Does muscle really weigh more than fat?

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  • SillyCat1975
    SillyCat1975 Posts: 328 Member
    Oh no, I lost 14 pounds but then managed to find 4 back and now I've lost 2 pounds so I'm at 188 as opposed to the 186 that I was. I'm running 60 minutes at a 12 sometimes an 11 minute mile, sometimes when i slow down on my walk (cool down) it will take calories away if I'm not moving faster. Like we went to the zoo, I turned it on, and I walked for atleast an hour at a leisurely pace, It said I burned zero calories, I know that not to be true, but if I'm not moving at a fast pace it won't really log calories for me.
  • threnjen
    threnjen Posts: 687 Member
    I think the week is just not enough time to establish a problem pattern. Were you losing a pound a week before that? I thought this was a longer problem. What is your weight loss pattern in the last six weeks? Has it been going ok?

    Quest Bars you can't get at Walmart, but you can get them at Amazon. They are more expensive than other stuff but they have a lot of protein and to me they are a yummy treat.
    http://www.amazon.com/Quest-Nutrition-Protein-Bar-Chocolate/dp/B00I7VD72M/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1428598999&sr=8-4&keywords=quest+bar

    That is a variety pack with all the chocolate flavors. I like Cookie Dough the best
    http://www.amazon.com/Quest-Nutrition-Protein-Chocolate-Cookie/dp/B00DLDH1N2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1428599073&sr=8-1&keywords=quest+bar+cookie+dough

    I think eating more protein would help a ton with your hunger. I saw a day in there where you only got 33g protein. I would be a raging hangry monster on that little.
  • rjmudlax13
    rjmudlax13 Posts: 909 Member
    AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

    Why? Why? Why?

    Who the eff cares? Just let this dumb argument diiiiiiie!!!!
  • threnjen
    threnjen Posts: 687 Member
    rjmudlax13 wrote: »
    AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

    Why? Why? Why?

    Who the eff cares? Just let this dumb argument diiiiiiie!!!!

    Did you even read the thread ...?? Clearly not...
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    rjmudlax13 wrote: »
    AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

    Why? Why? Why?

    Who the eff cares? Just let this dumb argument diiiiiiie!!!!

    Nobody in this thread is arguing. OP is seeking information -- which she received.
  • Liftng4Lis
    Liftng4Lis Posts: 15,150 Member
    Meal timing is irrelevant, so if you're hungry and have room in your allotment, eat.
  • SillyCat1975
    SillyCat1975 Posts: 328 Member
    edited April 2015
    I am just seeking true assistance
  • rjmudlax13
    rjmudlax13 Posts: 909 Member
    edited April 2015
    threnjen wrote: »
    rjmudlax13 wrote: »
    AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

    Why? Why? Why?

    Who the eff cares? Just let this dumb argument diiiiiiie!!!!

    Did you even read the thread ...?? Clearly not...

    Sorry. The thread topic is what I was referring to. No, I did not read the thread completely. Shame on me. It's just the whole muscle vs fat argument is so dumb and repetitive. I'll try to get my eye to stop twitching.

    To answer your actual question: If it fits into your calories allotment for the day, eat it or don't. All the matters is staying under calories.
  • SillyCat1975
    SillyCat1975 Posts: 328 Member
    edited April 2015
    SLLRunner wrote: »
    Oh and I also use a fitbit but I don't understand what it means when it's showing the calories burned, I think it's a crazy fitbit, possessed or something.. :smiley:

    So, it's a fitbit? It looks like you are also including your exercise burns. Is that correct?

    I believe with fitbit it's one or the other.

    Oh no, I don't trust what the fitbit is telling me, I use the zip, I use it for mileage, also the map my walk/run gives me the same mileage, I feel like I really don't know what I'm doing here, I feel lost. I only use calories from the map my walk, I don't use the fitbit (for caloric intake), I don't even have it linked to the MFP.

  • SillyCat1975
    SillyCat1975 Posts: 328 Member
    But the one thing I want to clarify is the first 6 pounds came off with in week one. So for me, I feel like it's an uphill battle.
  • RGv2
    RGv2 Posts: 5,789 Member
    Please read this link. If eating back your exercise calories was "undoing" your workout or put you over, why would MFP give them to you?

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1

    Can you open your diary so we can give you more specific help?


    This too.

    This article was so helpful, the things is, is that I don't know which one I am using, I only know what MFP tells me I should eat and then the calories that I burn.

    MFP is based on NEAT. It works as such:

    Person enters their goal and stats into MFP to lose 1lb per week. Let's say that person's maintenance is 2000 cal and MFP spits out a 250 cal deficit per day in order to lose 1lb per week.

    2000 main - 250 cal deficit = 1750 cals to eat in a normal day.

    Now, let's say this person starts running and burns 300 additional cals per day so now their maintenance is 2300, so

    2000 normal maintenance cals + 300 exercise = 2300 Maintenance cals

    2300 - 250 = 2050 cals to lose 1lb per week.

    One thing to keep in mind is, MFP will overestimate exercise cals, so most start at eating back 50% of them and adjust from there.
  • rjmudlax13
    rjmudlax13 Posts: 909 Member
    edited April 2015
    But the one thing I want to clarify is the first 6 pounds came off with in week one. So for me, I feel like it's an uphill battle.

    This is common for most people because you start to lose a lot of water right off the bat then your body "catches up" and goes into "oh crap this is serious" mode and starts to hang on to water to repair muscles etc. This is one of the reasons why weight loss is not linear even if you are perfect with counting calories.
  • jkal1979
    jkal1979 Posts: 1,896 Member
    I took a look at your exercise burns. It looks like on the days that you had your Fitbit synced you also logged your runs. Any step based activity that you do does not need to be logged while wearing it. Just let the Fitbit do it's thing. When you log exercise while using a Fitbit you have to be very careful about making sure that your start and stop times are correct or it will mess up your exercise calories.

    There is a Fitbit group on here that has a lot of information on how the two work together and how to set them up so they work best for your needs.

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/1290-fitbit-users
  • threnjen
    threnjen Posts: 687 Member
    RGv2 wrote: »

    Person enters their goal and stats into MFP to lose 1lb per week. Let's say that person's maintenance is 2000 cal and MFP spits out a 250 cal deficit per day in order to lose 1lb per week.

    2000 main - 250 cal deficit = 1750 cals to eat in a normal day.

    Now, let's say this person starts running and burns 300 additional cals per day so now their maintenance is 2300, so

    2000 normal maintenance cals + 300 exercise = 2300 Maintenance cals

    2300 - 250 = 2050 cals to lose 1lb per week.

    One thing to keep in mind is, MFP will overestimate exercise cals, so most start at eating back 50% of them and adjust from there.

    250 per day is only .5 lb/week
    it's 500/day for 1 lb a week

  • jessilee119
    jessilee119 Posts: 444 Member
    I have the Fitbit as well and the calories it's showing is total burned including those you burn at rest. To get a better idea of what you burn during a certain exercise you'll have to break down the calories burned during that time. It might also depend on the Fitbit. I used to have a Fitbit One but now I have the Fitbit Surge and I'm finding that the One was more accurate with calories burned (the Surge puts my calories burned higher than what the One did). The Surge isn't too far off though and I love it, so it's just something I have to keep in the back of my mind.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    edited April 2015
    Easter was rough and I feel like my downfall really started when I ate the Cracker Barrel pancakes.

    How have your losses been? Have you been stalled for a while, fluctuating, losing less than you'd like per week but still losing a little on average (if so how much)?

    As others have said, a big loss the first week and then a leveling off as you regain some of the water (which is why the big first week loss) while also losing fat is really common. Fluctuations certain times of the month are common, and adding some water weight if you first start exercising or do higher intensity exercise that makes you sore is common. It's most notable with weights, but I definitely get it with running too, if I increase intensity.

    If you are weighing once a week you can just hit it on an upswing sometimes (I weigh every day and just try to convince myself not to overreact to the results, but if the scale is already driving you mad, probably not the thing to do).

    I found focusing on process goals (running a certain number of days per week, staying within my calories, making lunches ahead, stuff like that) to be really helpful to focus on at first, so that I would realize and feel good about the progress I was making even when the scale was frustrating.

    If what basically happened was an upswing at Easter, that very well could be because foods with more sodium (Cracker Barrel?) or simply a higher percentage of carbs overall can cause some water fluctuations, again. That's not real gain and will come off pretty quickly, although it is frustrating.

    Also like others have said, your exercise calories are too high for whatever reason, but if you cut them in half that's not going to be a problem (it's why it gets recommended for people to do that). And of course if you haven't been eating them it's not an explanation for the struggles.
  • SergeantSausage
    SergeantSausage Posts: 1,673 Member
    I attribute this to a failure of the Public Education Systems, worldwide.

    This is 6th grade (US) Science right? Weight -v- Density.

    The old 3rd grade trick question: a pound of gold -v- a pound of feathers.

    Oh - and a calorie has no idea, No Idea, what time it's being consumed. If you're hungry at 23:00, eat at 23:00 (assuming you have spare calories in your quota.
  • SillyCat1975
    SillyCat1975 Posts: 328 Member
    A few days I let the fitbit sync but then decided that I wanted actual calories that I burned exercising, I figured anything over that would be great but I wouldn't log it, so I unsynced and decided to just go with the map my fitness, I don't have it synced to the account because for some reason, it's crazy and I'm not sure how to do that one either.. I hate the scale, I look at it daily, I know that is not very conducive for me. But I am looking for motivation and feeling discouraged. I am guessing the best time to weigh is in the morning and not the middle of the afternoon. I weighed the morning I was at 186.6 and went back to the afternoon weighing, I know it's crazy but I always feel like I weigh less in the afternoon. Maybe I'm just crazy?
  • ncfitbit
    ncfitbit Posts: 1,058 Member
    Easter was rough and I feel like my downfall really started when I ate the Cracker Barrel pancakes.

    You've gotten lots of great advice here and it seems like you are open to it, so that's great! Congrats to you on the running, too. Woo Hoo!

    I do worry you are being a little hard on yourself. I believe that if is that if it feels too hard, then we're setting ourselves up for giving up. As others have said, persistence is key to being successful, so I figure I have to make this process as enjoyable as possible so that I can stick to any changes I make.

    Here's a great blog that helped me a lot when I first started. It's about how you don't have to be perfect to be successful:

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/ShannonMpls?month=201208

    Since you're a runner, here's another good blog:

    http://www.runsforcookies.com/


    Best of luck! Feel free to add me. ;)

  • SillyCat1975
    SillyCat1975 Posts: 328 Member
    You think the calories burned may be inaccurate? I feel like I busted my hump for those calories burned, like running my butt off, literally for almost 5 miles, when I say I stopped, I think it was 2 times and it was only for maybe a tenth of a mile. So what would I get so that I would have accurate calories burned?