS. It is a metabolic disorder and it needs to be taken into consideration by people who want to help you. It basically makes all the online calculators pretty much irrelevant to your particular situation, and by leaving out that very key piece of information you are going to get lots of advice that is really useless to you. PCOS changes the "CICO" equation, sometimes quite significantly, because your body doesn't process carbs the same way as a person without PCOS. CICO will still work, but you have understand that YOUR CICO equation is different. Someone with identical stats to you who does NOT have PCOS, will (sadly) get to eat more calories than you because your body just does not work the same way. And Scooby's and all the other TDEE calcs out there assume you do not have any kind of underlying issue to muck up the equation.
See this confuses me also, as my GP told me that PCOS as and struggling to lose weight is an old wives tail and is an excuse for peopel who aren't motivated to lose weight, so I never thought it was relevant. He said nothing except a true thyroid issue would influence, and the effect PCOS has on your metabolism is "rubbish"
http://www.webmd.com/women/polycystic-ovary-syndrome-pcos-and-weight-gain
http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/2/1/35
http://humupd.oxfordjournals.org/content/19/5/432
The GP is wrong! While it is true that you can still lose weight with PCOS, it is well known that it makes it much more difficult due to metabolic syndrome that often accompanies PCOS.0
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