HCG drops?

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  • TheSpicyMermaid
    TheSpicyMermaid Posts: 279 Member
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    I had never even heard of homeopathy prior to that (it was 1992) and I have since learned to STFU about things I know nothing about, lol.

    LOL!!!
  • crystal_sapphire
    crystal_sapphire Posts: 1,205 Member
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    this diet works because you're eating at a very low calorie deficit for these rounds. nothing more.
  • tchrnmommy
    tchrnmommy Posts: 342 Member
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    this diet works because you're eating at a very low calorie deficit for these rounds. nothing more.

    Crystal, I respectfully disagree...you are misinformed. It's just not that simple. Eating that low of calories without taking the drops would actually stall your weight loss as your body would go into starvation mode.
  • jewelzz
    jewelzz Posts: 326 Member
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    ok im lost are we talking about people or is this an animal post?????? really!
  • SHBoss1673
    SHBoss1673 Posts: 7,161 Member
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    this diet works because you're eating at a very low calorie deficit for these rounds. nothing more.

    Crystal, I respectfully disagree...you are misinformed. It's just not that simple. Eating that low of calories without taking the drops would actually stall your weight loss as your body would go into starvation mode.

    This statement is explicitly false. Would your body go into starvation mode? Probably, or more likely the response from full blown starvation (the beginning stages of organ failure, vitamin deficiencies, immune system problems, skin/hair/nail problems...etc.) but it would NOT stall weight loss. It would ALTER weight loss, and much more would come from lean tissue canabalization, but weight loss would not stop.

    FYI, after years of studies, the results of multiple studies done on the HCG diet, and copius research into the human metabolism, I conclude the same thing as the original quote here, this diet works through placebo effect and the analogue of a VLCD (Very Low Calorie Diet) which is a clinical term used to describe a mostly liquid diet of between 500 and 800 calories for a 2 to 3 week period that doctors assign to patients who are not only morbidly obese, but also in real danger of immanent death from that weight. FYI in those situations, the patient is generally monitored either daily or weekly for blood nutrient levels and other signs that the diet can be causing harm.
  • SHBoss1673
    SHBoss1673 Posts: 7,161 Member
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    and just so everyone knows, while the feelings of hunger are real, they are controlled by hormones, and whether you use a drug or not, the body will (under normal conditions) alter these hormones to fit what it considers "normal" calorie amounts. After a few days of VLCD the body would consider much lower levels of calorie intake "normal" and thus a vastly reduced feeling of hunger.

    And addressing the idea that Human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG) will trigger fat release is speculation only, there's no clinical or researched-based evidence of this.

    We know from clinical study that HCG acts on "fast growing" cells and because of it's highly negative charge, it repels T cells, which keeps embryo's from being attacked by the human immune system, and that it elicits the increase in progesterone production, which helps feed the uterus. And we know that HCG is used as a fertility medication because it induces ovulation in women. We know of no benefits to fat cells or triglyceride extraction.
    At least nothing I've ever seen in my study (and I've studied a lot).

    If you have any medical research that shows this link, I'd really like to see it. Seriously. But I would request that it be medical research, not a website that explains the benefits of HCG (I've seen plenty of those already, none had any medical citation in them to back up claims).

    thanks,

    -Banks
  • tgh1914
    tgh1914 Posts: 1,036 Member
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    16 WHOLE days? :huh:

    You do not need to ingest preggo piss to lose weight effectively. Check out my ticker. All I used was MFP, with 99% of the losses coming from food choices and truly only 1% exercising.
    MFP is free, safe, effective, and SAFE.

    Nuff said.

    Let me clarify...16 days THIS ROUND...I have done the proctocol and earlier round and lost 18lbs in 21day...kept it off for 40 days...and am now doing my second round to get to my goal weight...

    I'm not here to start a "fight" with you...it's just another viewpoint I'm offering.
    I don't think 16 days or even 40 days qualifies as "living proof". Come back & tell us about your success after at least a year.
  • srrosenbalm
    srrosenbalm Posts: 35 Member
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    Sorry, I didn't mean to start any arguments! But thank you to everyone for giving me some answers!! I really appreciate it!
  • LuckyLeprechaun
    LuckyLeprechaun Posts: 6,296 Member
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    16 WHOLE days? :huh:

    You do not need to ingest preggo piss to lose weight effectively. Check out my ticker. All I used was MFP, with 99% of the losses coming from food choices and truly only 1% exercising.
    MFP is free, safe, effective, and SAFE.

    Nuff said.

    Let me clarify...16 days THIS ROUND...I have done the proctocol and earlier round and lost 18lbs in 21day...kept it off for 40 days...and am now doing my second round to get to my goal weight...

    I'm not here to start a "fight" with you...it's just another viewpoint I'm offering.
    I don't think 16 days or even 40 days qualifies as "living proof". Come back & tell us about your success after at least a year.

    Thank you for taking the words out of my mouth!!!
  • pittielover23
    pittielover23 Posts: 268
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    As someone who has naturally screwed up horomones, I would NEVER EVER EVER mess with horomones just to lose weight. This can and has resulted in a a permant horomone imbalance in women, and that is something I would not wish on anyone.
  • MaryS910
    MaryS910 Posts: 348 Member
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    I would venture to bet that a year from now, most of the people on MFP will have regained some, if not all of their weight. Statistically, that is what happens, no matter how you lose it. People have the best of intentions to never regain the weight and slowly, ever so slowly, it creeps back. Look at the number of people on here who say that they lost last year and that they are back and are really going to keep it off this time, etc.

    I've lost throught weight watchers and exercise and gained it back over the years.

    So HCG is certainly not unique in this regard.

    16 WHOLE days? :huh:

    You do not need to ingest preggo piss to lose weight effectively. Check out my ticker. All I used was MFP, with 99% of the losses coming from food choices and truly only 1% exercising.
    MFP is free, safe, effective, and SAFE.

    Nuff said.
    I don't think 16 days or even 40 days qualifies as "living proof". Come back & tell us about your success after at least a year.

    Thank you for taking the words out of my mouth!!!
  • SHBoss1673
    SHBoss1673 Posts: 7,161 Member
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    I would venture to bet that a year from now, most of the people on MFP will have regained some, if not all of their weight. Statistically, that is what happens, no matter how you lose it. People have the best of intentions to never regain the weight and slowly, ever so slowly, it creeps back. Look at the number of people on here who say that they lost last year and that they are back and are really going to keep it off this time, etc.

    I've lost throught weight watchers and exercise and gained it back over the years.

    So HCG is certainly not unique in this regard.

    16 WHOLE days? :huh:

    You do not need to ingest preggo piss to lose weight effectively. Check out my ticker. All I used was MFP, with 99% of the losses coming from food choices and truly only 1% exercising.
    MFP is free, safe, effective, and SAFE.

    Nuff said.
    I don't think 16 days or even 40 days qualifies as "living proof". Come back & tell us about your success after at least a year.

    Thank you for taking the words out of my mouth!!!

    This isn't any kind of a valid argument IMHO, I would retort that the people who gained the weight, stopped doing the work. BUT since we preach a lifestyle change, those that change their lifestyle (like myself, 4 years later, and not only have I kept my fat mass the same, it's decreased by about 4% while my lean tissue has increased by about 10 lbs) and stick with it keep the weight off.

    The problem with HCG is, you eventually have to stop taking it (along with all the other things associated with it), which means ANOTHER adjustment later. I say why make TWO (or more, as I understand there are multiple "stages" to the HCG program) changes when 1 would work if you took the time to stop, research, lay out a plan, and commit to being healthier. No pills necessary, same weight loss, a higher feeling of self esteem, no hormone changes required, and you don't have to pay for or remember to use a drug that the FDA and multiple independent research firms have confirmed doesn't do anything for fat loss.

    People need demons to blame their problems on, this may sound harsh, but you don't need to pin your weight gain on a "slow metabolism" as unless you have an actual glandular issue, that's probably false anyway. We need to face up to the fact that this stuff isn't easy, you have to make comittments, but not only that, you have to make the RIGHT comittment. And you have to understand that this is forever. To be healthy you eventually have to eat correctly and exercise, regardless of whether you take a pill, a drop, a shot, have surgery, or start with some "diet". In the end, what these programs all have in common is that, in the end they all tell you to eat a healthy, well balanced diet, and exercise to maintain your health. Why not just start out that way in the first place? Yes, it takes longer, yes the results are less obvious because they are more over time, but also they put less stress on your body and give you more time to adapt to changes, make them habits, and increase your chances of maintaining these positive changes.

    Are there situations where people NEED help? Yes, but most situations don't require it.
  • LuckyLeprechaun
    LuckyLeprechaun Posts: 6,296 Member
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    I would venture to bet that a year from now, most of the people on MFP will have regained some, if not all of their weight.

    I have been on MFP since December 2008. I lost my first 37 lbs very quickly and in 9/09, I stopped losing weight due to bereavement. I restarted MFP in 9/10, and I had not gained back anything during my year off. I have continued to lose, very successfully. The way I eat now is the way I will always eat. MFP has educated me about the caloric value of foods, and that knowledge isn't going to vanish from my brain.

    Anyone who stops choosing wisely and starts choosing poorly will regain weight. But the method they used to lose weight is not the reason they regain, it's the fact that they stopped making good choices.

    We have hundreds of members who have been successfully maintaining their goal weight for years now.

    Blanket statements that sound like "you're all just going to fail" sound very discouraging. And it's not true.
  • cmriverside
    cmriverside Posts: 34,008 Member
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    Tell it, Lucky!!
    Anyone who stops choosing wisely and starts choosing poorly will regain weight. But the method they used to lose weight is not the reason they regain, it's the fact that they stopped making good choices.

    We have hundreds of members who have been successfully maintaining their goal weight for years now.

    Blanket statements that sound like "you're all just going to fail" sound very discouraging. And it's not true.

    +1
  • pittielover23
    pittielover23 Posts: 268
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    I would venture to bet that a year from now, most of the people on MFP will have regained some, if not all of their weight. Statistically, that is what happens, no matter how you lose it. People have the best of intentions to never regain the weight and slowly, ever so slowly, it creeps back. Look at the number of people on here who say that they lost last year and that they are back and are really going to keep it off this time, etc.

    I've lost throught weight watchers and exercise and gained it back over the years.

    So HCG is certainly not unique in this regard.

    16 WHOLE days? :huh:

    You do not need to ingest preggo piss to lose weight effectively. Check out my ticker. All I used was MFP, with 99% of the losses coming from food choices and truly only 1% exercising.
    MFP is free, safe, effective, and SAFE.

    Nuff said.
    I don't think 16 days or even 40 days qualifies as "living proof". Come back & tell us about your success after at least a year.

    Thank you for taking the words out of my mouth!!!
    Well, that is lovely.

    Actually, studies show that people that lose weight in a healthy way are much more likely to keep it off long term. But what do I know, I apparently am just going to gain it all back anyway.
  • ajricketts
    ajricketts Posts: 32
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    There is no doubt that it works. I have a lady in my office that has been on since Saturday and has lost 5 pounds! That's crazy! However, you want to know where the weight is coming from. I read one testimonial where the gal lost about 22 pounds total over about 30 days. She knew all of her stats before and after and determined that she lost 8 pounds of muscle! That is really crazy! That will take probably close to a year to put all the muscle back on, with hard work.

    You may lose weight, but like there is no way to spot lose fat, there is no way to truly keep your body from consuming your vital fat and muscle without excerise, which you can't do on the drops.

    And as we all know, less lean body mass means less calories burned just being alive. Which means it's easier to eat more calories than you burn.
  • tgh1914
    tgh1914 Posts: 1,036 Member
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    I would venture to bet that a year from now, most of the people on MFP will have regained some, if not all of their weight. Statistically, that is what happens, no matter how you lose it. People have the best of intentions to never regain the weight and slowly, ever so slowly, it creeps back. Look at the number of people on here who say that they lost last year and that they are back and are really going to keep it off this time, etc.

    I've lost throught weight watchers and exercise and gained it back over the years.

    So HCG is certainly not unique in this regard.

    16 WHOLE days? :huh:

    You do not need to ingest preggo piss to lose weight effectively. Check out my ticker. All I used was MFP, with 99% of the losses coming from food choices and truly only 1% exercising.
    MFP is free, safe, effective, and SAFE.

    Nuff said.
    I don't think 16 days or even 40 days qualifies as "living proof". Come back & tell us about your success after at least a year.

    Thank you for taking the words out of my mouth!!!
    Well, I originally took some weight off about 2.5 years ago. Since that time I not only have kept it off but have made my goals more lofty and am getting close to those. Lifestyle change is definitely the way to go.

    In the back of my mind I kind of wonder if I'll ever go back to the way I was before, but I don't think so. It's just my lifestyle now. It's not that difficult for me anymore - to watch the weight anyway, not necessarily gaining muscle mass.
  • Ultima_Morpha
    Ultima_Morpha Posts: 895 Member
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    It is also a blanket statement to assume that everyone who uses HCG will automatically gain everything back. So many people like to say that it is the easy way out. Hormone or not...there is nothing easy about 500 calories a day. Those of us who are fat didn't get there because we were hungry...we responded to cravings.

    I still crave foods, but I can definitely say that I'm not experiencing an abnormal level of hunger between eating. It is hardly the worst thing I have done or could do to my body in my 35 years on this earth--including damage done with FDA approved drugs. Just to be clear...HCG is an FDA approved drug...it just isn't on label for weight loss. Doctors prescribe a multitude of drugs off label eveyday. Many drugs came into their current use because of a "side effect"...can anyone say Viagra?

    I'm eating natural, healthy foods in moderated portions. Counting calories, fat, fiber. Exercising. Hmmm...sounds an awful lot like what most people are doing to lose weight. If it is placebo effect (and I am not entirely convinced that its not) and that is what it takes to get me started back to a healthier life...I'll take it.

    While I agree, there are not medical studies that conclusively prove its efficacy...there are also none that I've seen that prove it harmful. All of the information is opinion or anecdotal.

    Regardless of how we get there, isn't the point to be healthier? I know that I won't get to my final goal on HCG...but I am readjusting my attitude toward food while I am on it.

    ETA: I am not tired dizzy, fatigued, having trouble concentrating, losing muscle strength, etc. I feel better than I have in months!
  • erinhale
    erinhale Posts: 137 Member
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    So why is everybody jumping on the HCG bandwagon? Because everybody wants a quick fix. The diet promises 40 pounds of weight loss in six weeks. People will do anything to feel more beautiful, more valuable, more desired, more socially acceptable.

    Don’t be tempted, my friends. The HCG diet is unsafe, it doesn’t work, and it’s little more than beautifully packaged snake oil. So do your body and your pocketbook a favor and steer clear.
    Instead, if you need to lose weight to be healthy, do it the good old fashioned way that really works. I know everyone wants a quick fix, but real, sustainable weight loss comes from eating less, focus more on wholesome foods, and EXERCISE.


    What is HCG?
    Human chorionic gonadotrophin (HCG) is a hormone found in the urine of pregnant women. More than 50 years ago, Dr. Albert T. Simeons, a British-born physician, contended that HCG injections would enable dieters to subsist comfortably on a 500-calorie-a-day diet. He claimed that HCG would mobilize stored fat; suppress appetite; and redistribute fat from the waist, hips, and thighs . There is no scientific evidence to support these claims.Moreover, a 500-calorie (semi-starvation) diet is likely to result in loss of protein from vital organs, and HCG can cause other adverse effects. Gabe Mirkin, M.D., has noted.

    Keep in mind that HCG is a hormone most commonly used in fertility treatments and to aid adolescents with endocrine problems during puberty. It is not — and never had been — a weight loss drug.

    Dr. Simeon did a study to “prove” his claims, but no other researchers were ever able to reproduce his work. After the HCG diet was discredited by the scientific community, the diet mostly disappeared until 2007, when infomercial king Kevin Trudeau began promoting it as the secret diet your doctor isn’t telling you about. And suddenly, products appeared all over the internet and doctors at integrative and alternative medicine centers started jumping on the bandwagon, causing the diet to experience an unfortunate resurgence. Variations of the diet exist, but most require daily HCG injections, drops, or sublingual dosing, and costs can run you up to $1500/month (padding the pockets of many a doc). The pregnancy hormone is combined with a highly restricted, low calorie diet of 500 calories/day.

    The pregnancy hormone tricks the body into believing that you’re pregnant, and because you’re starving the body, it starts eating away at fat — and you get no hunger pangs! Sounds good, right? To bad it eats away muscle first!
    The only reason why anyone loses weight off this diet is because they’re eating 500 calories a day. While calorie intakes are different from person to person, most nutrition information at the grocery store is based off a 2,000-calorie diet. For healthy weight loss, a daily intake of 1,200 to 1,800 calories is generally acceptable. While calorie intakes are different from person to person, most nutrition information at the grocery store is based off a 2,000-calorie diet. For healthy weight loss, a daily intake of 1,200 to 1,800 calories is generally acceptable. When a body is subsiding off 500 calories a day, the body leeches protein from the muscle in the heart, and that makes the heart muscle irritable, which can lead to ventricular tachycardia and sudden cardiac death.

    Being a fitness trainer, I can’t beileve I’m writing an article about a 500 calorie diet. If you’re a teenager or an adult, 500 calories for anyone is way too little. If you heard from a friend or anyone who suggested that you consume 500 calories a day to lose fat, then you have been provided with bad advice. Sure, at first you will lose weight which is obviously the goal, however your health will deteriorate and you will also lose a lot of muscle which is a bad thing.

    A 500 calorie diet deprives the body from not only the much needed nutrients, but also from sufficient energy it needs to operate. Your body alone burns approximately 900 to 2000 calories on it’s own. Take that number and add on the calories required for your daily activities and you will find it is generally above 1,200 calories. The bare minimum is 1,200 to 1,300 calories a day to maintain a healthy lifestyle but also lose fat.
    If you chose to only consume 500 calories a day, you would notice a few changes. You would feel completely without energy during much of the day, your body will feel depleted and sluggish. You will also notice weight loss which is exciting, but you will also notice strength loss from the loss of muscle tissue. When you realize a 500 calorie diet is unhealthy and decide to quit, you will gain all the weight back plus MORE. Why? Because the loss of muscle tissue creates way for more fat gain. In order to build that muscle back up, you will have to perform resistance training with either freeweights or machines.
  • roylawrence87
    roylawrence87 Posts: 970 Member
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    Hey, been at it over a year and there is no way in heck IM going back to that crap. I haven't gained weight back. I also lost all of my weight the healthy way and kept it off. If you do it correctly and make it a lifestyle change, then there won't be a problem gaining weight back. I know what to do and how to do it. You don't forget this stuff. It's like riding a bicycle.

    And some one should get Banks a medal.