Conflicting Information

danipals
danipals Posts: 143 Member
edited September 27 in Health and Weight Loss
Does anyone else get overwhelmed by all the conflicting information out there? Maybe I read up too much on diet and fitness but I have to say I'm still confused! It seems like every book and program stresses something else that is important. As it is I can't figure out what to do for exercise today! It seems like half the info says strength, strength, strength, and the other half says to lose weight you need cardio, cardio, cardio! Then it's lifting heavy or lifting more reps....running 60 minutes or running intervals for 30 minutes. Then there is diet...protein and carbs with every meal, lower carbs...lots of fruits and veggies...watch out for the sugar in veggies...eat back exercise calories...don't eat them back...

I so want to do what is going to have the most positive effects the quickest but don't know which info to rely upon! Argh....

Thanks fo the venting!

Danielle

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  • potluck965
    potluck965 Posts: 529 Member
    The trouble is that no one thing works for everyone. You just have to take what suggestions sound doable and try. If one approach doesn't work, try another.

    I find that some ways are just impossible to work into my lifestyle. You have to do what is right for you, but sometimes it takes a while to figure out exactly what that is.
  • codexavellum
    codexavellum Posts: 112
    Couldn't agree more!
  • therobinator
    therobinator Posts: 832 Member
    For exercise, I say everything in moderation, and don't get stuck in a routine that your body will get used to.

    For food, read this: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/234218-micronutrients-calories-exercising-lots-of-info-here
  • rfcollins33
    rfcollins33 Posts: 630
    No!! You are not alone!!! lol.... I guess we just have to dibble dabble around until we find what works for us.
  • MB_Positif
    MB_Positif Posts: 8,897 Member
    Well, I think there's conflicting information because different things work for different bodies too. For me personally I am one of the people who can bulk up really fast from lifting so I keep my weight light because at this point in my life I am not trying to get bigger!! :)
  • therealangd
    therealangd Posts: 1,861 Member
    You have to take all the information that you read and decide for yourself what resonates with you; What makes sense to you. But number one priority is to read, read, read. The more informed you are, on both sides of everything, the more you can make decisions and opinions on what you believe. The second most important thing is experience. Do what works for you. Try different things. The third most important thing is to understand that no matter what you believe and what your experience, someone else's is going to be different.
  • atsteele
    atsteele Posts: 1,358 Member
    Does anyone else get overwhelmed by all the conflicting information out there? Maybe I read up too much on diet and fitness but I have to say I'm still confused! It seems like every book and program stresses something else that is important. As it is I can't figure out what to do for exercise today! It seems like half the info says strength, strength, strength, and the other half says to lose weight you need cardio, cardio, cardio! Then it's lifting heavy or lifting more reps....running 60 minutes or running intervals for 30 minutes. Then there is diet...protein and carbs with every meal, lower carbs...lots of fruits and veggies...watch out for the sugar in veggies...eat back exercise calories...don't eat them back...

    I so want to do what is going to have the most positive effects the quickest but don't know which info to rely upon! Argh....

    Thanks fo the venting!

    I know!! We should come with a manual!! LOL But really it comes down to the basics: eat well (and not too much) and get some exercise, every day if you can. The more you exercise, the more you can eat without gaining weight. Good luck!! :D

    Danielle
  • Purple_Orchid_87
    Purple_Orchid_87 Posts: 517 Member
    i get overwhelmed by conflicting info too

    quite a few ppl suggested peanut butter to get my kcals up, as i started on 1200 and only now, after 6 weeks, did i let MFP calculate them and they're up by 430kcals a day - im somewhat used to 1200 so needed a high kcal low micro food

    when i added peanut butter to my diary and asked ppl to take a look and give any advice, one person messaged me and said i was sabotaging myself and peanut butter is the worst thing ever, its full of salt and sugar and if i eat it, i am sure to gain weight

    i ate the peanut butter, 1 tbsp, this morning on toast - its my weigh in tomorrow morning - needless to say, if i do pile on the weight overnight i think i'll cry, but was really confused as to what else i could have to get my kcals up without affecting my micros too much

    i really really appreciate all the support and motivation on here - i jsut get confused as to what will work and what 'may' work
  • ANeWcRe8N
    ANeWcRe8N Posts: 1,180 Member
    The trouble is that no one thing works for everyone. You just have to take what suggestions sound doable and try. If one approach doesn't work, try another.

    I find that some ways are just impossible to work into my lifestyle. You have to do what is right for you, but sometimes it takes a while to figure out exactly what that is.

    I agree with this poster... not one way will work for everyone. You just gotta do what works into your lifestyle and your body. :)
  • sophjakesmom
    sophjakesmom Posts: 904 Member
    I am totally with you! I have felt in the past that I need to do everything right and I would make myself crazy with percentages and sodium and sugar, not to mention what the best work out order or option is. I would simply quit because it was too overwhelming.

    This time I am taking a different approach, I have 3 simple rules, move more, eat less, and when faced with a choice, try to make the best one available. If you look at my diary, you will see I go over on sodium and sugar alot, but I am pretty consistently under on fat grams. This has really given me a sense of freedom and confidence. You can't focus on all that stuff all the time, but you can make better choices that will help you get to a healthier you. Hang in there!
  • sophjakesmom
    sophjakesmom Posts: 904 Member
    I guess we just have to dibble dabble around until we find what works for us.

    Very True!!
  • turbochickheather
    turbochickheather Posts: 3 Member
    It's a balance...cardio & strength training both boost metabolism & burn fat. I do both either together or alternatively. Change it up every 30 days to keep from plateauing. As far as eating back calories, I do do that because I'm at my goal weight & want to maintain it . Everyone is different, it's about trial & error. Just don't give up.
    :happy:
  • KPainter70
    KPainter70 Posts: 152
    When it comes to exercise, I think it's less important to do something you think you should do vs doing something you like. You'll stick with something you like, but if you're facing day after day of an exercise you despise, where's the motivation to keep going? Try different things until something makes you happy.

    I have two close girlfriends who also work out - one loves swimming, one loves classes at the gym and I love my cardio and kettlebells at home. And we're all losing weight. You just have to find your "thing".
  • therobinator
    therobinator Posts: 832 Member
    quite a few ppl suggested peanut butter to get my kcals up, as i started on 1200 and only now, after 6 weeks, did i let MFP calculate them and they're up by 430kcals a day - im somewhat used to 1200 so needed a high kcal low micro food

    when i added peanut butter to my diary and asked ppl to take a look and give any advice, one person messaged me and said i was sabotaging myself and peanut butter is the worst thing ever, its full of salt and sugar and if i eat it, i am sure to gain weight
    There is nothing wrong with peanut butter, if you are eating good peanut butter. Yes, most national brands like Jiffy or Skippy are full of sugar and salt, but I personallt buy a brand that contains nothing but peanuts. Peanuts. Period. It's sodium free, sugar free and everything else free. Check it out: http://www.teddie.com/nutrition.html
  • TrainingWithTonya
    TrainingWithTonya Posts: 1,741 Member
    That's because anyone can write a book or put out an exercise dvd and they don't have to have a degree in fitness or nutrition to do it. Most of what you read in popular media is garbage information or snippets of truth packaged in a lot of opinion. My best suggestion if you want to read about fitness and nutrition to figure out what you need to do is to go to your local university where they have an exercise science department. Even if you don't take their classes, buy their textbooks. What we learn in our classes is in the textbooks with references to the actual studies that prove it. The number one books I would recommend getting are:

    ACSM Guidelines for Exercise Testing and Prescription
    Resource Manual for Guidelines for Exercise Testing and Prescription
    NSCA Essentials of Strength Training and Conditioning
    Nutrition for Health, Fitness, and Sport by Melvin Williams
    Clinical Exercise Physiology by Ehrman, Gordon, Visich, & Ketevian
    And any nutrition book by Janice Thompson (She has one that is more basic "Nutrition: An Applied Approach" and one that is more scientific "The Science of Nutrition" that we used in my nutrition minor and both are really good for breaking down the ins and outs of actual nutritional science.)
  • therobinator
    therobinator Posts: 832 Member
    I have 3 simple rules, move more, eat less, and when faced with a choice, try to make the best one available.

    I love this!
  • Angiebug1969
    Angiebug1969 Posts: 152
    That's because anyone can write a book or put out an exercise dvd and they don't have to have a degree in fitness or nutrition to do it. Most of what you read in popular media is garbage information or snippets of truth packaged in a lot of opinion. My best suggestion if you want to read about fitness and nutrition to figure out what you need to do is to go to your local university where they have an exercise science department. Even if you don't take their classes, buy their textbooks. What we learn in our classes is in the textbooks with references to the actual studies that prove it. The number one books I would recommend getting are:

    ACSM Guidelines for Exercise Testing and Prescription
    Resource Manual for Guidelines for Exercise Testing and Prescription
    NSCA Essentials of Strength Training and Conditioning
    Nutrition for Health, Fitness, and Sport by Melvin Williams
    Clinical Exercise Physiology by Ehrman, Gordon, Visich, & Ketevian
    And any nutrition book by Janice Thompson (She has one that is more basic "Nutrition: An Applied Approach" and one that is more scientific "The Science of Nutrition" that we used in my nutrition minor and both are really good for breaking down the ins and outs of actual nutritional science.)


    GREAT ADVICE!! Thanks for posting!
  • MistyMtnMan
    MistyMtnMan Posts: 527 Member
    What I can say for sure is make sure you do strength training at least 3 days a week. That's a must. Cardio I feel is bonus but your DIET is what will make changes the most. You can do cardio until you're blue in the face but if your diet is off you'll get frustrated.

    It will take you some time to tweek your diet perfect but simple obvious rules that will never change is to limit white sugar, white bread, white flour all that stuff. Anything processed is bad, just read the labels and fast food will always be a no no of course. Once in a while is fine. I think that's a start then you can begin to experiment. I hope this helps.
  • gaeljo
    gaeljo Posts: 223 Member
    Now you know why I went to a dietitian. Here is a truly great website for you: http://www.rochesternutrition.com/ remember, it is truly all about balanced eating, clean eating and a combination of strength and cardio training. Be blessed...
  • anulle2009
    anulle2009 Posts: 580 Member
    I have to agree with other posters, you find what works with your body. I read article after article and it gets overbearing. So honestly i stopped reading, Only thing now i look up are recipes for healthier cooking.
  • Qarol
    Qarol Posts: 6,171 Member
    Yes, there's a TON of information out there. That's good and bad. Problem is, everyone's different so what might work for someone won't work for someone else. You kinda have to wade through all of it to find what works for you. It's a little trial and error, as well. Maybe first narrow down what type of diet seems to work best for you. And then what type of exercise is right for you and will still be interesting enough for you to stick with it. Then weed through the information on those specifics. It's tough, I know! But you'll figure it out. It helped me to take notes, like on a Word document, so I could organize all the info I found relevant. And it also helps to talk to your doctor.

    Bottom line, a lot of people on here will have opinions. Some will make it sound like fact. You have to take what you hear on here or anywhere else on the internet with a grain of salt. I'm always wary when someone posts what you should do. Sure, that's what they do and what works for them, but it's not necessarily what YOU should do.
  • jmo28
    jmo28 Posts: 3
    OK so here I what I learned from getting my degree in exercise science.... I hope this helps for you a bit.

    Lifting- Only lift large amounts of weights if you are tying to look like Arnold. Women, especially those trying to get in shape, should lift lower weights, higher reps. This allows the muscles to tone and by gaining moderate strength. This does not mean lift only a 5 pound weight; you should still be trying. Go for three sets with 15-20 reps in a set and only 30-60 seconds rest between sets. Do not lift the same muscle groups two days in a row. If you lift entire body in one day, you need at least 36-48 hours to recover (ie if you lift on Monday, don't lift again till Wednesday). You can lift upper body one day and lower body the next if you like lifting everyday, but I don't. Try different lifts that work the same muscle groups to switch up your workout and keep your body guessing. There are helpful websites that will show you these to give you ideas. Do LIGHT cardio for 20 minuets after lifting to reduce lactic acid build up.

    Cardio- Intervals are what is called high intensity interval training (HIIT). When doing HIIT cardio you only need to do 15-20 minutes, but you might have to build up to that. HIIT causes high levels of lactic acid build up which will increase stiffness at first. The intervals should range between 30-60 seconds at a high pace/speed and 1-3 minutes recovery at a moderate pace/speed. When at the higher pace, you really need to push (the last 10 seconds should feel like you are going to die). The benefits of HIIT training is that it may boost your metabolism for up to 24 hours after your workout (research suggested). New research also says it increases amount of fat burned as compared to normal cardio. That said, only 20% of your cardio workouts should be HIIT workouts due to the fact that its anaerobic (without oxygen) so you aren't getting the full cardio benefits.

    You only need to do cardio 2-3 days a week and I usually do mine opposite of my lifting days (For example: I ran 7 miles yesterday and lifted this morning. Tomorrow will be HIIT). Keep it within your fat burn zone for max benefits.

    You need both cardio and weights to lose weight, there is no way around it. Lifting burns fats just like cardio and increases muscle mass. Cardio burns fat and boosts metabolism for a time after.

    Food- When you lift, your body needs protein to build the muscle. It doesn't have to be meat, but just lean sources of protein (fat free dairy, edemame, tofu, high protein cereals, nuts). Its a good idea to have a protein snack or some with a meal right after you lift. Carbs aren't bad for you, in fact your brain needs them to function. Just stay away from the white ones which have high glycemic indexes (they raise your blood sugar the most. White bread has the highest). Plus whole grains have protein. Fruits and veggies are good for you, period. What sugar they do have is natural, unprocessed sugar. Your meals should be balanced. Just remember the food pyramid; don't binge on one, neglecting the rest. If you eat back your exercise calories is up to your body. If you don't eat them back and your find yourself stuck in weight loss that means your body is in starvation mode (it just stores everything you eat as fat because its not getting enough; nature's way of preventing us from dying) and you need to eat some/all of your earned calories.

    I hope that was helpful.
  • danipals
    danipals Posts: 143 Member
    All I can say is WOW!!!

    Thank you all so much for your input! I have been trying to find a Sports Dietician like my MFP Friend "gaeljo" suggested but still aren't having much luck. I am also going to look into the University in town and see what I can find out about their Exercise/Nutrition department and what they can possibly help with including reading materials. I know that part of my problem is that I have been sitting here at 153-155 lbs. for a couple of years now and am always working on losing weight! I gave up white breads/pasta years ago and frankly don't eat the whole wheat versions very often either. I usually eat pretty well most of the week but have a day or so that I life happens and I don't do as well. I strength train 3x/week and do cardio 3-4x/week. I think I get overwhelmed with the info and don't give things enough time before I move on to something else. Argh! Thanks everyone for the help!

    I guess the REAL problem is that I just haven't found what works for me even after years of trying!

    D
  • RunHardBeStrong
    RunHardBeStrong Posts: 33,069 Member
    I have 3 simple rules, move more, eat less, and when faced with a choice, try to make the best one available.

    Me to! I have this plethora of info floating around my head but I always go back to the basics. Keep it simple, more calories out than in, make the best choices possible, strength train and do cardio to my fullest potential!
  • danipals
    danipals Posts: 143 Member
    I think I've found help! I contacted the University in my town and discovered that they have programs there open to the Community. They have one called Metabolism Matters which performs test such as Resting Metabolic Rate and Exercise Metabolic Testing to see what your true numbers are rather than going with the general calculations you find online. I'm waiting for the Department to call me back! I REALLY hope they do so soon!! Thanks again!
  • katt742
    katt742 Posts: 196 Member
    OMG Im so with you! I read up so much on diet and fitness and everyday there seems to be a new strategy! Its frustrating!!
  • SoCalSwimmerDude
    SoCalSwimmerDude Posts: 507 Member
    Ha, I had a feeling that this post would bring about even more opinion that, (in my opinion) can just confuse more. Someone said to eat less, workout more, and make good decisions. I agree. Honestly, if you put aside all of the amazing info (right or wrong) and just meat your caloric intake w/ healthy foods and 'work out', then you'll be good to go!

    As I've said before, it seems that all of us have graduated from MFP University. The requirements to do this seem to be losing 5 pounds. So take in all of the info, but remember that 90% of us are not experts... and even some of those who are.... Well, they're just trying to sell a book or dvd.
  • TrainingWithTonya
    TrainingWithTonya Posts: 1,741 Member
    I think I've found help! I contacted the University in my town and discovered that they have programs there open to the Community. They have one called Metabolism Matters which performs test such as Resting Metabolic Rate and Exercise Metabolic Testing to see what your true numbers are rather than going with the general calculations you find online. I'm waiting for the Department to call me back! I REALLY hope they do so soon!! Thanks again!

    Good Deal! We do that in our school but only during the Spring and Fall semesters. So, don't be discouraged if you don't hear back from them soon since it is now the Summer semester. Give them another call in the Fall semester (mid-August) if you don't hear from them before then.
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