This is a pretty informative website for weight loss
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The first parts of that blog are actually pretty good but a) it goes nowhere b) Sam Felthman is a ridiculous example c) it's an IF promo.
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quacks gonna quack
"Insulin and insulin resistance drive obesity. Refined carbohydrates such as white sugar and white flour cause the greatest increase in insulin. These foods are quite fattening. This does not mean that all carbohydrates are similarly bad. There is a substantial difference between ‘good’ carbohydrates (whole fruits and vegetables) and ‘bad’ (sugar and flour). Kale and broccoli will not make you fat no matter how much you eat. But eating even modest amounts of sugar can certainly cause weight gain. Yet both are carbohydrates – so what is the difference? How do we distinguish the two?"
"Whether we classify carbohydrates by GI or GL, it becomes obvious that there is a clear distinction between refined carbohydrates and unrefined traditional foods. Western refined foods have a very high GI and GL. Traditional whole foods have low GL scores, despite containing similar amounts of carbohydrate. This is an essential distinguishing feature. Carbohydrates are not inherently fattening. The toxicity lies in the processing."
https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/the-great-carbohydrate-debate-how-to-lose-weight-viii/
Then promotes other quacks
"I’m a huge fan of Dr. Eenfeldt’s http://www.dietdoctor.com blog. It is consistently one of the most useful sources of nutritional information on the Internet."
https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/all-diets-fail-how-to-lose-weight-xi/0 -
RealFoodisGood wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »RealFoodisGood wrote: »
The first parts of that blog are actually pretty good but a) it goes nowhere b) Sam Felthman is a ridiculous example c) it's an IF promo.
The blog continues over many many links (bottom part of each article links to next one), and it definitely goes places, but takes a while. It's essentially a LCHF promo (along with IF).
Oh, I read it. I stand by what I said. It's a reductive argument to say weight loss can't happen and "set points" which are really an artefact of homeostasis. Homeostasis occurs in many systems but we know we don't have a pH, mineral density, etc. set point.
Appeal to authority, all docs have "high success" rates.Although SF is used as an example, most of the points are directly evidence based and linked to peer-reviewed articles. It's written by a specialist physician (Dr. Jason Fung) who treats these patients in this exact way in the hospital with very very high success.
"Cutting edge doctors treating patients in hospital with very high success rates based on peer-reviewed evidence" > stuff people say on forums.
So it's probably worth at least a consideration.
It's s promo site for a medical center.
I considered it. I and acg (hi there) are a few of the audience to actually read the content.
For the majority of the audience here it's probably overly wordy, too.
And yeah, a bit of quackery too.
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RealFoodisGood wrote: »1. How does the exerpt you quoted prove that he is a quack? I've only ever seen that principle work. and really well.
2. I thought the definition of a quack is someone who puts out information but has no track record of successfully treating people. This particular individual only gets amazing results from his patients - even reverses diabetes after years of being on insulin. Consistently. Therefore by definition, not a quack. You by comparison post lost of things, but have not demonstrated a track record of treating anybody successfully. Therefore a quack.
so you're trying to promote your own web site?
That's a no-no. (How would you know that otherwise?)
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RealFoodisGood wrote: »quacks gonna quack
"Insulin and insulin resistance drive obesity. Refined carbohydrates such as white sugar and white flour cause the greatest increase in insulin. These foods are quite fattening. This does not mean that all carbohydrates are similarly bad. There is a substantial difference between ‘good’ carbohydrates (whole fruits and vegetables) and ‘bad’ (sugar and flour). Kale and broccoli will not make you fat no matter how much you eat. But eating even modest amounts of sugar can certainly cause weight gain. Yet both are carbohydrates – so what is the difference? How do we distinguish the two?"
"Whether we classify carbohydrates by GI or GL, it becomes obvious that there is a clear distinction between refined carbohydrates and unrefined traditional foods. Western refined foods have a very high GI and GL. Traditional whole foods have low GL scores, despite containing similar amounts of carbohydrate. This is an essential distinguishing feature. Carbohydrates are not inherently fattening. The toxicity lies in the processing."
https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/the-great-carbohydrate-debate-how-to-lose-weight-viii/
Then promotes other quacks
"I’m a huge fan of Dr. Eenfeldt’s http://www.dietdoctor.com blog. It is consistently one of the most useful sources of nutritional information on the Internet."
https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/all-diets-fail-how-to-lose-weight-xi/
1. How does the exerpt you quoted prove that he is a quack? I've only ever seen that principle work. and really well.
2. I thought the definition of a quack is someone who puts out information but has no track record of successfully treating people. This particular individual only gets amazing results from his patients - even reverses diabetes after years of being on insulin. Consistently. Therefore by definition, not a quack. You by comparison post lost of things, but have not demonstrated a track record of treating anybody successfully. Therefore a quack.
"Refined carbohydrates such as white sugar and white flour cause the greatest increase in insulin. These foods are quite fattening"
^ not based in reality, also see studies on the insulin effect of whey protein compared to white bread and glucose
" Kale and broccoli will not make you fat no matter how much you eat. But eating even modest amounts of sugar can certainly cause weight gain. "
^ not based in reality either, see metabolic ward trials dealing with high sucrose diets during weight loss
"Carbohydrates are not inherently fattening. The toxicity lies in the processing"
Oh, toxicity lies in the processing, not the dosage? interesting
" I thought the definition of a quack is someone who puts out information but has no track record of successfully treating people. This particular individual only gets amazing results from his patients - even reverses diabetes after years of being on insulin. Consistently. Therefore by definition, not a quack. You by comparison post lost of things, but have not demonstrated a track record of treating anybody successfully. Therefore a quack"
Diets that promoted the HCG diet have successfully treated people, does not mean they are not quacks. So if you have not treated people = quack? Interesting. So most low carb advocates = quacks in your opinion?0 -
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RealFoodisGood wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »RealFoodisGood wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »RealFoodisGood wrote: »
The first parts of that blog are actually pretty good but a) it goes nowhere b) Sam Felthman is a ridiculous example c) it's an IF promo.
The blog continues over many many links (bottom part of each article links to next one), and it definitely goes places, but takes a while. It's essentially a LCHF promo (along with IF).
Oh, I read it. I stand by what I said. It's a reductive argument to say weight loss can't happen and "set points" which are really an artefact of homeostasis. Homeostasis occurs in many systems but we know we don't have a pH, mineral density, etc. set point.
Appeal to authority, all docs have "high success" rates.Although SF is used as an example, most of the points are directly evidence based and linked to peer-reviewed articles. It's written by a specialist physician (Dr. Jason Fung) who treats these patients in this exact way in the hospital with very very high success.
"Cutting edge doctors treating patients in hospital with very high success rates based on peer-reviewed evidence" > stuff people say on forums.
So it's probably worth at least a consideration.
It's s promo site for a medical center.
I considered it. I and acg (hi there) are a few of the audience to actually read the content.
For the majority of the audience here it's probably overly wordy, too.
And yeah, a bit of quackery too.
All docs have high success rates? Yeah, you're right, you look everywhere and all you see is thin muscular people with no disease and empty hospitals and empty waiting lists. Wonderful world.
Promo site for a medical center? It's a Canadian physician. Health care is much less privatized in Canada, and this doc is hospital based. Hospital based docs in Canada don't have to fight for business - the patients stream to them automatically from internal and external referrals. Display of information is meant to inform for the good of health care.
Altruism. Check.
Keeping up with your journal subscriptions, like you posted in another page?
Oh, wait.
Look at this..... From their web site.
Patients are charged $88.50 + HST ($100.00) for 6 months participation in the program. This fee includes: program materials, access to dietary workshops, and group dietary counselling sessions. Payment can be made by either cash or cheque. A receipt will be provided.
Yeah, not promo
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You can even join a long distance program... In dollars. Gee wiz.
Join the Long Distance Intensive Dietary Management Program
The Long Distance IDM Program (LDP) is available for patients living outside the Province of Ontario, who wish to receive dietary education and counselling based on the IDM Program’s philosophy from Megan Christie. Please note that Megan Christie is a clinical researcher and educator, and not a medical physician, nurse or registered dietician. She will not be able to adjust your medications or give you any medical advice. Patients seen in the Long Distance Program will not be under the medical care of Dr. Jason Fung. If you wish to participate in this program, your own physician must monitor your medications, blood sugars and blood work.
Cost
Patients are charged $177 + HST ($200 CND) for 12 months participation in the program. This fee includes: one 30-minute consultation with Megan Christie via GoToMeeting, 60 minute follow-up dietary counselling sessions via GoToMeeting, and dietary guidelines. A receipt will be provided.0 -
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Spammers gotta spam
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RealFoodisGood wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »RealFoodisGood wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »RealFoodisGood wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »RealFoodisGood wrote: »
The first parts of that blog are actually pretty good but a) it goes nowhere b) Sam Felthman is a ridiculous example c) it's an IF promo.
The blog continues over many many links (bottom part of each article links to next one), and it definitely goes places, but takes a while. It's essentially a LCHF promo (along with IF).
Oh, I read it. I stand by what I said. It's a reductive argument to say weight loss can't happen and "set points" which are really an artefact of homeostasis. Homeostasis occurs in many systems but we know we don't have a pH, mineral density, etc. set point.
Appeal to authority, all docs have "high success" rates.Although SF is used as an example, most of the points are directly evidence based and linked to peer-reviewed articles. It's written by a specialist physician (Dr. Jason Fung) who treats these patients in this exact way in the hospital with very very high success.
"Cutting edge doctors treating patients in hospital with very high success rates based on peer-reviewed evidence" > stuff people say on forums.
So it's probably worth at least a consideration.
It's s promo site for a medical center.
I considered it. I and acg (hi there) are a few of the audience to actually read the content.
For the majority of the audience here it's probably overly wordy, too.
And yeah, a bit of quackery too.
All docs have high success rates? Yeah, you're right, you look everywhere and all you see is thin muscular people with no disease and empty hospitals and empty waiting lists. Wonderful world.
Promo site for a medical center? It's a Canadian physician. Health care is much less privatized in Canada, and this doc is hospital based. Hospital based docs in Canada don't have to fight for business - the patients stream to them automatically from internal and external referrals. Display of information is meant to inform for the good of health care.
Altruism. Check.
Keeping up with your journal subscriptions, like you posted in another page?
Oh, wait.
Look at this..... From their web site.
Patients are charged $88.50 + HST ($100.00) for 6 months participation in the program. This fee includes: program materials, access to dietary workshops, and group dietary counselling sessions. Payment can be made by either cash or cheque. A receipt will be provided.
Yeah, not promo
As I said. MUCH LESS PRIVATIZED. (does not equal NOT PRIVATIZED). And $88.50 for 6 months of care is a money maker??? You could make more money doing a newspaper route.
But it isn't 6 months of care.
And as you can see in the other post it about getting people to subscribe to a long distance DOLLAR program (they have American Dollars in Canada?) that provides NO MEDICAL care.
So yeah. Not promo.
Listen, I'm in Europe - I know all about much less privatized. It doesn't mean they aren't selling a service or promoting it.
It's right there in black an white.
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RealFoodisGood wrote: »What do people think?
I love how people ask this question when they don't really want the answer.
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RealFoodisGood wrote: »
I like his videos, perhaps its the accent. But he isn't a CICO guy so you'll be hated on. "Cannot reverse diabetes" - http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/reversal.htm - "Our work has shown that type 2 diabetes is not inevitably progressive and life-long. We have demonstrated that in people who have had type 2 diabetes for 4 years or less, major weight loss returns insulin secretion to normal." - which is pretty much the message of Dr Fung too - diabetes is certainly a one way street if you treat it that way with escalating meds and insulin.0 -
RealFoodisGood wrote: »quacks gonna quack
"Insulin and insulin resistance drive obesity. Refined carbohydrates such as white sugar and white flour cause the greatest increase in insulin. These foods are quite fattening. This does not mean that all carbohydrates are similarly bad. There is a substantial difference between ‘good’ carbohydrates (whole fruits and vegetables) and ‘bad’ (sugar and flour). Kale and broccoli will not make you fat no matter how much you eat. But eating even modest amounts of sugar can certainly cause weight gain. Yet both are carbohydrates – so what is the difference? How do we distinguish the two?"
"Whether we classify carbohydrates by GI or GL, it becomes obvious that there is a clear distinction between refined carbohydrates and unrefined traditional foods. Western refined foods have a very high GI and GL. Traditional whole foods have low GL scores, despite containing similar amounts of carbohydrate. This is an essential distinguishing feature. Carbohydrates are not inherently fattening. The toxicity lies in the processing."
https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/the-great-carbohydrate-debate-how-to-lose-weight-viii/
Then promotes other quacks
"I’m a huge fan of Dr. Eenfeldt’s http://www.dietdoctor.com blog. It is consistently one of the most useful sources of nutritional information on the Internet."
https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/all-diets-fail-how-to-lose-weight-xi/
1. How does the exerpt you quoted prove that he is a quack? I've only ever seen that principle work. and really well.
2. I thought the definition of a quack is someone who puts out information but has no track record of successfully treating people. This particular individual only gets amazing results from his patients - even reverses diabetes after years of being on insulin. Consistently. Therefore by definition, not a quack. You by comparison post lost of things, but have not demonstrated a track record of treating anybody successfully. Therefore a quack.
First off you can't reverse diabetes.
You're questioning someone's success but can you show us what success you've had?
While it may not be able to be reversed, it can be drastically delayed...I lowered my A1C from 11 to 6.0 via losing pounds and cutting out some carbs...Drastically reduced wheat intake and just about off all my meds. I keep carb intake to about 75 a day with some exceptions, but rarely ever over 120...I was on a death path for sure, but have never felt better...(my success story I guess)0 -
(Wheat thins is my main vice but overall, I used to consume 350 carbs a day and paid the price)0
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RealFoodisGood wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »RealFoodisGood wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »RealFoodisGood wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »RealFoodisGood wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »RealFoodisGood wrote: »
The first parts of that blog are actually pretty good but a) it goes nowhere b) Sam Felthman is a ridiculous example c) it's an IF promo.
The blog continues over many many links (bottom part of each article links to next one), and it definitely goes places, but takes a while. It's essentially a LCHF promo (along with IF).
Oh, I read it. I stand by what I said. It's a reductive argument to say weight loss can't happen and "set points" which are really an artefact of homeostasis. Homeostasis occurs in many systems but we know we don't have a pH, mineral density, etc. set point.
Appeal to authority, all docs have "high success" rates.Although SF is used as an example, most of the points are directly evidence based and linked to peer-reviewed articles. It's written by a specialist physician (Dr. Jason Fung) who treats these patients in this exact way in the hospital with very very high success.
"Cutting edge doctors treating patients in hospital with very high success rates based on peer-reviewed evidence" > stuff people say on forums.
So it's probably worth at least a consideration.
It's s promo site for a medical center.
I considered it. I and acg (hi there) are a few of the audience to actually read the content.
For the majority of the audience here it's probably overly wordy, too.
And yeah, a bit of quackery too.
All docs have high success rates? Yeah, you're right, you look everywhere and all you see is thin muscular people with no disease and empty hospitals and empty waiting lists. Wonderful world.
Promo site for a medical center? It's a Canadian physician. Health care is much less privatized in Canada, and this doc is hospital based. Hospital based docs in Canada don't have to fight for business - the patients stream to them automatically from internal and external referrals. Display of information is meant to inform for the good of health care.
Altruism. Check.
Keeping up with your journal subscriptions, like you posted in another page?
Oh, wait.
Look at this..... From their web site.
Patients are charged $88.50 + HST ($100.00) for 6 months participation in the program. This fee includes: program materials, access to dietary workshops, and group dietary counselling sessions. Payment can be made by either cash or cheque. A receipt will be provided.
Yeah, not promo
As I said. MUCH LESS PRIVATIZED. (does not equal NOT PRIVATIZED). And $88.50 for 6 months of care is a money maker??? You could make more money doing a newspaper route.
But it isn't 6 months of care.
And as you can see in the other post it about getting people to subscribe to a long distance DOLLAR program (they have American Dollars in Canada?) that provides NO MEDICAL care.
So yeah. Not promo.
Listen, I'm in Europe - I know all about much less privatized. It doesn't mean they aren't selling a service or promoting it.
It's right there in black an white.
Yeah, that makes sense. Our government funding doesn't cover everything. So anything that isn't covered comes out of the patient's pockets, not the doctors. If certain blood tests aren't covered, then patients have to pay.That's how it works around here. less than 100$ for reading materials/videos for any program is status quo really. Hell, you buy P90X, and it's over 100 bucks. That's just the instructional material. No weights or pull up bar or Tony Horton in real life.
Of course they are selling a service, but they don't get the money in return. The sell the service b/c treating patients is what needs to be done. They will get their money automatically from the government for consultations and treatments. Yes, the hospitals have to initially buy it to stock up on it, but the patient has to ultimately foot that bill if it isn't covered. Hospital budgets are tight and hospitals themselves are NOT money makers. They are in the hole, bigtime! Private clinics on the other hand, do yield a revenue, but it is to cover overhead. Many clinics in Canada don't yield a profit outside of the doctors billings for services rendered (ie, the docs don't keep the profit on things outside of billings, it goes back to the operations of the clinic).
What?
Who gets the money then?
You stated it isn't a promotional site - I showed that it is indeed selling something.
Now we have a a story on how they are losing money and it's all to treat patients? Oh, and I'm sure they get on salary from this. Sure.
And this is a private clinic called "corporate medical" or something.
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The linked articles are good. The "thermostat" metaphor isn't a bad way of looking at things, though it's not a complete metaphor.
The conclusions are highly suspect due to much thinner, anecdotal evidence.0 -
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Am I the only one giggling at "CRaP hypothesis?" *looks around* Ok, then *looks awkwardly at the ground*0
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