Getting discouraged here

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  • whmscll
    whmscll Posts: 2,255 Member


    [/quote] I'm kind of glad it's slow. It's giving me plenty of time to really ingrain the changes I'm making and repair my relationship with food so that when I reach maintenance, I'll actually be able to maintain it and not gain it all back.[/quote]

    YES.
  • wizzybeth
    wizzybeth Posts: 3,578 Member
    Hi, are you limiting your sugars from any source be it nutrition bar, smoothie component, fruit juice, soft drinks. Then you should not eat any carbs out of a box, cereal, oatmeal, crackers, cookies. Then, limit your potatoes, rice, and pasta. Center on good protein with lots of good fats and some veggies. I know what you are thinking. Fats? Yes. It has been proven time and time again that eating a high fat diet instead of a high carb, low fat diet will help you lose weight. Fats will help you keep satiated. Remember to keep in your calorie range. Good Luck

    Do not listen to this person. This is mostly hogwash. Do be sure to eat enough protein and good fats, yes. But the rest is hogwash.

    Eat at a caloric deficit. That is all you need to do to lose weight.

    I have lost 32 lbs since January of this year and I do not, in any way, shape, or form, restrict or limit my carbs or sugars. Or potatoes. I often choose not to eat rice or pasta because usually I decide it is too many calories per serving, but if I want them, I eat them.

    My only rule for food is this: I have to love it enough to make it worth the calories I am going to spend on it. That's why I usually skip bread and pasta - I just don't love it enough to justify the calories. But if I wanted it, you bet your boots I would eat it.

    And I'd still lose weight.

    Make sure you are logging accurately - that's usually the culprit when weight loss is slow.
  • forgtmenot
    forgtmenot Posts: 860 Member
    DirrtyH wrote: »
    whmscll wrote: »
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    Muscle weighs the same as fat, it is just more dense.

    THANK YOU. Nothing drives me crazier than people who say muscle weighs more than fat. 1 lb of muscle and 1 lb of fat weigh the same. 1 lb. muscle is more dense, looks better, and ups your metabolism.

    Nothing drives me crazier than people who get upset when other people say muscle weighs more than fat. A pound of bowling ball and a pound of feathers weigh the same. So does a bowling ball weigh the same as a feather? AN EQUAL VOLUME of muscle weighs more than AN EQUAL VOLUME of fat.

    They didn't say an "equal volume", They said "muscle weighs more than fat" which is incorrect. Density and weight are two completely different things.
  • sandryc79
    sandryc79 Posts: 250 Member
    Hi, are you limiting your sugars from any source be it nutrition bar, smoothie component, fruit juice, soft drinks. Then you should not eat any carbs out of a box, cereal, oatmeal, crackers, cookies. Then, limit your potatoes, rice, and pasta. Center on good protein with lots of good fats and some veggies. I know what you are thinking. Fats? Yes. It has been proven time and time again that eating a high fat diet instead of a high carb, low fat diet will help you lose weight. Fats will help you keep satiated. Remember to keep in your calorie range. Good Luck

    Unless you have a metabolic disorder like insulin resistance, are diabetic or like to eat this way this advice doesn't really apply. Low carb is helpful to some but not "the one true way" for all. Ultimately most people do best with a calorie in calories out mentality. Healthy foods have other physical advantages other than just weight loss of course.
  • whmscll
    whmscll Posts: 2,255 Member
    Restricting grain-based carbs worked for me, but whole grain carbs are important to overall health. Reducing ADDED sugar is key. Eating "good" fats in moderation is key. I would never advocate a "high-fat" diet. Eating a variety of whole, fresh foods from all the major food groups while lowering allover calories and increasing activity/exercise is the path to healthy, long-term weight loss.
  • DirrtyH
    DirrtyH Posts: 664 Member
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    DirrtyH wrote: »
    whmscll wrote: »
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    Muscle weighs the same as fat, it is just more dense.

    THANK YOU. Nothing drives me crazier than people who say muscle weighs more than fat. 1 lb of muscle and 1 lb of fat weigh the same. 1 lb. muscle is more dense, looks better, and ups your metabolism.

    Nothing drives me crazier than people who get upset when other people say muscle weighs more than fat. A pound of bowling ball and a pound of feathers weigh the same. So does a bowling ball weigh the same as a feather? AN EQUAL VOLUME of muscle weighs more than AN EQUAL VOLUME of fat.

    They didn't say an "equal volume", They said "muscle weighs more than fat" which is incorrect. Density and weight are two completely different things.

    They didn't say it wasn't an equal volume either. I've never heard anyone say one pound of muscle weighs more than one pound of fat. So I guess we're at an impasse. It really doesn't matter - usually when people say "muscle weighs more than fat", it's completely irrelevant to the subject at hand anyway (as in this case.) I just don't get why people get so annoyed by it like it's an asinine thing to say - a square inch of muscle weighs more than a square inch of fat. Volume is implied. You can disagree, but the condescending way most people tend to disagree drives me up a wall.
  • tlh68
    tlh68 Posts: 25 Member
    I don't even look at those. I close it before it even registers in my brain because it discourages me also. I want to remain positive and continue this journey.
  • kristydi
    kristydi Posts: 781 Member
    edited May 2015
    That thing drives me nuts. I know I should ignore it, but it still manages to discourage me. My solution is to not close out my diary. If I don't push the button, I don't see the "in 5 weeks" message.
  • juggernaut1974
    juggernaut1974 Posts: 6,212 Member
    DirrtyH wrote: »
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    DirrtyH wrote: »
    whmscll wrote: »
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    Muscle weighs the same as fat, it is just more dense.

    THANK YOU. Nothing drives me crazier than people who say muscle weighs more than fat. 1 lb of muscle and 1 lb of fat weigh the same. 1 lb. muscle is more dense, looks better, and ups your metabolism.

    Nothing drives me crazier than people who get upset when other people say muscle weighs more than fat. A pound of bowling ball and a pound of feathers weigh the same. So does a bowling ball weigh the same as a feather? AN EQUAL VOLUME of muscle weighs more than AN EQUAL VOLUME of fat.

    They didn't say an "equal volume", They said "muscle weighs more than fat" which is incorrect. Density and weight are two completely different things.

    They didn't say it wasn't an equal volume either. I've never heard anyone say one pound of muscle weighs more than one pound of fat. So I guess we're at an impasse. It really doesn't matter - usually when people say "muscle weighs more than fat", it's completely irrelevant to the subject at hand anyway (as in this case.) I just don't get why people get so annoyed by it like it's an asinine thing to say - a square inch of muscle weighs more than a square inch of fat. Volume is implied. You can disagree, but the condescending way most people tend to disagree drives me up a wall.

    The 'muscle weighs more than fat' blah blah blah is annoying, but I think people who aren't interested in playing semantics games get what they're trying to say. The part I personally was calling out was the lunacy of implying OP was putting on muscle which was masking fat loss, whilst eating at a supposed caloric deficit and running (ie - no weight lifting).
  • erickirb
    erickirb Posts: 12,294 Member
    edited May 2015
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    DirrtyH wrote: »
    whmscll wrote: »
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    Muscle weighs the same as fat, it is just more dense.

    THANK YOU. Nothing drives me crazier than people who say muscle weighs more than fat. 1 lb of muscle and 1 lb of fat weigh the same. 1 lb. muscle is more dense, looks better, and ups your metabolism.

    Nothing drives me crazier than people who get upset when other people say muscle weighs more than fat. A pound of bowling ball and a pound of feathers weigh the same. So does a bowling ball weigh the same as a feather? AN EQUAL VOLUME of muscle weighs more than AN EQUAL VOLUME of fat.

    They didn't say an "equal volume", They said "muscle weighs more than fat" which is incorrect. Density and weight are two completely different things.

    when one says "muscle weighs more than fat" they are implying equal volumes and as such do not need to state in equal volumes.

    If your argument holds true, you and I weigh the same because 1 lb of you and 1lb of me weigh the same. That doesn't make sense at all.

    If I said fat has more calories than carbs that is true, 1 gram of fat has more cals than 1 gram of carbs, but your argument would say, wait a min. 1 cal of fat = 1 cal of carbs, which misses the point the person is trying to make.
  • Nuke_64
    Nuke_64 Posts: 406 Member
    Even though i know its unlikely, that 5 week look ahead gives me motivation if I was on target for the day, or reflection if I wasn't. I guess I'm alone on liking that feature.
  • forgtmenot
    forgtmenot Posts: 860 Member
    erickirb wrote: »
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    DirrtyH wrote: »
    whmscll wrote: »
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    Muscle weighs the same as fat, it is just more dense.

    THANK YOU. Nothing drives me crazier than people who say muscle weighs more than fat. 1 lb of muscle and 1 lb of fat weigh the same. 1 lb. muscle is more dense, looks better, and ups your metabolism.

    Nothing drives me crazier than people who get upset when other people say muscle weighs more than fat. A pound of bowling ball and a pound of feathers weigh the same. So does a bowling ball weigh the same as a feather? AN EQUAL VOLUME of muscle weighs more than AN EQUAL VOLUME of fat.

    They didn't say an "equal volume", They said "muscle weighs more than fat" which is incorrect. Density and weight are two completely different things.

    when one says "muscle weighs more than fat" they are implying equal volumes and as such do not need to state in equal volumes.

    If your argument holds true, you and I weigh the same because 1 lb of you and 1lb of me weigh the same. That doesn't make sense at all.

    If I said fat has more calories than carbs that is true, 1 gram of fat has more cals than 1 gram of carbs, but your argument would say, wait a min. 1 cal of fat = 1 cal of carbs, which misses the point the person is trying to make.

    Unless I'm 100% fat and you're 100% muscle, you're comparing apples to oranges here.
  • erickirb
    erickirb Posts: 12,294 Member
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    erickirb wrote: »
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    DirrtyH wrote: »
    whmscll wrote: »
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    Muscle weighs the same as fat, it is just more dense.

    THANK YOU. Nothing drives me crazier than people who say muscle weighs more than fat. 1 lb of muscle and 1 lb of fat weigh the same. 1 lb. muscle is more dense, looks better, and ups your metabolism.

    Nothing drives me crazier than people who get upset when other people say muscle weighs more than fat. A pound of bowling ball and a pound of feathers weigh the same. So does a bowling ball weigh the same as a feather? AN EQUAL VOLUME of muscle weighs more than AN EQUAL VOLUME of fat.

    They didn't say an "equal volume", They said "muscle weighs more than fat" which is incorrect. Density and weight are two completely different things.

    when one says "muscle weighs more than fat" they are implying equal volumes and as such do not need to state in equal volumes.

    If your argument holds true, you and I weigh the same because 1 lb of you and 1lb of me weigh the same. That doesn't make sense at all.

    If I said fat has more calories than carbs that is true, 1 gram of fat has more cals than 1 gram of carbs, but your argument would say, wait a min. 1 cal of fat = 1 cal of carbs, which misses the point the person is trying to make.

    Unless I'm 100% fat and you're 100% muscle, you're comparing apples to oranges here.

    Not apples to oranges, again if your argument holds true and I am 12% BF% and you are 20% that wouldn't matter since according to you fat and muscle weigh the same.
  • forgtmenot
    forgtmenot Posts: 860 Member
    erickirb wrote: »
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    erickirb wrote: »
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    DirrtyH wrote: »
    whmscll wrote: »
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    Muscle weighs the same as fat, it is just more dense.

    THANK YOU. Nothing drives me crazier than people who say muscle weighs more than fat. 1 lb of muscle and 1 lb of fat weigh the same. 1 lb. muscle is more dense, looks better, and ups your metabolism.

    Nothing drives me crazier than people who get upset when other people say muscle weighs more than fat. A pound of bowling ball and a pound of feathers weigh the same. So does a bowling ball weigh the same as a feather? AN EQUAL VOLUME of muscle weighs more than AN EQUAL VOLUME of fat.

    They didn't say an "equal volume", They said "muscle weighs more than fat" which is incorrect. Density and weight are two completely different things.

    when one says "muscle weighs more than fat" they are implying equal volumes and as such do not need to state in equal volumes.

    If your argument holds true, you and I weigh the same because 1 lb of you and 1lb of me weigh the same. That doesn't make sense at all.

    If I said fat has more calories than carbs that is true, 1 gram of fat has more cals than 1 gram of carbs, but your argument would say, wait a min. 1 cal of fat = 1 cal of carbs, which misses the point the person is trying to make.

    Unless I'm 100% fat and you're 100% muscle, you're comparing apples to oranges here.

    Not apples to oranges, again if your argument holds true and I am 12% BF% and you are 20% that wouldn't matter since according to you fat and muscle weigh the same.

    But muscle and fat themselves ARE 100% fat or 100% muscle. Neither you nor I are, so yes it is comparing apples and oranges... Or rather, it is more like comparing apples and apple pie.

  • TR0berts
    TR0berts Posts: 7,739 Member
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  • erickirb
    erickirb Posts: 12,294 Member
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    erickirb wrote: »
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    erickirb wrote: »
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    DirrtyH wrote: »
    whmscll wrote: »
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    Muscle weighs the same as fat, it is just more dense.

    THANK YOU. Nothing drives me crazier than people who say muscle weighs more than fat. 1 lb of muscle and 1 lb of fat weigh the same. 1 lb. muscle is more dense, looks better, and ups your metabolism.

    Nothing drives me crazier than people who get upset when other people say muscle weighs more than fat. A pound of bowling ball and a pound of feathers weigh the same. So does a bowling ball weigh the same as a feather? AN EQUAL VOLUME of muscle weighs more than AN EQUAL VOLUME of fat.

    They didn't say an "equal volume", They said "muscle weighs more than fat" which is incorrect. Density and weight are two completely different things.

    when one says "muscle weighs more than fat" they are implying equal volumes and as such do not need to state in equal volumes.

    If your argument holds true, you and I weigh the same because 1 lb of you and 1lb of me weigh the same. That doesn't make sense at all.

    If I said fat has more calories than carbs that is true, 1 gram of fat has more cals than 1 gram of carbs, but your argument would say, wait a min. 1 cal of fat = 1 cal of carbs, which misses the point the person is trying to make.

    Unless I'm 100% fat and you're 100% muscle, you're comparing apples to oranges here.

    Not apples to oranges, again if your argument holds true and I am 12% BF% and you are 20% that wouldn't matter since according to you fat and muscle weigh the same.

    But muscle and fat themselves ARE 100% fat or 100% muscle. Neither you nor I are, so yes it is comparing apples and oranges... Or rather, it is more like comparing apples and apple pie.

    But if they weigh the same what would it matter the %?

    In reality it does matter, you are just proving our point that muscle and fat do not weigh the same, otherwise BF% would not matter at all.

    another analogy would be to day butter has more calories than carrots, bring your argument here would then be that no, they have the same calories as 1 calorie of butter = 1 calorie of carrots.
  • wizzybeth
    wizzybeth Posts: 3,578 Member
    TR0berts wrote: »
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    Thank you

  • forgtmenot
    forgtmenot Posts: 860 Member
    edited May 2015
    erickirb wrote: »
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    erickirb wrote: »
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    erickirb wrote: »
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    DirrtyH wrote: »
    whmscll wrote: »
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    Muscle weighs the same as fat, it is just more dense.

    THANK YOU. Nothing drives me crazier than people who say muscle weighs more than fat. 1 lb of muscle and 1 lb of fat weigh the same. 1 lb. muscle is more dense, looks better, and ups your metabolism.

    Nothing drives me crazier than people who get upset when other people say muscle weighs more than fat. A pound of bowling ball and a pound of feathers weigh the same. So does a bowling ball weigh the same as a feather? AN EQUAL VOLUME of muscle weighs more than AN EQUAL VOLUME of fat.

    They didn't say an "equal volume", They said "muscle weighs more than fat" which is incorrect. Density and weight are two completely different things.

    when one says "muscle weighs more than fat" they are implying equal volumes and as such do not need to state in equal volumes.

    If your argument holds true, you and I weigh the same because 1 lb of you and 1lb of me weigh the same. That doesn't make sense at all.

    If I said fat has more calories than carbs that is true, 1 gram of fat has more cals than 1 gram of carbs, but your argument would say, wait a min. 1 cal of fat = 1 cal of carbs, which misses the point the person is trying to make.

    Unless I'm 100% fat and you're 100% muscle, you're comparing apples to oranges here.

    Not apples to oranges, again if your argument holds true and I am 12% BF% and you are 20% that wouldn't matter since according to you fat and muscle weigh the same.

    But muscle and fat themselves ARE 100% fat or 100% muscle. Neither you nor I are, so yes it is comparing apples and oranges... Or rather, it is more like comparing apples and apple pie.

    But if they weigh the same what would it matter the %?

    In reality it does matter, you are just proving our point that muscle and fat do not weigh the same, otherwise BF% would not matter at all.

    another analogy would be to day butter has more calories than carrots, bring your argument here would then be that no, they have the same calories as 1 calorie of butter = 1 calorie of carrots.
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  • erickirb
    erickirb Posts: 12,294 Member
    edited May 2015
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    erickirb wrote: »
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    erickirb wrote: »
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    erickirb wrote: »
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    DirrtyH wrote: »
    whmscll wrote: »
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    Muscle weighs the same as fat, it is just more dense.

    THANK YOU. Nothing drives me crazier than people who say muscle weighs more than fat. 1 lb of muscle and 1 lb of fat weigh the same. 1 lb. muscle is more dense, looks better, and ups your metabolism.

    Nothing drives me crazier than people who get upset when other people say muscle weighs more than fat. A pound of bowling ball and a pound of feathers weigh the same. So does a bowling ball weigh the same as a feather? AN EQUAL VOLUME of muscle weighs more than AN EQUAL VOLUME of fat.

    They didn't say an "equal volume", They said "muscle weighs more than fat" which is incorrect. Density and weight are two completely different things.

    when one says "muscle weighs more than fat" they are implying equal volumes and as such do not need to state in equal volumes.

    If your argument holds true, you and I weigh the same because 1 lb of you and 1lb of me weigh the same. That doesn't make sense at all.

    If I said fat has more calories than carbs that is true, 1 gram of fat has more cals than 1 gram of carbs, but your argument would say, wait a min. 1 cal of fat = 1 cal of carbs, which misses the point the person is trying to make.

    Unless I'm 100% fat and you're 100% muscle, you're comparing apples to oranges here.

    Not apples to oranges, again if your argument holds true and I am 12% BF% and you are 20% that wouldn't matter since according to you fat and muscle weigh the same.

    But muscle and fat themselves ARE 100% fat or 100% muscle. Neither you nor I are, so yes it is comparing apples and oranges... Or rather, it is more like comparing apples and apple pie.

    But if they weigh the same what would it matter the %?

    In reality it does matter, you are just proving our point that muscle and fat do not weigh the same, otherwise BF% would not matter at all.

    another analogy would be to day butter has more calories than carrots, bring your argument here would then be that no, they have the same calories as 1 calorie of butter = 1 calorie of carrots.
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    I think your first argument started with one!

    Hello pot meet kettle. And FYI if the weight of fat = weight of muscle then 0.4*fat+0.6x muscle would also = the same...

    I am happy you see the flaws in your earlier logic though, as your responses to my posts slammed that same logic.
  • ashypashy7
    ashypashy7 Posts: 50 Member
    My you should weight ____ in five weeks goes from 2lbs less to 24lbs less. It used to really stress me out so I would go back and add them all the average them all out. Some months I was close, others not. It's hard but so long as you have a long term trend of your weight going down, it's all good.

    Ps. When my scale isn't moving as much as it should for the deficit I am in, normally it's because I got slacker with my logging and food scale use, or I don't work out as much as I should have.
  • forgtmenot
    forgtmenot Posts: 860 Member
    edited May 2015
    erickirb wrote: »
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    erickirb wrote: »
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    erickirb wrote: »
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    erickirb wrote: »
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    DirrtyH wrote: »
    whmscll wrote: »
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    Muscle weighs the same as fat, it is just more dense.

    THANK YOU. Nothing drives me crazier than people who say muscle weighs more than fat. 1 lb of muscle and 1 lb of fat weigh the same. 1 lb. muscle is more dense, looks better, and ups your metabolism.

    Nothing drives me crazier than people who get upset when other people say muscle weighs more than fat. A pound of bowling ball and a pound of feathers weigh the same. So does a bowling ball weigh the same as a feather? AN EQUAL VOLUME of muscle weighs more than AN EQUAL VOLUME of fat.

    They didn't say an "equal volume", They said "muscle weighs more than fat" which is incorrect. Density and weight are two completely different things.

    when one says "muscle weighs more than fat" they are implying equal volumes and as such do not need to state in equal volumes.

    If your argument holds true, you and I weigh the same because 1 lb of you and 1lb of me weigh the same. That doesn't make sense at all.

    If I said fat has more calories than carbs that is true, 1 gram of fat has more cals than 1 gram of carbs, but your argument would say, wait a min. 1 cal of fat = 1 cal of carbs, which misses the point the person is trying to make.

    Unless I'm 100% fat and you're 100% muscle, you're comparing apples to oranges here.

    Not apples to oranges, again if your argument holds true and I am 12% BF% and you are 20% that wouldn't matter since according to you fat and muscle weigh the same.

    But muscle and fat themselves ARE 100% fat or 100% muscle. Neither you nor I are, so yes it is comparing apples and oranges... Or rather, it is more like comparing apples and apple pie.

    But if they weigh the same what would it matter the %?

    In reality it does matter, you are just proving our point that muscle and fat do not weigh the same, otherwise BF% would not matter at all.

    another analogy would be to day butter has more calories than carrots, bring your argument here would then be that no, they have the same calories as 1 calorie of butter = 1 calorie of carrots.
    xwotrzws9bpy.jpg


    I think your first argument started with one!

    Hello pot meet kettle. And FYI if the weight of fat = weight of muscle then 0.4*fat+0.6x muscle would also = the same...

    I am happy you see the flaws in your earlier logic though, as your responses to my posts slammed that same logic.

    Muscle and fat weigh the same amount, the difference is density. Because science. Period. The issue here is that in every argument you're making you're confusing weight and density. Weight and density are two different things. How much space something takes up has nothing to do with how much it weighs.
  • r0gu3
    r0gu3 Posts: 22 Member
    Wow..a lot info to digest here! (heh heh...rib rib)
    But, yes. Good points to consider. I may have actually put on muscle. Thanks, all!
  • erickirb
    erickirb Posts: 12,294 Member
    edited May 2015
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    erickirb wrote: »
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    erickirb wrote: »
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    erickirb wrote: »
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    erickirb wrote: »
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    DirrtyH wrote: »
    whmscll wrote: »
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    Muscle weighs the same as fat, it is just more dense.

    THANK YOU. Nothing drives me crazier than people who say muscle weighs more than fat. 1 lb of muscle and 1 lb of fat weigh the same. 1 lb. muscle is more dense, looks better, and ups your metabolism.

    Nothing drives me crazier than people who get upset when other people say muscle weighs more than fat. A pound of bowling ball and a pound of feathers weigh the same. So does a bowling ball weigh the same as a feather? AN EQUAL VOLUME of muscle weighs more than AN EQUAL VOLUME of fat.

    They didn't say an "equal volume", They said "muscle weighs more than fat" which is incorrect. Density and weight are two completely different things.

    when one says "muscle weighs more than fat" they are implying equal volumes and as such do not need to state in equal volumes.

    If your argument holds true, you and I weigh the same because 1 lb of you and 1lb of me weigh the same. That doesn't make sense at all.

    If I said fat has more calories than carbs that is true, 1 gram of fat has more cals than 1 gram of carbs, but your argument would say, wait a min. 1 cal of fat = 1 cal of carbs, which misses the point the person is trying to make.

    Unless I'm 100% fat and you're 100% muscle, you're comparing apples to oranges here.

    Not apples to oranges, again if your argument holds true and I am 12% BF% and you are 20% that wouldn't matter since according to you fat and muscle weigh the same.

    But muscle and fat themselves ARE 100% fat or 100% muscle. Neither you nor I are, so yes it is comparing apples and oranges... Or rather, it is more like comparing apples and apple pie.

    But if they weigh the same what would it matter the %?

    In reality it does matter, you are just proving our point that muscle and fat do not weigh the same, otherwise BF% would not matter at all.

    another analogy would be to day butter has more calories than carrots, bring your argument here would then be that no, they have the same calories as 1 calorie of butter = 1 calorie of carrots.
    xwotrzws9bpy.jpg


    I think your first argument started with one!

    Hello pot meet kettle. And FYI if the weight of fat = weight of muscle then 0.4*fat+0.6x muscle would also = the same...

    I am happy you see the flaws in your earlier logic though, as your responses to my posts slammed that same logic.

    Muscle and fat weigh the same amount, the difference is density. Because science. Period. The issue here is that in every argument you're making you're confusing weight and density. Weight and density are two different things. How much space something takes up has nothing to do with how much it weighs.

    You built the straw man when you put the assumption that the person saying muscle weigh more than fat, meant 1 lb of muscle weighs more than 1lb of fat, why would you assume someone meant that?

    I am not missing that point, I am poking holes in your argument that muscle and fat weight the same, if that is the case than you and I weight the same because 1 lb of you weighs the same as 1 lb of me. Your argument would lead to that conclusion, but because we are different densities, and mass, and make up (muscle, fat, water) we do not weigh the same even though 1 lb of you weighs the same as 1 lb of me....

    You miss the point where volume is implied, because muscle is more dense it weighs more than fat if both are weighed on earth and in equal volumes. And this means muscle weighs more than fat!
  • gotolam
    gotolam Posts: 262 Member
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    erickirb wrote: »
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    erickirb wrote: »
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    erickirb wrote: »
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    DirrtyH wrote: »
    whmscll wrote: »
    forgtmenot wrote: »
    Muscle weighs the same as fat, it is just more dense.

    THANK YOU. Nothing drives me crazier than people who say muscle weighs more than fat. 1 lb of muscle and 1 lb of fat weigh the same. 1 lb. muscle is more dense, looks better, and ups your metabolism.

    Nothing drives me crazier than people who get upset when other people say muscle weighs more than fat. A pound of bowling ball and a pound of feathers weigh the same. So does a bowling ball weigh the same as a feather? AN EQUAL VOLUME of muscle weighs more than AN EQUAL VOLUME of fat.

    They didn't say an "equal volume", They said "muscle weighs more than fat" which is incorrect. Density and weight are two completely different things.

    when one says "muscle weighs more than fat" they are implying equal volumes and as such do not need to state in equal volumes.

    If your argument holds true, you and I weigh the same because 1 lb of you and 1lb of me weigh the same. That doesn't make sense at all.

    If I said fat has more calories than carbs that is true, 1 gram of fat has more cals than 1 gram of carbs, but your argument would say, wait a min. 1 cal of fat = 1 cal of carbs, which misses the point the person is trying to make.

    Unless I'm 100% fat and you're 100% muscle, you're comparing apples to oranges here.

    Not apples to oranges, again if your argument holds true and I am 12% BF% and you are 20% that wouldn't matter since according to you fat and muscle weigh the same.

    But muscle and fat themselves ARE 100% fat or 100% muscle. Neither you nor I are, so yes it is comparing apples and oranges... Or rather, it is more like comparing apples and apple pie.

    But if they weigh the same what would it matter the %?

    In reality it does matter, you are just proving our point that muscle and fat do not weigh the same, otherwise BF% would not matter at all.

    another analogy would be to day butter has more calories than carrots, bring your argument here would then be that no, they have the same calories as 1 calorie of butter = 1 calorie of carrots.
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    Memes....for when your argument fails.

    Your assignment for today is to construct a sentence using the word "heavier" based on the logic that muscle is not heavier than fat. If you can do that, then I will concede that you are right. Otherwise, GTFO with semantics.
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