Less calories does NOT equal more weight loss

CountryGal83
CountryGal83 Posts: 640 Member
edited November 13 in Food and Nutrition
Hey, wondering if anyone could help me out with some nutrition articles I could pass along to a friend. She's limiting her calorie intake to 800 but only consuming about 600. She thinks less calories = more weight loss. I am no expert in this but was hoping someone could help me out a bit. Thanks!!

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  • UnicornAmanda
    UnicornAmanda Posts: 294 Member
    I really wish I could help. I do not understand why people think like that... It is so unhealthy....
  • Phoenix_Down
    Phoenix_Down Posts: 530 Member
    edited February 2015
    Less calories does equal more weight loss by the means of thermodynamics, however if she is truly consuming that little she will also lose muscle along with fat. And if done for an extended period, could negatively impact her metabolism, which includes things like her heart, her skin and nails would suffer. She'd be weak and risk injury.

    Assuming she is telling you this and is, in fact, eating so little, I'd encourage her to take weight loss at a sustainable pace for her health and enlighten her of it, as the scale isn't the end all.
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,222 Member
    She's right though. The problem with that is about food availability and she'll either binge or lie to herself or both. It's basically a disastrous way to try and lose weight.
  • evileen99
    evileen99 Posts: 1,564 Member
    http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/dangers-500-calorie-diets-2098.html

    http://www.livestrong.com/article/518807-negative-side-effects-of-eating-less-than-1-200-calories-a-day/

    "I would never recommend doing a very low-calorie diet alone," says Hernried. Patients at his clinic have bloodwork done biweekly and get regular electrocardiograms.
    "Absolutely these diets must be done under the care of a doctor," says CNNHealth.com's diet and fitness expert, Dr. Melina Jampolis, a physician nutrition specialist. "These things are not without risk."
    Heitman says he is thankful for the medical supervision he received while on the diet. "My hair did thin out and there were other side effects," he says. "There were leg cramps ... and now they're monitoring me for gallstones."
    Diets of less than 800 calories can lead to numerous complications, according to Jampolis, including heart arrhythmias, which could lead to death. Extreme dieters are also at risk of dehydration, electrolyte imbalance, low blood pressure and high uric acid, which could lead to gout or kidney stones, she says. Also, losing weight quickly could lead to gallstones and thinning hair because dieters are getting the minimum amount of nutrition, which can affect hair and bone density.
  • cityruss
    cityruss Posts: 2,493 Member
    As above. It does. The less you put in, the more the body has to find from elsewhere.

    Unhealthy and unsustainable. But it does.
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    It does...but it doesn't mean it's healthy. she will just burn up a lot of muscle and cause all kinds of other issues...probably lose her period...start losing her hair...nails will go brittle, etc. It'll be all kinds of fun. Then after that when she figures out how badly she *kitten* herself up she can spend all kinds of money getting counseling and therapy for her eating disorder.

    Maybe explain the dangers to her rather than trying to convince her that she won't lose weight.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,989 Member
    Well it does equal more weight loss. Unfortunately it's going to mean some weight loss she doesn't want (lean tissue). Also calories that low won't provide them with the ESSENTIALS they need to have a healthier living.
    But you can't force anyone to think right. You can encourage and inspire and the rest is up to them.
    Sometimes people have to do things the wrong way to learn the right way.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

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  • CountryGal83
    CountryGal83 Posts: 640 Member
    I understand she will lose weight, I just don't want her to lose weight and be unhealthy. I want to see her succeed in this and be healthy while doing it. Thanks for the links @evileen99, I appreciate it.
  • ChrisM8971
    ChrisM8971 Posts: 1,067 Member
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    Well it does equal more weight loss. Unfortunately it's going to mean some weight loss she doesn't want (lean tissue). Also calories that low won't provide them with the ESSENTIALS they need to have a healthier living.
    But you can't force anyone to think right. You can encourage and inspire and the rest is up to them.
    Sometimes people have to do things the wrong way to learn the right way.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

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    This but unfortunately it is so difficult to convince someone to change their thinking. The body can only metabolise so much fatty tissue and large deficits lead to a higher loss of lbm and the result they achieve is unfortunately not what they were looking for.

    Suggest they research VLCD's further, especially the potential side affects and be there for support when they need it
  • FaylinaMeir
    FaylinaMeir Posts: 661 Member
    it does lead to more weight loss but it also leads to NUMEROUS health problems and death and she might need help for an eating disorder. If you're really concerned I would consider talking to her family.
  • ibnfaqir
    ibnfaqir Posts: 139 Member
    Eat more move more is my mantra. I tried the prolonged eating less strategy it worked for a while then I stalled and couldn't go any lower without losing significant muscle mass. I had to up my calories by a big amount and made my workouts more intense. That seemed to be the sweet spot.
  • sixxpoint
    sixxpoint Posts: 3,529 Member
    The dangers of extremely low daily calorie intake is malnourishment, muscle loss, and decreased overall health.

    Plain and simple. It is not a routine that I would recommend to anyone EVER.

    Even someone on a hospital bed in a Coma would be given more calories than that.
  • discretekim
    discretekim Posts: 314 Member
    Plus eating that low of calories causes a level of fixation that is similar to eating disorders. Which can lead to a full blown eating disorder.
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  • jessef593
    jessef593 Posts: 2,272 Member
    Diet and exercise are the primary ways of wait loss. Eating a balanced diet consisting of healthy fats from nuts, seeds, and fish, vitamin rich veggies, fruits, healthy grains(sprouted being my favourite) and last but not least protein, which plays a major role in maintainable, repair, production, and weight lost. Eat at a healthy calorie amount. 14-16 calories per pound of body weight, and create a deficit through exercise! Being both cardio and strength training. She will not get bulky from lifting weights, but instead slim her body, increase her metabolism, and resting metabolic rate. And not too mention the lists of health benefits associated with strength training. Your body needs a balance of all 3 macros to function properly. Skinny does not mean healthy in anyway. Ask any ectomorph who can eat 3 Big Macs in a sitting and lose weight. Healthy and balanced diet equals slim and increased energy
  • honkytonks85
    honkytonks85 Posts: 669 Member
    Your friend will lose more if she eats fewer calories. She just may be depriving herself of nutrients that her body needs to function well.
  • jennifer_417
    jennifer_417 Posts: 12,344 Member
    Well, not to split hairs, but technically fewer calories DOES mean more weight loss. However, that does not mean that what your friend is doing is healthy.

    Restricting too much, for most people, ends up with binging, because a person can only being hungry for so long. If the person continues trying to restrict that much, they will frequently end up in an overrestricting/ binging cycle that will not help them at all.
  • yarwell
    yarwell Posts: 10,477 Member
    Hey, wondering if anyone could help me out with some nutrition articles I could pass along to a friend. She's limiting her calorie intake to 800 but only consuming about 600. She thinks less calories = more weight loss. I am no expert in this but was hoping someone could help me out a bit. Thanks!!

    If the friend is obese and the diet is nutritionally complete and she's doing it for 6-8 weeks then fair enough. If these don't apply then less so.

    But CICO dictates better weight loss at lower calories in.
  • awesomejdad
    awesomejdad Posts: 493 Member
    This is what you need to say to your friend. "Food is nutrition, you do realize that right?"
  • trinatrina1984
    trinatrina1984 Posts: 1,018 Member
    Maybe she's just not ready to take weight loss seriously, I think a lot of people go through stages of unrealistic yo yo dieting until something clicks and you start to think about food / health differently. For me joining MFP and reading and learning is what really changed my mind set.

    Why don't you suggest if she is serious that she sign up here and find what works for her in a healthy way. If she is determined to carry on with her crazy diet I guess all you can do is be there to pick her up when she falls on her face.
  • amusedmonkey
    amusedmonkey Posts: 10,330 Member
    ChrisM8971 wrote: »
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    Well it does equal more weight loss. Unfortunately it's going to mean some weight loss she doesn't want (lean tissue). Also calories that low won't provide them with the ESSENTIALS they need to have a healthier living.
    But you can't force anyone to think right. You can encourage and inspire and the rest is up to them.
    Sometimes people have to do things the wrong way to learn the right way.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    9285851.png

    This but unfortunately it is so difficult to convince someone to change their thinking. The body can only metabolise so much fatty tissue and large deficits lead to a higher loss of lbm and the result they achieve is unfortunately not what they were looking for.

    Suggest they research VLCD's further, especially the potential side affects and be there for support when they need it

    Even though it does, I actually did manage to convince a friend that a more muscle sparing diet (higher in calories slower in loss) would have her looking better than losing fast, since she is losing weight to look good in a bikini, and skinny fat is not exactly what people have in mind when they have such a goal. People like this tend to respond well to body fat vs weight comparison photos like this one:

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