Day 5 Depression

"Chrysalid2014 wrote: »

I'm not having anything with any added sugar, or any foods that are naturally high in sugar (including apples, pears, grapes, bananas, dried fruit, juice, beetroot, etc), or anything with artificial sweeteners either as those seem to trigger sugar cravings in me.

So when your post above said "none," it meant none outside of a definition you established? This seems a bit like the guy who will tell you get stopped drinking before he explains why beer doesn't "really count."

The principle of over-coming an addiction though moderating consumption only is pretty controversial. It seems a bit bizarre to want to wrap yourself in the validating language of addiction and then reject the methods generally used in treating addiction.

Of course, as you said, you reject the idea of comparing your personal experience to what research has shown and adjusting your views on reality accordingly.

Chrysalid2014 wrote: »

Yes, that's what it meant. Beer counts for my bro-in-law, but rum babas and brandy infused fruit cake don't count. And he's been sober for ten years.

I am not sure how personal anecdotes about your brother-in-law are supposed to be received. Because your brother-in-law eats fruitcake, sugar addiction is real?

My point is that you aren't eating none, you are eating some. This seems to indicate (along with the anecdotes about your brother-in-law) that you believe addiction can be treated through simply moderating consumption. The point is that this is a somewhat controversial idea for treatment.

I realize you already said you don't care what research shows, but for people who do, I think it is worth noting.

oooookay I'm blown away with the disrespect I'm seeing here.

Jasmineboyle -- don't take the naysayers to heart. I was married to an alcoholic, my father was an alcoholic, and yes, I was ADDICTED to sugar and felt every single thing you're feeling now. The two stimulants are different and they cause different reactions, but yes, it is legitimate and others being offended doesn't change that. The fact that other people take offense to it just goes to show that they don't understand what you're going through... and there is PLENTY of evidence out there that shows sugar IS chemically addictive. I won't even argue this point anymore because it's ridiculous.

I felt the same way you did--you just have to push through it. If you can hold off sugar for a week or two you will start to see everything drastically improve, including your mood. I'm a totally different person now that I don't have that addiction. My decision making skills are better, I have more energy, things don't affect me emotionally as much...the list goes on. But sticking to it long enough to get it out of your system can be tough.

If you haven't already I'd look into keto, that's what I used to help me during that rough patch because when your body is in ketosis you can seriously eat as much as you want (of the approved foods) and since I was so distraught over THE LACK OF MY STIMULANT, I wanted to eat and eat and eat....after a few days that tapered off, but it was good to have the backup.

Feel free to add me if you'd like support. And I'm sorry that the posters in this thread are being ridiculous. That seems to happen around here, there's a bit of a hive mind and if you don't do exactly as everyone else you're "wrong."

herrspoons wrote: »

Good luck in your endeavours. You're going to need it.

Toodles.

I don't know how you feel comfortable with yourself at night, having such a disgusting attitude.

newmeadow wrote: »

herrspoons wrote: »

newmeadow wrote: »

jasmineboyle wrote: »

OK small AP lesson. For all those out there whobelieve that sugar is not an addiction I challenge you to look up the definition of an addiction and what it does to your brain. You will find that the addictions to cocaine and alcohol have the same effect on your brain that sugar does and when you grow up with having a constant influx of sugar you tend to have the same reaction as an adequate this is been scientifically proven and can have an addiction.I also find it interesting that a place where you are supposed to get support can have so much negativity.

Nevermind the derision or the hysterics or the personal umbrage displayed by those who think junkies and drunks are the only "addicts" to be taken seriously or who deserve a modicum of empathy.

The long term damage done to the human body caused by morbid obesity rivals the bodily damage caused by recreational drug use and too much vodka.

Socially, people who eat to self destruct at least have the courtesy not to rob, scam and physically assault the rest of us to get their hands on what they're compelled to fill their bodies with.

I'll take a food "addict" any day over that lot.

There are 4 different 12 Step groups for food addicts in existence that I'm aware of, and they are all thriving and saving peoples' lives every day.

Food Addicts Anonymous

Food Addicts in Recovery Anonymous

Overeaters Anonymous

Greysheeters Anonymous

If support is your biggest requirement right now, I suggest you look up one of these groups in your area. Now that you've gotten a taste of MFP.

And, of course, enablers don't help, although the real tragedy is that they think they do.

Whatever.

Tell that to the millions of obese and morbidly obese who have been helped to return to normal weight and maintain normal weight by face-to-face 12 Step Food Fellowship meetings, like the ones I listed.

You'd have to do that in person though.

And it might be a tad more inconvenient then smearing your smug *kitten* online.

Have you ever been to one of those meetings? I have, and I don't think they are what you think they are.

I had to attend a meeting for a mental health class in college. The cocaine addicts anonymous meeting was less than helpful, so I went to OEA. It was like a pro-ana forum in person. The most unhealthy behaviors were lauded and encouraged. No one had a healthy relationship with food and the people who were the least healthy were held up as examples. The obsessive thought processes were there in full force. One woman was going to have to to go a family members birthday party, which lead to a 30 minute conversation about how to avoid cake. Get on a pro-ana site, you'll find the same thing. Several of them would not eat solid food and had a lot of "never" foods, which are characteristic of restrictive eating disorders.

In short, I am very skeptical that these groups do anything to help the mental health and wellbeing of their members.

Guys if you wnat to go down the addicted to sugar route then why not join one of the groups or establish your own? Its a controversial subject, which many people are not convinced by and you wont change their views, just like they wont change yours.

Id have thought the priority would have been to find ways to effectively lose weight.

newmeadow wrote: »

rockmama72 wrote: »

No, it's a suggestion that you might get more support for your view in a group with like-minded people, where on the main forums you'll have to spend your time arguing when you could be exercising.

Shouldn't you be exercising now? Waste no more time. Run along.

Not sure where the hostility came from, but um... I'm not wrong. You'll never agree with everyone on the main forums.