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nancyjay__ wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
yeah its called newbie gains, I said that though. but it wont be much if any since we are women and dont have the testosterone that men have to build it as quicklyCharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
to build muscle you have to eat at a caloric surplus. if she has a lot of body fat then a deficit will help get rid of that but she can still lift and get stronger. I do and Im on a deficit.I did get newbie gains but that was before I started my deficit and MFP.you cant build much muscle if any in a deficit unless you are an exception to the rule.nancyjay__ wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
IF,she is in a deficit the muscles are no going to get that big,she may get some newbie gains if shes never lifted before.she can strengthen the muscle which will make it look better, now if she is in a caloric surplus then yes she can build her butt up.nancyjay__ wrote: »Sumo squats, deadlifts, lunges... Unfortunately you can't target the weightloss but you can make certain muscles bigger and your butt is a muscle yay!!!! You want to gain mass you want to go heavy. Weightlifting is the best
Then I suggest a calorie to maintain weight then lift. She doesn't need to me on a surplus and depending on her body fat I probably won't suggest it
since we dont know how much fat she has or how much weight to lose then we have no clue.Like myself,I still have a good bit of body fat and I plan on losing it until I get to a healthy body fat then I plan on eating at a surplus to start building the muscle.I know eating what I do now is not going to build muscle(been working out almost 3 years)
You can build muscle at maintenance - it's called recomping - its slower than on a surplus, but it is possible. You possibly can also gain some muscle at a deficit, but it's less likely and if you do, will be even slower.
Its not only newbie gains.
Ok what are newbie gains? Do they stop being newbie gains once you hit a certain weight of gains or? I'm confused. All gains are gains. And I don't think its good to recommend a surplus. People can only gain at MOST a lb of muscle a week at most and that's super pushing it mostly the rest is increase in glycogen stores, body fat and water. 20lbs a year of muscle is about the norm.
The numbers you have are for men - and usually in the first year - women are about half that.
Newbie gains are really not defined as such and there is not a 'cut off' - as in one day you have them and one day you do not. You require very little stimulus for myofibrillar and sarcoplasmic hypertrophy when you start lifting and you have some very beneficial nutrient partitioning going on. As you get more experience, you require more stimulus and have less ability to take advantage of these benefits, for want of a better word.
Recommending a surplus is fine - but the individual facts should be considered.
"newbie gains' can be used in the context of strength and muscle gain. I tend to use the period of about 3 - 6 months as that is where you seem to see most difference in response - but that's just me.
Cool thanks. Yes that's what I was saying about the surplus let's say she already at high bf a surplus won't be good bc even though you build muscle you still gain fat.0 -
nancyjay__ wrote: »nancyjay__ wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
yeah its called newbie gains, I said that though. but it wont be much if any since we are women and dont have the testosterone that men have to build it as quicklyCharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
to build muscle you have to eat at a caloric surplus. if she has a lot of body fat then a deficit will help get rid of that but she can still lift and get stronger. I do and Im on a deficit.I did get newbie gains but that was before I started my deficit and MFP.you cant build much muscle if any in a deficit unless you are an exception to the rule.nancyjay__ wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
IF,she is in a deficit the muscles are no going to get that big,she may get some newbie gains if shes never lifted before.she can strengthen the muscle which will make it look better, now if she is in a caloric surplus then yes she can build her butt up.nancyjay__ wrote: »Sumo squats, deadlifts, lunges... Unfortunately you can't target the weightloss but you can make certain muscles bigger and your butt is a muscle yay!!!! You want to gain mass you want to go heavy. Weightlifting is the best
Then I suggest a calorie to maintain weight then lift. She doesn't need to me on a surplus and depending on her body fat I probably won't suggest it
since we dont know how much fat she has or how much weight to lose then we have no clue.Like myself,I still have a good bit of body fat and I plan on losing it until I get to a healthy body fat then I plan on eating at a surplus to start building the muscle.I know eating what I do now is not going to build muscle(been working out almost 3 years)
You can build muscle at maintenance - it's called recomping - its slower than on a surplus, but it is possible. You possibly can also gain some muscle at a deficit, but it's less likely and if you do, will be even slower.
Its not only newbie gains.
Ok what are newbie gains? Do they stop being newbie gains once you hit a certain weight of gains or? I'm confused. All gains are gains. And I don't think its good to recommend a surplus. People can only gain at MOST a lb of muscle a week at most and that's super pushing it mostly the rest is increase in glycogen stores, body fat and water. 20lbs a year of muscle is about the norm.
The numbers you have are for men - and usually in the first year - women are about half that.
Newbie gains are really not defined as such and there is not a 'cut off' - as in one day you have them and one day you do not. You require very little stimulus for myofibrillar and sarcoplasmic hypertrophy when you start lifting and you have some very beneficial nutrient partitioning going on. As you get more experience, you require more stimulus and have less ability to take advantage of these benefits, for want of a better word.
Recommending a surplus is fine - but the individual facts should be considered.
"newbie gains' can be used in the context of strength and muscle gain. I tend to use the period of about 3 - 6 months as that is where you seem to see most difference in response - but that's just me.
Cool thanks. Yes that's what I was saying about the surplus let's say she already at high bf a surplus won't be good bc even though you build muscle you still gain fat.
I would not make the recommendation anyone to bulk if they were not already relatively lean.0 -
@nancyjay__ a couple squats...to tighten thighs. Crunches to tighten stomach.0
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CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
yeah its called newbie gains, I said that though. but it wont be much if any since we are women and dont have the testosterone that men have to build it as quicklyCharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
to build muscle you have to eat at a caloric surplus. if she has a lot of body fat then a deficit will help get rid of that but she can still lift and get stronger. I do and Im on a deficit.I did get newbie gains but that was before I started my deficit and MFP.you cant build much muscle if any in a deficit unless you are an exception to the rule.nancyjay__ wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
IF,she is in a deficit the muscles are no going to get that big,she may get some newbie gains if shes never lifted before.she can strengthen the muscle which will make it look better, now if she is in a caloric surplus then yes she can build her butt up.nancyjay__ wrote: »Sumo squats, deadlifts, lunges... Unfortunately you can't target the weightloss but you can make certain muscles bigger and your butt is a muscle yay!!!! You want to gain mass you want to go heavy. Weightlifting is the best
Then I suggest a calorie to maintain weight then lift. She doesn't need to me on a surplus and depending on her body fat I probably won't suggest it
since we dont know how much fat she has or how much weight to lose then we have no clue.Like myself,I still have a good bit of body fat and I plan on losing it until I get to a healthy body fat then I plan on eating at a surplus to start building the muscle.I know eating what I do now is not going to build muscle(been working out almost 3 years)
You can build muscle at maintenance - it's called recomping - its slower than on a surplus, but it is possible. You possibly can also gain some muscle at a deficit, but it's less likely and if you do, will be even slower.
Recomping and newbie gains are not the same thing. In fact two completely different things!
I'm 55 and have been training for 40 years and am still recomping successfully.
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@nancyjay__ a couple squats...to tighten thighs. Crunches to tighten stomach.
If you want to gain some muscle, you will have to do more than a couple of squats and crunches. You should look to getting yourself on a good progressive loading resistance training routine. One that is popular is Strong Curves by Brett Contreras.0 -
a couple squats and crunches alone will not help(even if you do 100s a day it wont help). you need to work the rest of your body as well,fat is going to come off where it wants to no matter what you do.@nancyjay__ a couple squats...to tighten thighs. Crunches to tighten stomach.
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you are eating at a surplus so that is why you are gaining muscle plus men gain it much faster than women. I dont see where I said recomping and newbie gains were the same, hmm. I have been lifting weights for almost 3 years,I just started eating at a deficit in sept. I can honestly say I havent gained much muscle but have gotten stronger. was I in a surplus before I started the deficit? I dont know,its possible I didnt weigh my food or count calories at that time.I have lost a lot of fat though.I doubt I even gained 5lb of muscle since I started,I could be wrong but I dont see a lot of muscle,just some.(no way to test it)CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
yeah its called newbie gains, I said that though. but it wont be much if any since we are women and dont have the testosterone that men have to build it as quicklyCharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
to build muscle you have to eat at a caloric surplus. if she has a lot of body fat then a deficit will help get rid of that but she can still lift and get stronger. I do and Im on a deficit.I did get newbie gains but that was before I started my deficit and MFP.you cant build much muscle if any in a deficit unless you are an exception to the rule.nancyjay__ wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
IF,she is in a deficit the muscles are no going to get that big,she may get some newbie gains if shes never lifted before.she can strengthen the muscle which will make it look better, now if she is in a caloric surplus then yes she can build her butt up.nancyjay__ wrote: »Sumo squats, deadlifts, lunges... Unfortunately you can't target the weightloss but you can make certain muscles bigger and your butt is a muscle yay!!!! You want to gain mass you want to go heavy. Weightlifting is the best
Then I suggest a calorie to maintain weight then lift. She doesn't need to me on a surplus and depending on her body fat I probably won't suggest it
since we dont know how much fat she has or how much weight to lose then we have no clue.Like myself,I still have a good bit of body fat and I plan on losing it until I get to a healthy body fat then I plan on eating at a surplus to start building the muscle.I know eating what I do now is not going to build muscle(been working out almost 3 years)
You can build muscle at maintenance - it's called recomping - its slower than on a surplus, but it is possible. You possibly can also gain some muscle at a deficit, but it's less likely and if you do, will be even slower.
Recomping and newbie gains are not the same thing. In fact two completely different things!
I'm 55 and have been training for 40 years and am still recomping successfully.0 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
you are eating at a surplus so that is why you are gaining muscle plus men gain it much faster than women. I dont see where I said recomping and newbie gains were the same, hmm. I have been lifting weights for almost 3 years,I just started eating at a deficit in sept. I can honestly say I havent gained much muscle but have gotten stronger. was I in a surplus before I started the deficit? I dont know,its possible I didnt weigh my food or count calories at that time.I have lost a lot of fat though.I doubt I even gained 5lb of muscle since I started,I could be wrong but I dont see a lot of muscle,just some.(no way to test it)CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
yeah its called newbie gains, I said that though. but it wont be much if any since we are women and dont have the testosterone that men have to build it as quicklyCharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
to build muscle you have to eat at a caloric surplus. if she has a lot of body fat then a deficit will help get rid of that but she can still lift and get stronger. I do and Im on a deficit.I did get newbie gains but that was before I started my deficit and MFP.you cant build much muscle if any in a deficit unless you are an exception to the rule.nancyjay__ wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
IF,she is in a deficit the muscles are no going to get that big,she may get some newbie gains if shes never lifted before.she can strengthen the muscle which will make it look better, now if she is in a caloric surplus then yes she can build her butt up.nancyjay__ wrote: »Sumo squats, deadlifts, lunges... Unfortunately you can't target the weightloss but you can make certain muscles bigger and your butt is a muscle yay!!!! You want to gain mass you want to go heavy. Weightlifting is the best
Then I suggest a calorie to maintain weight then lift. She doesn't need to me on a surplus and depending on her body fat I probably won't suggest it
since we dont know how much fat she has or how much weight to lose then we have no clue.Like myself,I still have a good bit of body fat and I plan on losing it until I get to a healthy body fat then I plan on eating at a surplus to start building the muscle.I know eating what I do now is not going to build muscle(been working out almost 3 years)
You can build muscle at maintenance - it's called recomping - its slower than on a surplus, but it is possible. You possibly can also gain some muscle at a deficit, but it's less likely and if you do, will be even slower.
Recomping and newbie gains are not the same thing. In fact two completely different things!
I'm 55 and have been training for 40 years and am still recomping successfully.
No I'm not eating at a surplus. I'm recomping - staying the same weight.
Please stop as you will confuse people - much of what you are saying is correct but you are throwing in quite a bit of misinformation too.
Sara explained what recomping is and you replied "yeah its called newbie gains".
No it isn't.
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CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
you are eating at a surplus so that is why you are gaining muscle plus men gain it much faster than women. I dont see where I said recomping and newbie gains were the same, hmm. I have been lifting weights for almost 3 years,I just started eating at a deficit in sept. I can honestly say I havent gained much muscle but have gotten stronger. was I in a surplus before I started the deficit? I dont know,its possible I didnt weigh my food or count calories at that time.I have lost a lot of fat though.I doubt I even gained 5lb of muscle since I started,I could be wrong but I dont see a lot of muscle,just some.(no way to test it)CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
yeah its called newbie gains, I said that though. but it wont be much if any since we are women and dont have the testosterone that men have to build it as quicklyCharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
to build muscle you have to eat at a caloric surplus. if she has a lot of body fat then a deficit will help get rid of that but she can still lift and get stronger. I do and Im on a deficit.I did get newbie gains but that was before I started my deficit and MFP.you cant build much muscle if any in a deficit unless you are an exception to the rule.nancyjay__ wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
IF,she is in a deficit the muscles are no going to get that big,she may get some newbie gains if shes never lifted before.she can strengthen the muscle which will make it look better, now if she is in a caloric surplus then yes she can build her butt up.nancyjay__ wrote: »Sumo squats, deadlifts, lunges... Unfortunately you can't target the weightloss but you can make certain muscles bigger and your butt is a muscle yay!!!! You want to gain mass you want to go heavy. Weightlifting is the best
Then I suggest a calorie to maintain weight then lift. She doesn't need to me on a surplus and depending on her body fat I probably won't suggest it
since we dont know how much fat she has or how much weight to lose then we have no clue.Like myself,I still have a good bit of body fat and I plan on losing it until I get to a healthy body fat then I plan on eating at a surplus to start building the muscle.I know eating what I do now is not going to build muscle(been working out almost 3 years)
You can build muscle at maintenance - it's called recomping - its slower than on a surplus, but it is possible. You possibly can also gain some muscle at a deficit, but it's less likely and if you do, will be even slower.
Recomping and newbie gains are not the same thing. In fact two completely different things!
I'm 55 and have been training for 40 years and am still recomping successfully.
Why are you assuming he is at a surplus. If he has not gained, he has not been.
If you were losing weight (irrespective of whether you were logging properly) you were in a deficit.
No-one is saying you can gain a lot on a deficit. Just because you did not gain much, does not mean you cannot gain any at maintenance or even at a deficit or that others would not gain more.
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@nancyjay__ a couple squats...to tighten thighs. Crunches to tighten stomach.
If you want to gain some muscle, you will have to do more than a couple of squats and crunches. You should look to getting yourself on a good progressive loading resistance training routine. One that is popular is Strong Curves by Brett Contreras.
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Just listen to Sara
and don't add extra misinformation. A lot of people have these weird taboos and extras. Find your body fat find your body weight maintenance calories choose whether you want to cut or bulk or recomp 0 -
his diary I looked and most days its over 2500 calories, today was over that too.I mean maybe for him that is maintaining . but for most that would be a surplus.CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
you are eating at a surplus so that is why you are gaining muscle plus men gain it much faster than women. I dont see where I said recomping and newbie gains were the same, hmm. I have been lifting weights for almost 3 years,I just started eating at a deficit in sept. I can honestly say I havent gained much muscle but have gotten stronger. was I in a surplus before I started the deficit? I dont know,its possible I didnt weigh my food or count calories at that time.I have lost a lot of fat though.I doubt I even gained 5lb of muscle since I started,I could be wrong but I dont see a lot of muscle,just some.(no way to test it)CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
yeah its called newbie gains, I said that though. but it wont be much if any since we are women and dont have the testosterone that men have to build it as quicklyCharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
to build muscle you have to eat at a caloric surplus. if she has a lot of body fat then a deficit will help get rid of that but she can still lift and get stronger. I do and Im on a deficit.I did get newbie gains but that was before I started my deficit and MFP.you cant build much muscle if any in a deficit unless you are an exception to the rule.nancyjay__ wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
IF,she is in a deficit the muscles are no going to get that big,she may get some newbie gains if shes never lifted before.she can strengthen the muscle which will make it look better, now if she is in a caloric surplus then yes she can build her butt up.nancyjay__ wrote: »Sumo squats, deadlifts, lunges... Unfortunately you can't target the weightloss but you can make certain muscles bigger and your butt is a muscle yay!!!! You want to gain mass you want to go heavy. Weightlifting is the best
Then I suggest a calorie to maintain weight then lift. She doesn't need to me on a surplus and depending on her body fat I probably won't suggest it
since we dont know how much fat she has or how much weight to lose then we have no clue.Like myself,I still have a good bit of body fat and I plan on losing it until I get to a healthy body fat then I plan on eating at a surplus to start building the muscle.I know eating what I do now is not going to build muscle(been working out almost 3 years)
You can build muscle at maintenance - it's called recomping - its slower than on a surplus, but it is possible. You possibly can also gain some muscle at a deficit, but it's less likely and if you do, will be even slower.
Recomping and newbie gains are not the same thing. In fact two completely different things!
I'm 55 and have been training for 40 years and am still recomping successfully.
Why are you assuming he is at a surplus. If he has not gained, he has not been.
If you were losing weight (irrespective of whether you were logging properly) you were in a deficit.
No-one is saying you can gain a lot on a deficit. Just because you did not gain much, does not mean you cannot gain any at maintenance or even at a deficit or that others would not gain more.
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and I love how some tell you not to add misinformation but its ok for them to do it. but its whatever. not going to argue.0
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CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
his diary I looked and most days its over 2500 calories, today was over that too.I mean maybe for him that is maintaining . but for most that would be a surplus.CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
you are eating at a surplus so that is why you are gaining muscle plus men gain it much faster than women. I dont see where I said recomping and newbie gains were the same, hmm. I have been lifting weights for almost 3 years,I just started eating at a deficit in sept. I can honestly say I havent gained much muscle but have gotten stronger. was I in a surplus before I started the deficit? I dont know,its possible I didnt weigh my food or count calories at that time.I have lost a lot of fat though.I doubt I even gained 5lb of muscle since I started,I could be wrong but I dont see a lot of muscle,just some.(no way to test it)CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
yeah its called newbie gains, I said that though. but it wont be much if any since we are women and dont have the testosterone that men have to build it as quicklyCharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
to build muscle you have to eat at a caloric surplus. if she has a lot of body fat then a deficit will help get rid of that but she can still lift and get stronger. I do and Im on a deficit.I did get newbie gains but that was before I started my deficit and MFP.you cant build much muscle if any in a deficit unless you are an exception to the rule.nancyjay__ wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
IF,she is in a deficit the muscles are no going to get that big,she may get some newbie gains if shes never lifted before.she can strengthen the muscle which will make it look better, now if she is in a caloric surplus then yes she can build her butt up.nancyjay__ wrote: »Sumo squats, deadlifts, lunges... Unfortunately you can't target the weightloss but you can make certain muscles bigger and your butt is a muscle yay!!!! You want to gain mass you want to go heavy. Weightlifting is the best
Then I suggest a calorie to maintain weight then lift. She doesn't need to me on a surplus and depending on her body fat I probably won't suggest it
since we dont know how much fat she has or how much weight to lose then we have no clue.Like myself,I still have a good bit of body fat and I plan on losing it until I get to a healthy body fat then I plan on eating at a surplus to start building the muscle.I know eating what I do now is not going to build muscle(been working out almost 3 years)
You can build muscle at maintenance - it's called recomping - its slower than on a surplus, but it is possible. You possibly can also gain some muscle at a deficit, but it's less likely and if you do, will be even slower.
Recomping and newbie gains are not the same thing. In fact two completely different things!
I'm 55 and have been training for 40 years and am still recomping successfully.
Why are you assuming he is at a surplus. If he has not gained, he has not been.
If you were losing weight (irrespective of whether you were logging properly) you were in a deficit.
No-one is saying you can gain a lot on a deficit. Just because you did not gain much, does not mean you cannot gain any at maintenance or even at a deficit or that others would not gain more.
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CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
his diary I looked and most days its over 2500 calories, today was over that too.I mean maybe for him that is maintaining . but for most that would be a surplus.CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
you are eating at a surplus so that is why you are gaining muscle plus men gain it much faster than women. I dont see where I said recomping and newbie gains were the same, hmm. I have been lifting weights for almost 3 years,I just started eating at a deficit in sept. I can honestly say I havent gained much muscle but have gotten stronger. was I in a surplus before I started the deficit? I dont know,its possible I didnt weigh my food or count calories at that time.I have lost a lot of fat though.I doubt I even gained 5lb of muscle since I started,I could be wrong but I dont see a lot of muscle,just some.(no way to test it)CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
yeah its called newbie gains, I said that though. but it wont be much if any since we are women and dont have the testosterone that men have to build it as quicklyCharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
to build muscle you have to eat at a caloric surplus. if she has a lot of body fat then a deficit will help get rid of that but she can still lift and get stronger. I do and Im on a deficit.I did get newbie gains but that was before I started my deficit and MFP.you cant build much muscle if any in a deficit unless you are an exception to the rule.nancyjay__ wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
IF,she is in a deficit the muscles are no going to get that big,she may get some newbie gains if shes never lifted before.she can strengthen the muscle which will make it look better, now if she is in a caloric surplus then yes she can build her butt up.nancyjay__ wrote: »Sumo squats, deadlifts, lunges... Unfortunately you can't target the weightloss but you can make certain muscles bigger and your butt is a muscle yay!!!! You want to gain mass you want to go heavy. Weightlifting is the best
Then I suggest a calorie to maintain weight then lift. She doesn't need to me on a surplus and depending on her body fat I probably won't suggest it
since we dont know how much fat she has or how much weight to lose then we have no clue.Like myself,I still have a good bit of body fat and I plan on losing it until I get to a healthy body fat then I plan on eating at a surplus to start building the muscle.I know eating what I do now is not going to build muscle(been working out almost 3 years)
You can build muscle at maintenance - it's called recomping - its slower than on a surplus, but it is possible. You possibly can also gain some muscle at a deficit, but it's less likely and if you do, will be even slower.
Recomping and newbie gains are not the same thing. In fact two completely different things!
I'm 55 and have been training for 40 years and am still recomping successfully.
Why are you assuming he is at a surplus. If he has not gained, he has not been.
If you were losing weight (irrespective of whether you were logging properly) you were in a deficit.
No-one is saying you can gain a lot on a deficit. Just because you did not gain much, does not mean you cannot gain any at maintenance or even at a deficit or that others would not gain more.
I cycled for almost 4 hours today - so have earned a lot of exercise calories.
Yesterday I was over calories, today I will be under calories.
I exercise a lot - I get to eat a lot to maintain. It's really not that complex!
By the way 2500 is not even a lot of calories for an active man.
For your information I have never done a bulk/cut cycle to gain muscle. It would be contrary to my particular fitness/exercise goals.
If you want me to explain in more detail I'm happy to do so but lets stop derailing the OP's thread.
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CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
his diary I looked and most days its over 2500 calories, today was over that too.I mean maybe for him that is maintaining . but for most that would be a surplus.CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
you are eating at a surplus so that is why you are gaining muscle plus men gain it much faster than women. I dont see where I said recomping and newbie gains were the same, hmm. I have been lifting weights for almost 3 years,I just started eating at a deficit in sept. I can honestly say I havent gained much muscle but have gotten stronger. was I in a surplus before I started the deficit? I dont know,its possible I didnt weigh my food or count calories at that time.I have lost a lot of fat though.I doubt I even gained 5lb of muscle since I started,I could be wrong but I dont see a lot of muscle,just some.(no way to test it)CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
yeah its called newbie gains, I said that though. but it wont be much if any since we are women and dont have the testosterone that men have to build it as quicklyCharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
to build muscle you have to eat at a caloric surplus. if she has a lot of body fat then a deficit will help get rid of that but she can still lift and get stronger. I do and Im on a deficit.I did get newbie gains but that was before I started my deficit and MFP.you cant build much muscle if any in a deficit unless you are an exception to the rule.nancyjay__ wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
IF,she is in a deficit the muscles are no going to get that big,she may get some newbie gains if shes never lifted before.she can strengthen the muscle which will make it look better, now if she is in a caloric surplus then yes she can build her butt up.nancyjay__ wrote: »Sumo squats, deadlifts, lunges... Unfortunately you can't target the weightloss but you can make certain muscles bigger and your butt is a muscle yay!!!! You want to gain mass you want to go heavy. Weightlifting is the best
Then I suggest a calorie to maintain weight then lift. She doesn't need to me on a surplus and depending on her body fat I probably won't suggest it
since we dont know how much fat she has or how much weight to lose then we have no clue.Like myself,I still have a good bit of body fat and I plan on losing it until I get to a healthy body fat then I plan on eating at a surplus to start building the muscle.I know eating what I do now is not going to build muscle(been working out almost 3 years)
You can build muscle at maintenance - it's called recomping - its slower than on a surplus, but it is possible. You possibly can also gain some muscle at a deficit, but it's less likely and if you do, will be even slower.
Recomping and newbie gains are not the same thing. In fact two completely different things!
I'm 55 and have been training for 40 years and am still recomping successfully.
Why are you assuming he is at a surplus. If he has not gained, he has not been.
If you were losing weight (irrespective of whether you were logging properly) you were in a deficit.
No-one is saying you can gain a lot on a deficit. Just because you did not gain much, does not mean you cannot gain any at maintenance or even at a deficit or that others would not gain more.
Wut? How does what other people maintain at make one jot of difference. In any event, most active guys maintain on more than that.
You looked at his diary, and in the face of just his logging, decided he was at a surplus, even though he had said he was not and you obviously have no idea at what people of his activity level and size can possibly maintain at...riiiight!!
I maintain at 2,500.
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CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »and I love how some tell you not to add misinformation but its ok for them to do it. but its whatever. not going to argue.
What exact misinformation has he given. Please elaborate.0 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
his diary I looked and most days its over 2500 calories, today was over that too.I mean maybe for him that is maintaining . but for most that would be a surplus.CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
you are eating at a surplus so that is why you are gaining muscle plus men gain it much faster than women. I dont see where I said recomping and newbie gains were the same, hmm. I have been lifting weights for almost 3 years,I just started eating at a deficit in sept. I can honestly say I havent gained much muscle but have gotten stronger. was I in a surplus before I started the deficit? I dont know,its possible I didnt weigh my food or count calories at that time.I have lost a lot of fat though.I doubt I even gained 5lb of muscle since I started,I could be wrong but I dont see a lot of muscle,just some.(no way to test it)CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
yeah its called newbie gains, I said that though. but it wont be much if any since we are women and dont have the testosterone that men have to build it as quicklyCharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
to build muscle you have to eat at a caloric surplus. if she has a lot of body fat then a deficit will help get rid of that but she can still lift and get stronger. I do and Im on a deficit.I did get newbie gains but that was before I started my deficit and MFP.you cant build much muscle if any in a deficit unless you are an exception to the rule.nancyjay__ wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
IF,she is in a deficit the muscles are no going to get that big,she may get some newbie gains if shes never lifted before.she can strengthen the muscle which will make it look better, now if she is in a caloric surplus then yes she can build her butt up.nancyjay__ wrote: »Sumo squats, deadlifts, lunges... Unfortunately you can't target the weightloss but you can make certain muscles bigger and your butt is a muscle yay!!!! You want to gain mass you want to go heavy. Weightlifting is the best
Then I suggest a calorie to maintain weight then lift. She doesn't need to me on a surplus and depending on her body fat I probably won't suggest it
since we dont know how much fat she has or how much weight to lose then we have no clue.Like myself,I still have a good bit of body fat and I plan on losing it until I get to a healthy body fat then I plan on eating at a surplus to start building the muscle.I know eating what I do now is not going to build muscle(been working out almost 3 years)
You can build muscle at maintenance - it's called recomping - its slower than on a surplus, but it is possible. You possibly can also gain some muscle at a deficit, but it's less likely and if you do, will be even slower.
Recomping and newbie gains are not the same thing. In fact two completely different things!
I'm 55 and have been training for 40 years and am still recomping successfully.
Why are you assuming he is at a surplus. If he has not gained, he has not been.
If you were losing weight (irrespective of whether you were logging properly) you were in a deficit.
No-one is saying you can gain a lot on a deficit. Just because you did not gain much, does not mean you cannot gain any at maintenance or even at a deficit or that others would not gain more.
2,500 is not that many calories....How can you assume that is a surplus for someone? For you maybe. But I know a lot of females who maintain on 2,500 and even more.0 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
his diary I looked and most days its over 2500 calories, today was over that too.I mean maybe for him that is maintaining . but for most that would be a surplus.CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
you are eating at a surplus so that is why you are gaining muscle plus men gain it much faster than women. I dont see where I said recomping and newbie gains were the same, hmm. I have been lifting weights for almost 3 years,I just started eating at a deficit in sept. I can honestly say I havent gained much muscle but have gotten stronger. was I in a surplus before I started the deficit? I dont know,its possible I didnt weigh my food or count calories at that time.I have lost a lot of fat though.I doubt I even gained 5lb of muscle since I started,I could be wrong but I dont see a lot of muscle,just some.(no way to test it)CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
yeah its called newbie gains, I said that though. but it wont be much if any since we are women and dont have the testosterone that men have to build it as quicklyCharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
to build muscle you have to eat at a caloric surplus. if she has a lot of body fat then a deficit will help get rid of that but she can still lift and get stronger. I do and Im on a deficit.I did get newbie gains but that was before I started my deficit and MFP.you cant build much muscle if any in a deficit unless you are an exception to the rule.nancyjay__ wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
IF,she is in a deficit the muscles are no going to get that big,she may get some newbie gains if shes never lifted before.she can strengthen the muscle which will make it look better, now if she is in a caloric surplus then yes she can build her butt up.nancyjay__ wrote: »Sumo squats, deadlifts, lunges... Unfortunately you can't target the weightloss but you can make certain muscles bigger and your butt is a muscle yay!!!! You want to gain mass you want to go heavy. Weightlifting is the best
Then I suggest a calorie to maintain weight then lift. She doesn't need to me on a surplus and depending on her body fat I probably won't suggest it
since we dont know how much fat she has or how much weight to lose then we have no clue.Like myself,I still have a good bit of body fat and I plan on losing it until I get to a healthy body fat then I plan on eating at a surplus to start building the muscle.I know eating what I do now is not going to build muscle(been working out almost 3 years)
You can build muscle at maintenance - it's called recomping - its slower than on a surplus, but it is possible. You possibly can also gain some muscle at a deficit, but it's less likely and if you do, will be even slower.
Recomping and newbie gains are not the same thing. In fact two completely different things!
I'm 55 and have been training for 40 years and am still recomping successfully.
Why are you assuming he is at a surplus. If he has not gained, he has not been.
If you were losing weight (irrespective of whether you were logging properly) you were in a deficit.
No-one is saying you can gain a lot on a deficit. Just because you did not gain much, does not mean you cannot gain any at maintenance or even at a deficit or that others would not gain more.
I cycled for almost 4 hours today - so have earned a lot of exercise calories.
Yesterday I was over calories, today I will be under calories.
I exercise a lot - I get to eat a lot to maintain. It's really not that complex!
By the way 2500 is not even a lot of calories for an active man.
For your information I have never done a bulk/cut cycle to gain muscle. It would be contrary to my particular fitness/exercise goals.
If you want me to explain in more detail I'm happy to do so but lets stop derailing the OP's thread.
Heck, I maintain at 2,500 calories and I am pretty inactive outside of my lifting.
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CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
his diary I looked and most days its over 2500 calories, today was over that too.I mean maybe for him that is maintaining . but for most that would be a surplus.CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
you are eating at a surplus so that is why you are gaining muscle plus men gain it much faster than women. I dont see where I said recomping and newbie gains were the same, hmm. I have been lifting weights for almost 3 years,I just started eating at a deficit in sept. I can honestly say I havent gained much muscle but have gotten stronger. was I in a surplus before I started the deficit? I dont know,its possible I didnt weigh my food or count calories at that time.I have lost a lot of fat though.I doubt I even gained 5lb of muscle since I started,I could be wrong but I dont see a lot of muscle,just some.(no way to test it)CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
yeah its called newbie gains, I said that though. but it wont be much if any since we are women and dont have the testosterone that men have to build it as quicklyCharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
to build muscle you have to eat at a caloric surplus. if she has a lot of body fat then a deficit will help get rid of that but she can still lift and get stronger. I do and Im on a deficit.I did get newbie gains but that was before I started my deficit and MFP.you cant build much muscle if any in a deficit unless you are an exception to the rule.nancyjay__ wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
IF,she is in a deficit the muscles are no going to get that big,she may get some newbie gains if shes never lifted before.she can strengthen the muscle which will make it look better, now if she is in a caloric surplus then yes she can build her butt up.nancyjay__ wrote: »Sumo squats, deadlifts, lunges... Unfortunately you can't target the weightloss but you can make certain muscles bigger and your butt is a muscle yay!!!! You want to gain mass you want to go heavy. Weightlifting is the best
Then I suggest a calorie to maintain weight then lift. She doesn't need to me on a surplus and depending on her body fat I probably won't suggest it
since we dont know how much fat she has or how much weight to lose then we have no clue.Like myself,I still have a good bit of body fat and I plan on losing it until I get to a healthy body fat then I plan on eating at a surplus to start building the muscle.I know eating what I do now is not going to build muscle(been working out almost 3 years)
You can build muscle at maintenance - it's called recomping - its slower than on a surplus, but it is possible. You possibly can also gain some muscle at a deficit, but it's less likely and if you do, will be even slower.
Recomping and newbie gains are not the same thing. In fact two completely different things!
I'm 55 and have been training for 40 years and am still recomping successfully.
Why are you assuming he is at a surplus. If he has not gained, he has not been.
If you were losing weight (irrespective of whether you were logging properly) you were in a deficit.
No-one is saying you can gain a lot on a deficit. Just because you did not gain much, does not mean you cannot gain any at maintenance or even at a deficit or that others would not gain more.
I cycled for almost 4 hours today - so have earned a lot of exercise calories.
Yesterday I was over calories, today I will be under calories.
I exercise a lot - I get to eat a lot to maintain. It's really not that complex!
By the way 2500 is not even a lot of calories for an active man.
For your information I have never done a bulk/cut cycle to gain muscle. It would be contrary to my particular fitness/exercise goals.
If you want me to explain in more detail I'm happy to do so but lets stop derailing the OP's thread.
Heck, I maintain at 2,500 calories and I am pretty inactive outside of my lifting.
I want to eat 2500 to maintain...so. badly.0 -
arditarose wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
his diary I looked and most days its over 2500 calories, today was over that too.I mean maybe for him that is maintaining . but for most that would be a surplus.CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
you are eating at a surplus so that is why you are gaining muscle plus men gain it much faster than women. I dont see where I said recomping and newbie gains were the same, hmm. I have been lifting weights for almost 3 years,I just started eating at a deficit in sept. I can honestly say I havent gained much muscle but have gotten stronger. was I in a surplus before I started the deficit? I dont know,its possible I didnt weigh my food or count calories at that time.I have lost a lot of fat though.I doubt I even gained 5lb of muscle since I started,I could be wrong but I dont see a lot of muscle,just some.(no way to test it)CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
yeah its called newbie gains, I said that though. but it wont be much if any since we are women and dont have the testosterone that men have to build it as quicklyCharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
to build muscle you have to eat at a caloric surplus. if she has a lot of body fat then a deficit will help get rid of that but she can still lift and get stronger. I do and Im on a deficit.I did get newbie gains but that was before I started my deficit and MFP.you cant build much muscle if any in a deficit unless you are an exception to the rule.nancyjay__ wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
IF,she is in a deficit the muscles are no going to get that big,she may get some newbie gains if shes never lifted before.she can strengthen the muscle which will make it look better, now if she is in a caloric surplus then yes she can build her butt up.nancyjay__ wrote: »Sumo squats, deadlifts, lunges... Unfortunately you can't target the weightloss but you can make certain muscles bigger and your butt is a muscle yay!!!! You want to gain mass you want to go heavy. Weightlifting is the best
Then I suggest a calorie to maintain weight then lift. She doesn't need to me on a surplus and depending on her body fat I probably won't suggest it
since we dont know how much fat she has or how much weight to lose then we have no clue.Like myself,I still have a good bit of body fat and I plan on losing it until I get to a healthy body fat then I plan on eating at a surplus to start building the muscle.I know eating what I do now is not going to build muscle(been working out almost 3 years)
You can build muscle at maintenance - it's called recomping - its slower than on a surplus, but it is possible. You possibly can also gain some muscle at a deficit, but it's less likely and if you do, will be even slower.
Recomping and newbie gains are not the same thing. In fact two completely different things!
I'm 55 and have been training for 40 years and am still recomping successfully.
Why are you assuming he is at a surplus. If he has not gained, he has not been.
If you were losing weight (irrespective of whether you were logging properly) you were in a deficit.
No-one is saying you can gain a lot on a deficit. Just because you did not gain much, does not mean you cannot gain any at maintenance or even at a deficit or that others would not gain more.
I cycled for almost 4 hours today - so have earned a lot of exercise calories.
Yesterday I was over calories, today I will be under calories.
I exercise a lot - I get to eat a lot to maintain. It's really not that complex!
By the way 2500 is not even a lot of calories for an active man.
For your information I have never done a bulk/cut cycle to gain muscle. It would be contrary to my particular fitness/exercise goals.
If you want me to explain in more detail I'm happy to do so but lets stop derailing the OP's thread.
Heck, I maintain at 2,500 calories and I am pretty inactive outside of my lifting.
I want to eat 2500 to maintain...so. badly.
I am quite a bit heavier than you I expect
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arditarose wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
his diary I looked and most days its over 2500 calories, today was over that too.I mean maybe for him that is maintaining . but for most that would be a surplus.CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
you are eating at a surplus so that is why you are gaining muscle plus men gain it much faster than women. I dont see where I said recomping and newbie gains were the same, hmm. I have been lifting weights for almost 3 years,I just started eating at a deficit in sept. I can honestly say I havent gained much muscle but have gotten stronger. was I in a surplus before I started the deficit? I dont know,its possible I didnt weigh my food or count calories at that time.I have lost a lot of fat though.I doubt I even gained 5lb of muscle since I started,I could be wrong but I dont see a lot of muscle,just some.(no way to test it)CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
yeah its called newbie gains, I said that though. but it wont be much if any since we are women and dont have the testosterone that men have to build it as quicklyCharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
to build muscle you have to eat at a caloric surplus. if she has a lot of body fat then a deficit will help get rid of that but she can still lift and get stronger. I do and Im on a deficit.I did get newbie gains but that was before I started my deficit and MFP.you cant build much muscle if any in a deficit unless you are an exception to the rule.nancyjay__ wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
IF,she is in a deficit the muscles are no going to get that big,she may get some newbie gains if shes never lifted before.she can strengthen the muscle which will make it look better, now if she is in a caloric surplus then yes she can build her butt up.nancyjay__ wrote: »Sumo squats, deadlifts, lunges... Unfortunately you can't target the weightloss but you can make certain muscles bigger and your butt is a muscle yay!!!! You want to gain mass you want to go heavy. Weightlifting is the best
Then I suggest a calorie to maintain weight then lift. She doesn't need to me on a surplus and depending on her body fat I probably won't suggest it
since we dont know how much fat she has or how much weight to lose then we have no clue.Like myself,I still have a good bit of body fat and I plan on losing it until I get to a healthy body fat then I plan on eating at a surplus to start building the muscle.I know eating what I do now is not going to build muscle(been working out almost 3 years)
You can build muscle at maintenance - it's called recomping - its slower than on a surplus, but it is possible. You possibly can also gain some muscle at a deficit, but it's less likely and if you do, will be even slower.
Recomping and newbie gains are not the same thing. In fact two completely different things!
I'm 55 and have been training for 40 years and am still recomping successfully.
Why are you assuming he is at a surplus. If he has not gained, he has not been.
If you were losing weight (irrespective of whether you were logging properly) you were in a deficit.
No-one is saying you can gain a lot on a deficit. Just because you did not gain much, does not mean you cannot gain any at maintenance or even at a deficit or that others would not gain more.
2,500 is not that many calories....How can you assume that is a surplus for someone? For you maybe. But I know a lot of females who maintain on 2,500 and even more.
It's not only assuming - its basically calling the poster a liar.
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arditarose wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
his diary I looked and most days its over 2500 calories, today was over that too.I mean maybe for him that is maintaining . but for most that would be a surplus.CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
you are eating at a surplus so that is why you are gaining muscle plus men gain it much faster than women. I dont see where I said recomping and newbie gains were the same, hmm. I have been lifting weights for almost 3 years,I just started eating at a deficit in sept. I can honestly say I havent gained much muscle but have gotten stronger. was I in a surplus before I started the deficit? I dont know,its possible I didnt weigh my food or count calories at that time.I have lost a lot of fat though.I doubt I even gained 5lb of muscle since I started,I could be wrong but I dont see a lot of muscle,just some.(no way to test it)CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
yeah its called newbie gains, I said that though. but it wont be much if any since we are women and dont have the testosterone that men have to build it as quicklyCharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
to build muscle you have to eat at a caloric surplus. if she has a lot of body fat then a deficit will help get rid of that but she can still lift and get stronger. I do and Im on a deficit.I did get newbie gains but that was before I started my deficit and MFP.you cant build much muscle if any in a deficit unless you are an exception to the rule.nancyjay__ wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
IF,she is in a deficit the muscles are no going to get that big,she may get some newbie gains if shes never lifted before.she can strengthen the muscle which will make it look better, now if she is in a caloric surplus then yes she can build her butt up.nancyjay__ wrote: »Sumo squats, deadlifts, lunges... Unfortunately you can't target the weightloss but you can make certain muscles bigger and your butt is a muscle yay!!!! You want to gain mass you want to go heavy. Weightlifting is the best
Then I suggest a calorie to maintain weight then lift. She doesn't need to me on a surplus and depending on her body fat I probably won't suggest it
since we dont know how much fat she has or how much weight to lose then we have no clue.Like myself,I still have a good bit of body fat and I plan on losing it until I get to a healthy body fat then I plan on eating at a surplus to start building the muscle.I know eating what I do now is not going to build muscle(been working out almost 3 years)
You can build muscle at maintenance - it's called recomping - its slower than on a surplus, but it is possible. You possibly can also gain some muscle at a deficit, but it's less likely and if you do, will be even slower.
Recomping and newbie gains are not the same thing. In fact two completely different things!
I'm 55 and have been training for 40 years and am still recomping successfully.
Why are you assuming he is at a surplus. If he has not gained, he has not been.
If you were losing weight (irrespective of whether you were logging properly) you were in a deficit.
No-one is saying you can gain a lot on a deficit. Just because you did not gain much, does not mean you cannot gain any at maintenance or even at a deficit or that others would not gain more.
I cycled for almost 4 hours today - so have earned a lot of exercise calories.
Yesterday I was over calories, today I will be under calories.
I exercise a lot - I get to eat a lot to maintain. It's really not that complex!
By the way 2500 is not even a lot of calories for an active man.
For your information I have never done a bulk/cut cycle to gain muscle. It would be contrary to my particular fitness/exercise goals.
If you want me to explain in more detail I'm happy to do so but lets stop derailing the OP's thread.
Heck, I maintain at 2,500 calories and I am pretty inactive outside of my lifting.
I want to eat 2500 to maintain...so. badly.
I am quite a bit heavier than you I expect.
Yes, I am squishy still.0 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
his diary I looked and most days its over 2500 calories, today was over that too.I mean maybe for him that is maintaining . but for most that would be a surplus.CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
you are eating at a surplus so that is why you are gaining muscle plus men gain it much faster than women. I dont see where I said recomping and newbie gains were the same, hmm. I have been lifting weights for almost 3 years,I just started eating at a deficit in sept. I can honestly say I havent gained much muscle but have gotten stronger. was I in a surplus before I started the deficit? I dont know,its possible I didnt weigh my food or count calories at that time.I have lost a lot of fat though.I doubt I even gained 5lb of muscle since I started,I could be wrong but I dont see a lot of muscle,just some.(no way to test it)CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
yeah its called newbie gains, I said that though. but it wont be much if any since we are women and dont have the testosterone that men have to build it as quicklyCharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
to build muscle you have to eat at a caloric surplus. if she has a lot of body fat then a deficit will help get rid of that but she can still lift and get stronger. I do and Im on a deficit.I did get newbie gains but that was before I started my deficit and MFP.you cant build much muscle if any in a deficit unless you are an exception to the rule.nancyjay__ wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
IF,she is in a deficit the muscles are no going to get that big,she may get some newbie gains if shes never lifted before.she can strengthen the muscle which will make it look better, now if she is in a caloric surplus then yes she can build her butt up.nancyjay__ wrote: »Sumo squats, deadlifts, lunges... Unfortunately you can't target the weightloss but you can make certain muscles bigger and your butt is a muscle yay!!!! You want to gain mass you want to go heavy. Weightlifting is the best
Then I suggest a calorie to maintain weight then lift. She doesn't need to me on a surplus and depending on her body fat I probably won't suggest it
since we dont know how much fat she has or how much weight to lose then we have no clue.Like myself,I still have a good bit of body fat and I plan on losing it until I get to a healthy body fat then I plan on eating at a surplus to start building the muscle.I know eating what I do now is not going to build muscle(been working out almost 3 years)
You can build muscle at maintenance - it's called recomping - its slower than on a surplus, but it is possible. You possibly can also gain some muscle at a deficit, but it's less likely and if you do, will be even slower.
Recomping and newbie gains are not the same thing. In fact two completely different things!
I'm 55 and have been training for 40 years and am still recomping successfully.
Why are you assuming he is at a surplus. If he has not gained, he has not been.
If you were losing weight (irrespective of whether you were logging properly) you were in a deficit.
No-one is saying you can gain a lot on a deficit. Just because you did not gain much, does not mean you cannot gain any at maintenance or even at a deficit or that others would not gain more.
I cycled for almost 4 hours today - so have earned a lot of exercise calories.
Yesterday I was over calories, today I will be under calories.
I exercise a lot - I get to eat a lot to maintain. It's really not that complex!
By the way 2500 is not even a lot of calories for an active man.
For your information I have never done a bulk/cut cycle to gain muscle. It would be contrary to my particular fitness/exercise goals.
If you want me to explain in more detail I'm happy to do so but lets stop derailing the OP's thread.
Heck, I maintain at 2,500 calories and I am pretty inactive outside of my lifting.
Heck, I maintain at 2,500 calories and I am pretty inactive outside of my lifting.CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
his diary I looked and most days its over 2500 calories, today was over that too.I mean maybe for him that is maintaining . but for most that would be a surplus.CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
you are eating at a surplus so that is why you are gaining muscle plus men gain it much faster than women. I dont see where I said recomping and newbie gains were the same, hmm. I have been lifting weights for almost 3 years,I just started eating at a deficit in sept. I can honestly say I havent gained much muscle but have gotten stronger. was I in a surplus before I started the deficit? I dont know,its possible I didnt weigh my food or count calories at that time.I have lost a lot of fat though.I doubt I even gained 5lb of muscle since I started,I could be wrong but I dont see a lot of muscle,just some.(no way to test it)CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
yeah its called newbie gains, I said that though. but it wont be much if any since we are women and dont have the testosterone that men have to build it as quicklyCharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
to build muscle you have to eat at a caloric surplus. if she has a lot of body fat then a deficit will help get rid of that but she can still lift and get stronger. I do and Im on a deficit.I did get newbie gains but that was before I started my deficit and MFP.you cant build much muscle if any in a deficit unless you are an exception to the rule.nancyjay__ wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
IF,she is in a deficit the muscles are no going to get that big,she may get some newbie gains if shes never lifted before.she can strengthen the muscle which will make it look better, now if she is in a caloric surplus then yes she can build her butt up.nancyjay__ wrote: »Sumo squats, deadlifts, lunges... Unfortunately you can't target the weightloss but you can make certain muscles bigger and your butt is a muscle yay!!!! You want to gain mass you want to go heavy. Weightlifting is the best
Then I suggest a calorie to maintain weight then lift. She doesn't need to me on a surplus and depending on her body fat I probably won't suggest it
since we dont know how much fat she has or how much weight to lose then we have no clue.Like myself,I still have a good bit of body fat and I plan on losing it until I get to a healthy body fat then I plan on eating at a surplus to start building the muscle.I know eating what I do now is not going to build muscle(been working out almost 3 years)
You can build muscle at maintenance - it's called recomping - its slower than on a surplus, but it is possible. You possibly can also gain some muscle at a deficit, but it's less likely and if you do, will be even slower.
Recomping and newbie gains are not the same thing. In fact two completely different things!
I'm 55 and have been training for 40 years and am still recomping successfully.
Why are you assuming he is at a surplus. If he has not gained, he has not been.
If you were losing weight (irrespective of whether you were logging properly) you were in a deficit.
No-one is saying you can gain a lot on a deficit. Just because you did not gain much, does not mean you cannot gain any at maintenance or even at a deficit or that others would not gain more.
I cycled for almost 4 hours today - so have earned a lot of exercise calories.
Yesterday I was over calories, today I will be under calories.
I exercise a lot - I get to eat a lot to maintain. It's really not that complex!
By the way 2500 is not even a lot of calories for an active man.
For your information I have never done a bulk/cut cycle to gain muscle. It would be contrary to my particular fitness/exercise goals.
If you want me to explain in more detail I'm happy to do so but lets stop derailing the OP's thread.
Just logged by roast beef dinner (how very British!), 3576 cals for the day and 1097 cals under today's goal at the moment.
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CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
his diary I looked and most days its over 2500 calories, today was over that too.I mean maybe for him that is maintaining . but for most that would be a surplus.CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
you are eating at a surplus so that is why you are gaining muscle plus men gain it much faster than women. I dont see where I said recomping and newbie gains were the same, hmm. I have been lifting weights for almost 3 years,I just started eating at a deficit in sept. I can honestly say I havent gained much muscle but have gotten stronger. was I in a surplus before I started the deficit? I dont know,its possible I didnt weigh my food or count calories at that time.I have lost a lot of fat though.I doubt I even gained 5lb of muscle since I started,I could be wrong but I dont see a lot of muscle,just some.(no way to test it)CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
yeah its called newbie gains, I said that though. but it wont be much if any since we are women and dont have the testosterone that men have to build it as quicklyCharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
to build muscle you have to eat at a caloric surplus. if she has a lot of body fat then a deficit will help get rid of that but she can still lift and get stronger. I do and Im on a deficit.I did get newbie gains but that was before I started my deficit and MFP.you cant build much muscle if any in a deficit unless you are an exception to the rule.nancyjay__ wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
IF,she is in a deficit the muscles are no going to get that big,she may get some newbie gains if shes never lifted before.she can strengthen the muscle which will make it look better, now if she is in a caloric surplus then yes she can build her butt up.nancyjay__ wrote: »Sumo squats, deadlifts, lunges... Unfortunately you can't target the weightloss but you can make certain muscles bigger and your butt is a muscle yay!!!! You want to gain mass you want to go heavy. Weightlifting is the best
Then I suggest a calorie to maintain weight then lift. She doesn't need to me on a surplus and depending on her body fat I probably won't suggest it
since we dont know how much fat she has or how much weight to lose then we have no clue.Like myself,I still have a good bit of body fat and I plan on losing it until I get to a healthy body fat then I plan on eating at a surplus to start building the muscle.I know eating what I do now is not going to build muscle(been working out almost 3 years)
You can build muscle at maintenance - it's called recomping - its slower than on a surplus, but it is possible. You possibly can also gain some muscle at a deficit, but it's less likely and if you do, will be even slower.
Recomping and newbie gains are not the same thing. In fact two completely different things!
I'm 55 and have been training for 40 years and am still recomping successfully.
Why are you assuming he is at a surplus. If he has not gained, he has not been.
If you were losing weight (irrespective of whether you were logging properly) you were in a deficit.
No-one is saying you can gain a lot on a deficit. Just because you did not gain much, does not mean you cannot gain any at maintenance or even at a deficit or that others would not gain more.
I cycled for almost 4 hours today - so have earned a lot of exercise calories.
Yesterday I was over calories, today I will be under calories.
I exercise a lot - I get to eat a lot to maintain. It's really not that complex!
By the way 2500 is not even a lot of calories for an active man.
For your information I have never done a bulk/cut cycle to gain muscle. It would be contrary to my particular fitness/exercise goals.
If you want me to explain in more detail I'm happy to do so but lets stop derailing the OP's thread.
Heck, I maintain at 2,500 calories and I am pretty inactive outside of my lifting.CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
his diary I looked and most days its over 2500 calories, today was over that too.I mean maybe for him that is maintaining . but for most that would be a surplus.CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
you are eating at a surplus so that is why you are gaining muscle plus men gain it much faster than women. I dont see where I said recomping and newbie gains were the same, hmm. I have been lifting weights for almost 3 years,I just started eating at a deficit in sept. I can honestly say I havent gained much muscle but have gotten stronger. was I in a surplus before I started the deficit? I dont know,its possible I didnt weigh my food or count calories at that time.I have lost a lot of fat though.I doubt I even gained 5lb of muscle since I started,I could be wrong but I dont see a lot of muscle,just some.(no way to test it)CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
yeah its called newbie gains, I said that though. but it wont be much if any since we are women and dont have the testosterone that men have to build it as quicklyCharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
to build muscle you have to eat at a caloric surplus. if she has a lot of body fat then a deficit will help get rid of that but she can still lift and get stronger. I do and Im on a deficit.I did get newbie gains but that was before I started my deficit and MFP.you cant build much muscle if any in a deficit unless you are an exception to the rule.nancyjay__ wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
IF,she is in a deficit the muscles are no going to get that big,she may get some newbie gains if shes never lifted before.she can strengthen the muscle which will make it look better, now if she is in a caloric surplus then yes she can build her butt up.nancyjay__ wrote: »Sumo squats, deadlifts, lunges... Unfortunately you can't target the weightloss but you can make certain muscles bigger and your butt is a muscle yay!!!! You want to gain mass you want to go heavy. Weightlifting is the best
Then I suggest a calorie to maintain weight then lift. She doesn't need to me on a surplus and depending on her body fat I probably won't suggest it
since we dont know how much fat she has or how much weight to lose then we have no clue.Like myself,I still have a good bit of body fat and I plan on losing it until I get to a healthy body fat then I plan on eating at a surplus to start building the muscle.I know eating what I do now is not going to build muscle(been working out almost 3 years)
You can build muscle at maintenance - it's called recomping - its slower than on a surplus, but it is possible. You possibly can also gain some muscle at a deficit, but it's less likely and if you do, will be even slower.
Recomping and newbie gains are not the same thing. In fact two completely different things!
I'm 55 and have been training for 40 years and am still recomping successfully.
Why are you assuming he is at a surplus. If he has not gained, he has not been.
If you were losing weight (irrespective of whether you were logging properly) you were in a deficit.
No-one is saying you can gain a lot on a deficit. Just because you did not gain much, does not mean you cannot gain any at maintenance or even at a deficit or that others would not gain more.
I cycled for almost 4 hours today - so have earned a lot of exercise calories.
Yesterday I was over calories, today I will be under calories.
I exercise a lot - I get to eat a lot to maintain. It's really not that complex!
By the way 2500 is not even a lot of calories for an active man.
For your information I have never done a bulk/cut cycle to gain muscle. It would be contrary to my particular fitness/exercise goals.
If you want me to explain in more detail I'm happy to do so but lets stop derailing the OP's thread.
Heck, I maintain at 2,500 calories and I am pretty inactive outside of my lifting.
Just logged by roast beef dinner (how very British!), 3576 cals for the day and 1097 cals under today's goal at the moment.
Dang! That's how much I ate last Saturday. Too bad I was like 2,200 calories over maintenance.0 -
Just logged by roast beef dinner (how very British!), 3576 cals for the day and 1097 cals under today's goal at the moment.
People seem to think that we are in a constant state of surplus or deficit. It just does not work that way - we swing between them throughout the week - we swing between them throughout the day.
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arditarose wrote: »arditarose wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
his diary I looked and most days its over 2500 calories, today was over that too.I mean maybe for him that is maintaining . but for most that would be a surplus.CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
you are eating at a surplus so that is why you are gaining muscle plus men gain it much faster than women. I dont see where I said recomping and newbie gains were the same, hmm. I have been lifting weights for almost 3 years,I just started eating at a deficit in sept. I can honestly say I havent gained much muscle but have gotten stronger. was I in a surplus before I started the deficit? I dont know,its possible I didnt weigh my food or count calories at that time.I have lost a lot of fat though.I doubt I even gained 5lb of muscle since I started,I could be wrong but I dont see a lot of muscle,just some.(no way to test it)CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
yeah its called newbie gains, I said that though. but it wont be much if any since we are women and dont have the testosterone that men have to build it as quicklyCharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
to build muscle you have to eat at a caloric surplus. if she has a lot of body fat then a deficit will help get rid of that but she can still lift and get stronger. I do and Im on a deficit.I did get newbie gains but that was before I started my deficit and MFP.you cant build much muscle if any in a deficit unless you are an exception to the rule.nancyjay__ wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
IF,she is in a deficit the muscles are no going to get that big,she may get some newbie gains if shes never lifted before.she can strengthen the muscle which will make it look better, now if she is in a caloric surplus then yes she can build her butt up.nancyjay__ wrote: »Sumo squats, deadlifts, lunges... Unfortunately you can't target the weightloss but you can make certain muscles bigger and your butt is a muscle yay!!!! You want to gain mass you want to go heavy. Weightlifting is the best
Then I suggest a calorie to maintain weight then lift. She doesn't need to me on a surplus and depending on her body fat I probably won't suggest it
since we dont know how much fat she has or how much weight to lose then we have no clue.Like myself,I still have a good bit of body fat and I plan on losing it until I get to a healthy body fat then I plan on eating at a surplus to start building the muscle.I know eating what I do now is not going to build muscle(been working out almost 3 years)
You can build muscle at maintenance - it's called recomping - its slower than on a surplus, but it is possible. You possibly can also gain some muscle at a deficit, but it's less likely and if you do, will be even slower.
Recomping and newbie gains are not the same thing. In fact two completely different things!
I'm 55 and have been training for 40 years and am still recomping successfully.
Why are you assuming he is at a surplus. If he has not gained, he has not been.
If you were losing weight (irrespective of whether you were logging properly) you were in a deficit.
No-one is saying you can gain a lot on a deficit. Just because you did not gain much, does not mean you cannot gain any at maintenance or even at a deficit or that others would not gain more.
I cycled for almost 4 hours today - so have earned a lot of exercise calories.
Yesterday I was over calories, today I will be under calories.
I exercise a lot - I get to eat a lot to maintain. It's really not that complex!
By the way 2500 is not even a lot of calories for an active man.
For your information I have never done a bulk/cut cycle to gain muscle. It would be contrary to my particular fitness/exercise goals.
If you want me to explain in more detail I'm happy to do so but lets stop derailing the OP's thread.
Heck, I maintain at 2,500 calories and I am pretty inactive outside of my lifting.
I want to eat 2500 to maintain...so. badly.
I am quite a bit heavier than you I expect.
Yes, I am squishy still.
I have my fair share of squish. Mainly in datazz lol. 0
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