Must vent wife and i's frustration
golferd
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i started Jan 1 at 250 and dropped weight very consist for first 70 days or so. Then I started hearing about p90x and results people were getting from that. I was excited because new exercise and would work to get beyond stuck. Weight was 212, 45 days in I touched 203 only by doing double days and sweating off extra water (jogging pants and 3 jackets), thought calorie level was too low and made effort to increase. Now I am back to 212.
Considering I am suppose to weigh between 128 and 158 based on bmi, I have lots of fat to burn. I do watch sodium, and those tricks. Back to the eating and calories. I was thinking maybe eating too little based on my size. Why then my wife at 130 is not losing since we are using her calorie level to make it easy for planning. If I do a bike ride I eat those calories back, to match regular planned meals.
So, if mine is eating too little ( I will accept that) why is she not losing? Her inches did not change either.
Some say don't eat your exercise calories, that would leave a negative net number, that option will not work. I do drink a lot of water. I do eat something every couple of hours.
Like I said just wanted to vent, will not quit made decision to give p90x the 90 days and will.
Considering I am suppose to weigh between 128 and 158 based on bmi, I have lots of fat to burn. I do watch sodium, and those tricks. Back to the eating and calories. I was thinking maybe eating too little based on my size. Why then my wife at 130 is not losing since we are using her calorie level to make it easy for planning. If I do a bike ride I eat those calories back, to match regular planned meals.
So, if mine is eating too little ( I will accept that) why is she not losing? Her inches did not change either.
Some say don't eat your exercise calories, that would leave a negative net number, that option will not work. I do drink a lot of water. I do eat something every couple of hours.
Like I said just wanted to vent, will not quit made decision to give p90x the 90 days and will.
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Do you have a heart rate monitor? How are you calculating your exercise calories for p90x?0
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Well, seeing how 130 is my goal... maybe she's already at her body's happy weight.
I'd toss the BMI ideals out the window, too. It's inaccurate, especially if you have a lot of muscle tone.0 -
Take a good look at your diet. I see a lot of sugar in there and that's not going to help you. Consider following the diet plan that comes with P90X - it is designed to get you the optimal results with the exercise program. The diet plan also has a section that helps you calculate how many calories you should be eating while doing the program.0
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Have you heard of calorie cycling aka zig zagging? A lot of people have great results with this method. I am starting a new zig zag today and am hoping to see results because I am stuck as well. I would research it on the forums here but also research it online and see what you think of it. I am also going to cut back my exercise a bit because I think I'm burning too many calories and not being able to eat enough to counter act that.0
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You and your wife should not be eating the same calories. You need to increase your portion size if it is just that you want it easier to cook and eat the same food.
As for why the weight is not coming off either of you, -you are not eating enough. She could be close enough to her goal weight that she should be set to lose only .5lbs a week and if she has her goals set higher she could have slowed her metabolism too.
You should both take your measurements, reassess your goals individually (not as a team) and adjust your eating and calories accordingly.
One more note if you are not using HRM, you wife needs to make sure she has accurate numbers for everything. The closer you are to goal the less room there is for error.
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I started out losing wieght very nicely over 30 pounds. Then it slowed, then stopped, then I started gaining. Was aggrivated and could not figure it out, then it hit me. I was eating the calories of someone who was 250 (1840), I went in and re calculated how many calories i should eat at 220 turned out to be a lot less (1580). Dont understand why MFP didnt automaticaly update my calorie intake to my new weight.0
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Do you have a heart rate monitor? How are you calculating your exercise calories for p90x?
Yes I do,0 -
I know you're just venting, but I feel the need to say yes it's about intake.
If you are staying the same or gaining, you are taking in maintenance or more in calories.
You should find your actual caloric needs via the Katch-McArdle method (there are calculators online). This requires your weight and your bodyfat % which you can get from the Dr or the gym. The calculator on the right side of http://www.cordianet.com/calculator.htm gets pretty close to my actual TDEE based on my own calculations.
Then set your goal here on MFP to 500 less than your TDEE. That same calculator will tell you your (TDEE-500) number.
Sounds like you and your wife are on the right track, the intake number is just too high.
Specifically regarding your wife, TDEE-500 may be too little. Keep her at 1000 Cals minimum if so. Trust me she will still lose weight.0 -
Throw the BMI out the window.
At 21, I was running 5 to 10 miles a day... and weighed 205. According to the BMI, I was still 30lbs overweight. My goal is to get back to 205.0 -
I agree wiith the Heart Rate Monitor idea... I began P90x, and the websites say you will burn avg 600 cal per day, about 400-600 for the strength dvds and up to 1000 for plyo, about 800 for the other cardio... I am the same weight as your wife and I got a HRM, I burn not even half of that. About 250 for the strength dvds, 450 for plyo. It helps burn more if I do jumping jacks while he talks continuously between sets, but still nothing close to what they claim! Plus, you are building muscle with that workout.... I have not lost any more in the past couple of weeks, but the way I feel, look, and the way my clothing fits is a huge difference! I was getting discouraged until I tried on some clothes I previously could not fit into. There is also significantly less jiggle...lol. So hang in there... I bet you will both see results!0
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I make sure I eat my daily calories but don't always eat all my calories earned from exercise, mostly because I am full.0
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Throw the BMI out the window.
At 21, I was running 5 to 10 miles a day... and weighed 205. According to the BMI, I was still 30lbs overweight. My goal is to get back to 205.
I agree...BMI is something to ignore. I was told I was overweight in high school when I was 117 lbs per BMI. Not true at all.0 -
So, here's the thing, if you're just venting, that's fine, but if you're actually looking for answers, you really didn't give us anything to go on for suggestions, Besides your weight, age, and that you're doing P90X we know nothing about you, and really couldn't even begin to make any kind of educated guess.
One thing I CAN say though, is those "plastic sweat inducing suits" and other things like that, don't help, and may actually hurt your progress. Forcing yourself to increase your sweat levels will only throw off your body chemistry and make real weight loss that much harder. Sure you may lose water weight, but water weight doesn't affect your fat loss other than causing dehydration.0 -
Granted, I'm just looking at your diary from yesterday, but you ate more cals in "snacks' than at meals. There is a bit of sugar in there as well. And you burned >1000cals in exercise? Either you're overexercising, imo, or you are overestimating the burn.0
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So, here's the thing, if you're just venting, that's fine, but if you're actually looking for answers, you really didn't give us anything to go on for suggestions, Besides your weight, age, and that you're doing P90X we know nothing about you, and really couldn't even begin to make any kind of educated guess.
One thing I CAN say though, is those "plastic sweat inducing suits" and other things like that, don't help, and may actually hurt your progress. Forcing yourself to increase your sweat levels will only throw off your body chemistry and make real weight loss that much harder. Sure you may lose water weight, but water weight doesn't affect your fat loss other than causing dehydration.
5-8, male, 33 years old, desk job
Calories taken from hr monitor.
Everything is logged,
P90x every day based on classic schedule (45 days complete) Several days like today extra bike ride in the am for 1 hour (614) calories.0 -
5-8, male, 33 years old, desk job
Calories taken from hr monitor.
Everything is logged,
P90x every day based on classic schedule (45 days complete) Several days like today extra bike ride in the am for 1 hour (614) calories.
that's a start. Additional info that would be necessary, current BMI, current Body Fat %, any medical conditions (even if you don't think they effect your weight), waist to hip ratio, current weekly weight loss goal.
Anything else you could possibly think of that might influence your weight loss, I.E. life/job stress, extra curricular activities, kids, hobbies that involve activity...etc. These are all things that could effect your weight/weight loss.0 -
ok upon further review, I can already see some stuff. I just looked back at 3 weeks of your diary, 2 things stand WAY out to me. 1 your net calories are no where near where your goal is. You are consistently under your net calories by 400 or more. On many occasions you're over 1000 calories UNDER your net goal. Second, you're super high in added sugar, talking 75 to 150 grams high on most days, that's also super bad.
as to the sugar, check this post out, there's a youtube video by a trainer that talks about simple carbs (of which sugar is one) and how bad they are for you.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/232824-this-guy-is-great0 -
I'd follow the nutrition guide that comes with P90X. I think your carb intake is way too high. I'd cut that back to 30-40% of your calories and up your protein intake to a minimum of 1g per pound, in your case about 212g a day.0
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Don't put too much emphasis on BMI, this calculation is so old and not in the least accurate!! According to my bmi I should be about 100 lbs, that will not work for me! Stop where you are comfortable! If you want to go by fat % that's fine but have that checked to see where you are!0
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So, here's the thing, if you're just venting, that's fine, but if you're actually looking for answers, you really didn't give us anything to go on for suggestions, Besides your weight, age, and that you're doing P90X we know nothing about you, and really couldn't even begin to make any kind of educated guess.
One thing I CAN say though, is those "plastic sweat inducing suits" and other things like that, don't help, and may actually hurt your progress. Forcing yourself to increase your sweat levels will only throw off your body chemistry and make real weight loss that much harder. Sure you may lose water weight, but water weight doesn't affect your fat loss other than causing dehydration.
Ditto on the use of a sweat suit and the false sense of weight loss. Dangerous way to lose weight.0 -
Protein increase done, calorie increase done, same result. Now what.0
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it's been two weeks, that's just not enough time golferd. You need to give it time to work, your body has to adjust to higher calories, a month is the minimum I recommend to clients to START seeing changes. This is all about consistency. Once you start changing things up, you need to give your body time to settle back into a routine, to many changes, to fast, and you are just going to be frustrated constantly. Plus you're still way high on the added sugar, need to cut that stuff way down. Got to get rid of the HFCS, it's murder on fat loss.0
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Losing weight is a simple equation...eat less calories than you burn. If you aren't losing weight..you are eating too much or exercising too little.
When i say exercise, i mean you need to be pushing yourself cardio wise to the point of exhaustion..then continuing on past that for another 5 minutes every single day. As you progress the exhaustion point will get further and further out...but it still needs to be faced and overcome every time you train.
Weights are a bonus, they should feel like a holiday compared to your cardio regime.
Dont eat any crap right before bed, no matter how bad the cravings get.0 -
it's been two weeks, that's just not enough time golferd. You need to give it time to work, your body has to adjust to higher calories, a month is the minimum I recommend to clients to START seeing changes. This is all about consistency. Once you start changing things up, you need to give your body time to settle back into a routine, to many changes, to fast, and you are just going to be frustrated constantly. Plus you're still way high on the added sugar, need to cut that stuff way down. Got to get rid of the HFCS, it's murder on fat loss.
Thanks for the help. What you helped me realize with this is Screw it, I care but I don't care. I am not worried about the month, it's you saying my sugar is still too high. I quit sodas, frozen yogurt, changed from fructose yogurt to plain yogurt. I do enjoy taste of food and have logged everything for 5.5 months and if it takes to being a veg. Losing weight is not for me. Because I cannot consume apples, oj, strawberries, or anything else because it has sugar, granola bar, peanut butter. Not for me
So thanks for helping me realize I will be fat!0 -
it's been two weeks, that's just not enough time golferd. You need to give it time to work, your body has to adjust to higher calories, a month is the minimum I recommend to clients to START seeing changes. This is all about consistency. Once you start changing things up, you need to give your body time to settle back into a routine, to many changes, to fast, and you are just going to be frustrated constantly. Plus you're still way high on the added sugar, need to cut that stuff way down. Got to get rid of the HFCS, it's murder on fat loss.
Thanks for the help. What you helped me realize with this is Screw it, I care but I don't care. I am not worried about the month, it's you saying my sugar is still too high. I quit sodas, frozen yogurt, changed from fructose yogurt to plain yogurt. I do enjoy taste of food and have logged everything for 5.5 months and if it takes to being a veg. Losing weight is not for me. Because I cannot consume apples, oj, strawberries, or anything else because it has sugar, granola bar, peanut butter. Not for me
So thanks for helping me realize I will be fat!
Oh trust me, you don't have to go veg to do this, I'm a carnivore through and through, and I eat red meat at least once a week, and I'm down to about 12% body fat with an 8 hour sit down job, but it does take time, my last 15 lbs took me about 5 months, you just gotta set the rudder and let yourself run the course, I won't say it's easy, but it's not really that complicated. Work hard, keep your deficit moderate, keep your food as clean as you can stand, and try not to fall off the path to far. Having an off meal or even day every month or so won't kill ya, but going 75 grams over on sugar two or three times a week could cause some problems.
Stick with it dude, you'll get there.
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Nothing useful to add but I think you're not looking too shabby in your pic. Something's working.0
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Another week of the same scale numbers. Protein increase way up. Calorie intake + 1000 hitting daily goal. Sugars down, carbs down. Water intake up.
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Want to echo the above comment... man, you look so much thinner than you did. Whether or not you're losing weight right now, you look so much better than you did. Congratulations on your weight loss.0
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Heres my 2 cents worth based on what I get from reading your post.
For the past 3 weeks you have made an effort to eat back all of your exercise calories, and you haven't lost any weight. Is that correct???
Also you have not gained any weight. Correct???
This is just a guess, but maybe it took these past 3 weeks to get your metabolism back on track. If I were you I would now lower my daily caloric intake by 250-500 cals a day for the next 2 weeks and see if it makes a difference. Keep the body guessing. Eat at maintenance level for a week then eat 1000 below maintenance level for the next week.
Something will give sooner or later and you will know what is wrong. Overtraining, eating too much, eating too little etc...
I also saw some comments about meat. Meat even red meat wont make you fat. Eat it up. I eat meat at every meal. A good book to get is Gary Taubes Why Do We Get Fat. It makes a lot of sense. Not the same stuff you get preached on here everyday and other sites.
I just preused your diary so I didn't take the time to see where the sugar was coming from, but if its not coming from coke or cupcakes, I wouldn't stress too much over it. Also if you must have the sweets eat them immediately after a workout as a reward. Plus your body needs the insulin at that time.
At your weight you don't need to nickel and dime your diet to lose weight. Only when you are looking for that 6 pack does it get crucial.0
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