Need advice, what am I doing wrong?
RedPillAlpha
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I started going clubbing when I was 18, I used to have no confidence but then I used alcohol to give me confidence to talk to girls so I could have a few one night stands.
I then started getting depressed any night when I couldn't pull a girl so I started going to the gym thinking that it would make things easier if I improved my appearance, I spent a lot of time talking to others online who were trying to do improve themselves but I just ended up becoming more insecure. My face and body are now better looking but I have less confidence in myself because I am not yet at my goal and feel worthless. Alcohol no longer gives me the same confidence that it used to so I have to binge drink a lot in order to get courage to approach girls. I noticed that since I became better looking I can grab a girl on the dance floor and start making out with her without having to say a word, however by this stage I am so drunk that I'm not able to talk to her properly and convince her to come home with me.
It's funny how I thought something would solve my problems but it just made them worse.
What should I do now?
I then started getting depressed any night when I couldn't pull a girl so I started going to the gym thinking that it would make things easier if I improved my appearance, I spent a lot of time talking to others online who were trying to do improve themselves but I just ended up becoming more insecure. My face and body are now better looking but I have less confidence in myself because I am not yet at my goal and feel worthless. Alcohol no longer gives me the same confidence that it used to so I have to binge drink a lot in order to get courage to approach girls. I noticed that since I became better looking I can grab a girl on the dance floor and start making out with her without having to say a word, however by this stage I am so drunk that I'm not able to talk to her properly and convince her to come home with me.
It's funny how I thought something would solve my problems but it just made them worse.
What should I do now?
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Stop relying on alcohol to give you liquid courage. If you wanna talk to a girl, take to her. The worst she can do is tell you she's not interested. Also, if you act like a horny, drunk pig no girl is going to want to go home with you.0
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justinegibbons wrote: »Stop relying on alcohol to give you liquid courage. If you wanna talk to a girl, take to her. The worst she can do is tell you she's not interested. Also, if you act like a horny, drunk pig no girl is going to want to go home with you.
I've had many girls brush me off by turning away from me or shoving their hand in my face just after I said "hi, how are you" to them so telling me she's not interested isn't the worst thing she can do. Lol at saying I shouldn't need liquid courage, I can barely approach a girl when I'm intoxicated how am I going to do it when I'm sober
I am 6'4 and 190 lbs, I thought that women would treat me in the same manner that men treat petite,slim girls
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A nice appearance is great, don't get me wrong, but there needs to be something fun and interesting behind it. It's crucial to the vibe you put out. Aside from your looks, who are you? Let people know in a light and approachable way.0
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A nice appearance is great, don't get me wrong, but there needs to be something fun and interesting behind it. It's crucial to the vibe you put out.
But I want women to approach me and show me their personalities, why should it be my job to impress someone who is below me? I went clubbing witha guy a few nights ago who was the same height as me but had a better physique and an 8/10 face, girls were practically grabbing out of him but he had a girlfriend0 -
RedPillAlpha wrote: »But I want women to approach me and show me their personalities, why should it be my job to impress someone who is below me? I went clubbing witha guy a few nights ago who was the same height as me but had a better physique and an 8/10 face, girls were practically grabbing out of him but he had a girlfriend
Are you playing a character or do you actually think this way?0 -
RedPillAlpha wrote: »But I want women to approach me and show me their personalities, why should it be my job to impress someone who is below me? I went clubbing witha guy a few nights ago who was the same height as me but had a better physique and an 8/10 face, girls were practically grabbing out of him but he had a girlfriend
Are you playing a character or do you actually think this way?
I am being serious
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RedPillAlpha wrote: »I am being serious
Ah, then I can't help ya bud because I can't relate. Good luck, though.0 -
RedPillAlpha wrote: »I am being serious
Ah, then I can't help ya bud because I can't relate. Good luck, though.
Thank you anyway, I rarely find people that I can relate to tbh0 -
If you are playing the game of trying to impress people to get sex, insecurity is an integral part of it. Maybe it is time for you to have some more mature goals.0
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Girls love confident men. They also like men who take charge. I kinda use to be the same way myself back then, but these days I use my sense of humor to talk them. Be the guy who takes charge don't be like that one guy hoping that she'll grab you out of the blue cause to me that sounds like wishful thinking.0
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haleklausen wrote: »Girls love confident men. They also like men who take charge. I kinda use to be the same way myself back then, but these days I use my sense of humor to talk them. Be the guy who takes charge don't be like that one guy hoping that she'll grab you out of the blue cause to me that sounds like wishful thinking.
I'm not gonna try be someone that I'm not to impress a girl, going to the gym and dressing better, taking care of my skin etc has made me feel better about myself but it cannot change my personality. I need to be an arrogant, loud jerk who tries to be center of attention all the time to get girls at that isn't me
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Lol how's that working out for you so far?0
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I feel like killing myself0
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Stop don't be like. So far you have three good things going on for yourself. Your obviously smart, in shape, and young. So don't even trip about it.0
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If what you're doing isn't working, do something different. Maybe stop clubbing and start trying to meet girls in different ways. Take up a unisex sport. Volunteer. Go out with friends (to places other than clubs). Work on your personality issues (see quote:)But I want women to approach me and show me their personalities, why should it be my job to impress someone who is below me?
Maybe instead of trying to hook up, work on dating skills and relationship skills.0 -
haleklausen wrote: »Stop don't be like. So far you have three good things going on for yourself. Your obviously smart, in shape, and young. So don't even trip about it.
Thanks, it's just depressing me that I am working so hard to improve myself but the one thing that is the hardest to change is the way I act in social situations, then I see some guy who did nothing to improve himself but is naturally good in social situations getting with girls0 -
Physique is a good start because physical attraction is important but if you haven't got anything to back it up with girls will soon realise and lose interest. Why not work on becoming a more interesting person. Pursue some interests or hobbies that you like and start taking an interest in current affairs etc. At least then you'll have something to talk about with them. Bonus points if you can somehow meet a girl while pursuing your interests because then you'll have something in common.0
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Troll la la la la...................0
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Are you serious with the women are below you? That might be your problem, not your looks.0
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ShellyBell999 wrote: »Troll la la la la...................
yup not sure I am buyin this one either0 -
Physique is a good start because physical attraction is important but if you haven't got anything to back it up with girls will soon realise and lose interest. Why not work on becoming a more interesting person. Pursue some interests or hobbies that you like and start taking an interest in current affairs etc. At least then you'll have something to talk about with them. Bonus points if you can somehow meet a girl while pursuing your interests because then you'll have something in common.
I like discussing stuff like why the universe started, are we in control of ourselves or has everything already been mapped out for us, can our energy live on or are we just a combination of cells that will rot in the ground. I've yet to find a girl who is interested in that stuff and I can only talk to it with people I am comfortable with, it doesn't really work as an ice breaker. I noticed that the guys who are most successful can legit talk about anything without having to think, they could keep a conversation going by talking about tables or some random stuff whereas I feel like an idiot if I say something that I don't think is relevant. I gave up my hobbies to focus on lifting and dieting which is the most boring but most rewarding hobby there is
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RedPillAlpha wrote: »0
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ShellyBell999 wrote: »Troll la la la la...................
yup not sure I am buyin this one either
It makes me annoyed that you think I am such a freak that my situation can't be real, I used to think that everyone else had simple minds and mine was too complex to relate but now I am less narcissistic and think that I am the simple one who is too stupid to accept what everyone else can so easily accept0 -
Sweets1954 wrote: »Are you serious with the women are below you? That might be your problem, not your looks.
I meant in terms of appearance, I only go for girls that I deem to be less attractive than myself0 -
As a clubbing girl with an insight into these things, I’m gonna tell it to you straight.
There are (generally) three reasons girls go to clubs.
- Just there to dance/with friends (they aren’t interested in you, or anyone. Respect them and leave them alone.)
- Looking for love (grabbing her and making out with her is going to give her the VERY CORRECT impression that she and you aren’t looking for the same thing)
- Looking to get laid.
I assume that’s the type you’re looking for. But that doesn’t mean they’re not going to go home with any guy who expresses interest. Some certified ways to turn girls off include:
- Being too drunk. It’s just not attractive. When you get drunk, you get sloppy, which in turn is gross and off-putting, and gives the impression that you can’t control yourself and don’t know your limits.
- Touching us without making sure it’s okay first. I can’t count the number of times some random has walked up to me without a word and started thrusting his crotch at various parts of my body. Would you do that to a stranger in public? No? Well, just because you’re in a club doesn’t stop it from being sexual harassment. DON’T DO IT.
- Guys with unattractive personalities. Some girls who just want a one-night stand can overlook this, but generally, personality is important to us even outside of a relationship.
Personality is not only conveyed through speech, it’s about your atmosphere, body language and the way you behave. If your only hobbies are drinking, working on your muscles and trying to bed girls you met in clubs? Sorry to be blunt, but that’s pretty shallow.
If the only personality you’re conveying to these girls is shallow and insecure, then most of the time they won’t be interested. If you have no people skills? Doesn't matter how great your body is.
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Girls that will get with you just for your looks are girls that wont stay around for long.
My longest relationship was with a guy that was about 30-50lbs overweight and had some acne scars. He wasn't traditionally attractive by societies standards, but he was such a kind a genuine person.. it didn't matter what he looked like. When I first met him I wasn't attracted to him, but we got to know each other and as I fell in love with him as a person, he became beautiful to me.
Physical appearance isn't very important in the long run. It fades. Focus on letting your personality shine and work towards being a better person.. the girls will notice.0 -
RedPillAlpha wrote: »But I want women to approach me
Not going to happen unless you are approaching MM aesthetics and high SMV.
Stop drinking to approach girls. This isn't the way to get over approach anxiety, it is just a crutch. By the end of the night you are a probably a drunk mess.
Clubs are the worst place to meet girls (srs). Go to have fun with your friends, but if you go with the pickup mindset you already put yourself in a position of disadvantage by basing your night on having to pick up/get laid = desperation and validation seeking.
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leut_underpants wrote: »
That was all way above the reading level of a troll.
I dunno, some trolls are very literate. Maybe not this one though, doesn't seem to understand the idea of paragraphs.
And who knows, maybe other guys are reading this thread and will get the hint that most girls in clubs don't want a stranger's phallus all up in their grill. It's surprising how many just don't seem to realise this.0 -
Binge drinking is not a good way to overcome this struggle. You have outlined that yourself in your post. However, you have noticed that changing your outside didn't change how you feel inside. Congratulations on identifying the underlying issue, which is that you lack confidence. I suggest that you watch the following TED talk by Amy Cuddy: http://www.ted.com/talks/amy_cuddy_your_body_language_shapes_who_you_are?language=en
In short, you can fake your mind into believing that you are confident by using your body. If you do it enough you will actually become more confident as a person. This is based on science and research even though it sounds like BS it actually works.
Additionally, understand that women are not a one size fits crowd is key. Confidence is sexy, but being drunk and overly touchy screams that your a jerk. Try to remember that girls will give you lots of non-verbal ques that should help you decide if she likes you or not. Smiling, prolonged eye contact, and anytime a girl goes out of her way to initiate touching you is a green light. If in anyway she looks pissed off or seems to inviting her friends to act as a buffer to keep you away understand she is telling you politely to get lost. I hope this helps!0 -
Girls that will get with you just for your looks are girls that wont stay around for long.
Physical appearance isn't very important in the long run. It fades. Focus on letting your personality shine and work towards being a better person.. the girls will notice.
The thing is girls are very skeptical of me at the start and never seem to give me a chance, there was one girl who I was meeting for a while and I think she liked me after spending some time with me, every week she would text me asking to come back to her place, I wasn't really attracted to her though, after I got with her the first time I was already thinking about the next girl.
I think I try to be too nice to the people that I like which leads them to seeing me as a looser whereas the ones I have no interest in I tend to ignore them so they wonder why I'm giving them no attention
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