Sugar
Lithinissi
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is sugar from fruits just as bad as refined sugar??
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Unless you have a specific medical condition, sugar is not bad in the context of a healthy, balanced diet that achieves your nutritional and performance objectives.0
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It all has the same effects on your body, and there is no need to worry unless you have a medical reason to limit sugar.
Also, please use the search function, because there are a lot of these threads going on at the moment and they always start a huge debate.0 -
Yes it is just as bad, which is to say it's not bad at all.*
*in reasonable amounts, yadda yadda, don't eat whole bags of sugar each day.0 -
In.
I ate sugary foods in moderation, lost 121 pounds doing that and been maintaining now for 6 months, also I no longer have heart disease!!!0 -
KayleneP83 wrote: »is sugar from fruits just as bad as refined sugar??
IMO, no. Fruit comes already packaged with fiber and nutrients. You can eat refined sugar with fiber and nutrients, but it comes with only one nutrient. So, outside the context of your total diet (which is the determining factor in health and weight), fruit wins.0 -
Your body processes sugar and the natural sugars found in fruit in the same way. They have the same effect on the body. Neither is bad...even diabetics need some sugar. Eat a healthy well-balanced diet and you will be fine. If your are trying to lose with just maintain a calorie deficit.0
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Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »It all has the same effects on your body, .
Can you explain? How could fruit and plain sugar have the same effects on your body? What effects do you mean?0 -
kamakazeekim wrote: »Your body processes sugar and the natural sugars found in fruit in the same way. They have the same effect on the body.
?? Fiber and vitamins and minerals and antioxidants and sugars have the same effect as refined sugar? No. Digestion is different, nutrition is different, affect on blood glucose levels may be different.0 -
KayleneP83 wrote: »is sugar from fruits just as bad as refined sugar??
Oh good. This thread again.
As a first step, you might want to demonstrate why, exactly, either one of them is "bad".
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Thank you. 0 -
Sugar in fruit is wrapped in a lovely fiber sandwich which slows digestion (good) and fruits also have vitamins.0
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »It all has the same effects on your body, .
Can you explain? How could fruit and plain sugar have the same effects on your body? What effects do you mean?
I mean your body processes it the same. And if eaten to excess, any sugar (or any other macronutrient) will make you gain weight.
If you are otherwise eating a balanced diet, counting calories, and meeting macros, sugar (natural or otherwise) will have no negative effects on your body.
Sorry if I worded it weird - it has been a long day.0 -
KayleneP83 wrote: »is sugar from fruits just as bad as refined sugar??
Oh good. This thread again.
As a first step, you might want to demonstrate why, exactly, either one of them is "bad".
My thoughts exactly.0 -
Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »It all has the same effects on your body, .
Can you explain? How could fruit and plain sugar have the same effects on your body? What effects do you mean?
I mean your body processes it the same. And if eaten to excess, any sugar (or any other macronutrient) will make you gain weight.
If you are otherwise eating a balanced diet, counting calories, and meeting macros, sugar (natural or otherwise) will have no negative effects on your body.
Sorry if I worded it weird - it has been a long day.
While I agree with most of this response (whether sugar has a negative affect could vary), your body most assuredly does not process plain refined sugar and fruit the same.0 -
I'm just trying to figure this all out. I love fruit but I'm going over in sugar according to fitnesspal.
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »kamakazeekim wrote: »Your body processes sugar and the natural sugars found in fruit in the same way. They have the same effect on the body.
?? Fiber and vitamins and minerals and antioxidants and sugars have the same effect as refined sugar? No. Digestion is different, nutrition is different, affect on blood glucose levels may be different.
We're not talking vitamins, minerals and atioxidants though. We're talking sugar. And fact is, sucrose = glucose + fructose and your body splits it into those two. Fruits contain glucose + fructose. The sugars are all the same in the end.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »It all has the same effects on your body, .
Can you explain? How could fruit and plain sugar have the same effects on your body? What effects do you mean?
I mean your body processes it the same. And if eaten to excess, any sugar (or any other macronutrient) will make you gain weight.
If you are otherwise eating a balanced diet, counting calories, and meeting macros, sugar (natural or otherwise) will have no negative effects on your body.
Sorry if I worded it weird - it has been a long day.
While I agree with most of this response (whether sugar has a negative affect could vary), your body most assuredly does not process plain refined sugar and fruit the same.
Okay.
I'm sorry but I'm not going to argue with you over the metabolic pathway that each different sugar molecule goes through during metabolism. I will say that the end product and result is the same and the effect (none, barring a medical condition) will be the same.
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Refined sugar [edited] is basically the same as sugar from fruit, if isolated. (In other words, sugar from cane or beets is basically the same as sugar from fruit, although there are slight differences that probably don't matter much to what you care about, like that fructose tends to be metabolized by the liver.)
However, an apple is NOT the same as some M&Ms, rather obviously. The apple (although not the sugar in the apple) has various micronutrients and fiber that are not in the M&Ms.
Similarly, an apple is NOT the same as a cookie. As with the M&Ms, the apple has more micronutrients and fiber (usually, depending on the cookie). Also, for what it's worth, the apple could quite possibly have MORE sugar than the cookie (I'm using a cookie recipe I have on MFP), but the cookie has more calories, because it comes with calories from other ingredients too, like butter (the biggest source) and flour.
As you can see, I hope, focusing on sugar rather than the foods themselves is typically a mistake.
I'd also say that neither a cookie nor M&Ms is bad, but you'd probably want to make sure you limit your consumption of them. Obviously, you also wouldn't want a diet made up disproportionately of apples (there are other important things apples cannot provide), but fewer people seem to do that than with the sweets.0 -
Now come on, I thought we agreed to switch bad and good to "ideal" and "not ideal". Fruit sugar is an ideal sugar. Refined sugar is the devil. kidding. don't kill me.
Seriously though. Fruit is awesome.
My scientific reply.0 -
herrspoons wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »It all has the same effects on your body, .
Can you explain? How could fruit and plain sugar have the same effects on your body? What effects do you mean?
I mean your body processes it the same. And if eaten to excess, any sugar (or any other macronutrient) will make you gain weight.
If you are otherwise eating a balanced diet, counting calories, and meeting macros, sugar (natural or otherwise) will have no negative effects on your body.
Sorry if I worded it weird - it has been a long day.
While I agree with most of this response (whether sugar has a negative affect could vary), your body most assuredly does not process plain refined sugar and fruit the same.
How about for once you don't go off at a tangent? The sugar from fruit is processed in the same way as table sugar. That's what was asked, not any release mechanisms involved.
Who asked if it was processed the same way? Processed by who/what?0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »kamakazeekim wrote: »Your body processes sugar and the natural sugars found in fruit in the same way. They have the same effect on the body.
?? Fiber and vitamins and minerals and antioxidants and sugars have the same effect as refined sugar? No.
I assume the point is that the sugar in the fruit doesn't have fiber, etc. (This is why juice isn't great to consume a lot of, though it does have some micronutrients.) Obviously, a piece of fruit and a spoonful of sugar (which is an ingredient, not really a food that people eat on its own) are different.
Is there much of a difference in the healthiness of some apple sauce made with just apples and some rhubarb/cranberry sauce with a little added sugar? Probably not, IMO.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »kamakazeekim wrote: »Your body processes sugar and the natural sugars found in fruit in the same way. They have the same effect on the body.
?? Fiber and vitamins and minerals and antioxidants and sugars have the same effect as refined sugar? No. Digestion is different, nutrition is different, affect on blood glucose levels may be different.
We're not talking vitamins, minerals and atioxidants though. We're talking sugar. And fact is, sucrose = glucose + fructose and your body splits it into those two. Fruits contain glucose + fructose. The sugars are all the same in the end.
If you are comparing the sugar in fruit to refined sugar, then you have to compare fruit to sugar. Unless you are suggesting we all remove the sugar from the fruit and consume the fruit sugar alone.0 -
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »kamakazeekim wrote: »Your body processes sugar and the natural sugars found in fruit in the same way. They have the same effect on the body.
?? Fiber and vitamins and minerals and antioxidants and sugars have the same effect as refined sugar? No. Digestion is different, nutrition is different, affect on blood glucose levels may be different.
We're not talking vitamins, minerals and atioxidants though. We're talking sugar. And fact is, sucrose = glucose + fructose and your body splits it into those two. Fruits contain glucose + fructose. The sugars are all the same in the end.
If you are comparing the sugar in fruit to refined sugar, then you have to compare fruit to sugar. Unless you are suggesting we all remove the sugar from the fruit and consume the fruit sugar alone.
She asked specifically about the sugar. Not if fruit is more nutritious. She asked if the sugar in fruit is just as bad as refined sugar.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »
She asked specifically about the sugar. Not if fruit is more nutritious. She asked if the sugar in fruit is just as bad as refined sugar.
But you can't really divorce the sugar in fruit from the fruit itself, which has an effect on its overall nutritional value.
In the same you cannot say that food X is good or bad, in a vacuum, you certainly can't say that ingredient X is good or bad.
I get that it's "what she asked," but the point is that the question itself is ill-formed.
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The fruit is digested differently than say, a spoonful of "free sugar" (I'm switching to the WHO definition. I'm sure they slaved over that one). The fiber in fruit slows digestion somewhat.
BUT as for how the body uses that sugar, it could care less if it came from a spoon or an apple. Glucose and Fructose.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »kamakazeekim wrote: »Your body processes sugar and the natural sugars found in fruit in the same way. They have the same effect on the body.
?? Fiber and vitamins and minerals and antioxidants and sugars have the same effect as refined sugar? No. Digestion is different, nutrition is different, affect on blood glucose levels may be different.
We're not talking vitamins, minerals and atioxidants though. We're talking sugar. And fact is, sucrose = glucose + fructose and your body splits it into those two. Fruits contain glucose + fructose. The sugars are all the same in the end.
If you are comparing the sugar in fruit to refined sugar, then you have to compare fruit to sugar. Unless you are suggesting we all remove the sugar from the fruit and consume the fruit sugar alone.
She asked specifically about the sugar. Not if fruit is more nutritious. She asked if the sugar in fruit is just as bad as refined sugar.
And again I say, if you are comparing the sugar in fruit to refined sugar, then you have to compare fruit to sugar. You don't get one without the other, unless it's refined sugar.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »kamakazeekim wrote: »Your body processes sugar and the natural sugars found in fruit in the same way. They have the same effect on the body.
?? Fiber and vitamins and minerals and antioxidants and sugars have the same effect as refined sugar? No. Digestion is different, nutrition is different, affect on blood glucose levels may be different.
We're not talking vitamins, minerals and atioxidants though. We're talking sugar. And fact is, sucrose = glucose + fructose and your body splits it into those two. Fruits contain glucose + fructose. The sugars are all the same in the end.
If you are comparing the sugar in fruit to refined sugar, then you have to compare fruit to sugar. Unless you are suggesting we all remove the sugar from the fruit and consume the fruit sugar alone.
She asked specifically about the sugar. Not if fruit is more nutritious. She asked if the sugar in fruit is just as bad as refined sugar.
And again I say, if you are comparing the sugar in fruit to refined sugar, then you have to compare fruit to sugar. You don't get one without the other, unless it's refined sugar.
Then I say to that you don't shovel just sugar in your mouth either. So you'd have to compare fruit to whatever foods with added sugar she eats if you want to go that way.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »kamakazeekim wrote: »Your body processes sugar and the natural sugars found in fruit in the same way. They have the same effect on the body.
?? Fiber and vitamins and minerals and antioxidants and sugars have the same effect as refined sugar? No. Digestion is different, nutrition is different, affect on blood glucose levels may be different.
We're not talking vitamins, minerals and atioxidants though. We're talking sugar. And fact is, sucrose = glucose + fructose and your body splits it into those two. Fruits contain glucose + fructose. The sugars are all the same in the end.
If you are comparing the sugar in fruit to refined sugar, then you have to compare fruit to sugar. Unless you are suggesting we all remove the sugar from the fruit and consume the fruit sugar alone.
She asked specifically about the sugar. Not if fruit is more nutritious. She asked if the sugar in fruit is just as bad as refined sugar.
And again I say, if you are comparing the sugar in fruit to refined sugar, then you have to compare fruit to sugar. You don't get one without the other, unless it's refined sugar.
Then I say to that you don't shovel just sugar in your mouth either. So you'd have to compare fruit to whatever foods with added sugar she eats if you want to go that way.
Agree. I said that in my first response.0 -
Oh my goodness gracious.
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